Operation fix Robin is underway.

billytheman1188 · 07-16-2013, 09:40 PM

Started tearing her down today. I need to take the front header off so i can change that donut. Which means i need to drop the radiator in order to get the bottom bolts. The way S&S designed these headers really doesn't help matter either. The bottom right bolt is a B*TCH. 90 degrees all week too so it sucks but it needs to be done. After i take care of the header i'll throw some new plug wires on her and maybe some new plugs. Hopefully this fixes my problem.

jawa · 07-16-2013, 10:25 PM

need to donate dem headers

tw0123 · 07-16-2013, 10:25 PM

good luck man... keep lots of water around and don't rush...

sleepyalero · 07-16-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jawa

need to donate dem headers

Jawa always wantin free shit.

Redog · 07-17-2013, 12:57 AM

Header studs FTW!!

Jawa, why don't you just buy headers, if you don't have money, you shouldn't be buying stuff

jawa · 07-17-2013, 07:27 AM

i do have the money, im just waiting on a set S&S headers to pop up some where,
i almost bought a set of pacesetters yesterday but ive heard they rust rather quickly,

jawa · 07-17-2013, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

Jawa always wantin free shit.

you want to donate too saweeeet
lmfao

sleepyalero · 07-17-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jawa

i do have the money, im just waiting on a set S&S headers to pop up some where,
i almost bought a set of pacesetters yesterday but ive heard they rust rather quickly,

Had mind for about 4 years now

billytheman1188 · 07-17-2013, 04:22 PM

Go with milzy or wot headers. Milzy has some nice ones and they are a lot easier to put on/take off than s&s. just got the header off 30 min ago. I was able to get the bottom right bolt off the header pretty easy so i was happy about that. The bolts holding the two headers together aren't in the best shape so new bolts and lock nuts for them along with loctite. Don't want them loosening up on me. The donut is in bad condition so i gotta find a new one of those. Idk if i should order a new header gasket or not....this one isn't too bad but its been on and off the car several times and is a little twisted. New plug wires and sparkplugs too while i'm at it.

sleepyalero · 07-17-2013, 04:28 PM

Milzy has really nice ones, i plan to upgrade one day. Also i dont think ben even has headers available for the 3400 still. Unless you pay to order? Im not sure.

As for gaskets, are they metal? Usually you can reuse them if they still in good shape.

billytheman1188 · 07-17-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

Milzy has really nice ones, i plan to upgrade one day. Also i dont think ben even has headers available for the 3400 still. Unless you pay to order? Im not sure.

As for gaskets, are they metal? Usually you can reuse them if they still in good shape.

Ah idk about ben...haven't checked his site in a while. The gasket is metal...it's a pretty nice gasket i just didn't wanna take a chance using it again and then it leaks lol. I don't wanna take these headers (or header) off until i swap in my built engine/tranny. Idk i'm just being overly cautious

sleepyalero · 07-17-2013, 05:21 PM

What trans are you going with?

You should be okay as long as its not to far gone id assume

Also, only headers i see on his site are pacesetter.

07-17-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

Milzy has really nice ones. Also i dont think ben even has headers available for the 3400 still.

Milzy's are very nice, but you pay for it.
Ben was going to make headers years ago, and I prepaid for a set at a discounted price to help get the project off the ground (he only took 2 pre-orders). After waiting 2 years, I cancelled the order and got a refund. I'm certain they would have been nice (good stuff comes from Ben also), but I just couldn't wait on a job that always seemed to be on the back burner.

AleroB888 · 07-17-2013, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mfuller

Milzy's are very nice, but you pay for it.
Ben was going to make headers years ago, and I prepaid for a set at a discounted price to help get the project off the ground (he only took 2 pre-orders). After waiting 2 years, I cancelled the order and got a refund. I'm certain they would have been nice (good stuff comes from Ben also), but I just couldn't wait on a job that always seemed to be on the back burner.

Don't feel bad, both Ben and Milzy turned down my request for a custom header project. Headers must be irritating to fabricate...

Or else they just thought I was nutz

sleepyalero · 07-17-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AleroB888

Don't feel bad, both Ben and Milzy turned down my request for a custom header project. Headers must be irritating to fabricate...

Or else they just thought I was nutz

How long ago did you ask? I wonder if milzy would now. Probably wouldnt be cheap, his set now is almost 1000$

billytheman1188 · 07-17-2013, 08:40 PM

I paid about the same amount that milzy is charging for theirs. Milzy also gets the BEST ceramic coating. I know eventually the coating wears off but hey....i wanna know i had the best i could get on a 1000 part. Headers were DEF one of my favorite mods. I saw a set of milzys and they looked nice. Had a nice little gap to get the ratchet in there and put the bolts in. Nice bends..... so yea you get what you pay for. $900-$1000 is def a lot for just headers but our market is limited and at least someone is making them! lol.

sleepyalero · 07-17-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by billytheman1188

I paid about the same amount that milzy is charging for theirs. Milzy also gets the BEST ceramic coating. I know eventually the coating wears off but hey....i wanna know i had the best i could get on a 1000 part. Headers were DEF one of my favorite mods. I saw a set of milzys and they looked nice. Had a nice little gap to get the ratchet in there and put the bolts in. Nice bends..... so yea you get what you pay for. $900-$1000 is def a lot for just headers but our market is limited and at least someone is making them! lol.

Oh yeah believe me, ive been to his shop a few times though, they are really effin nice.

AleroB888 · 07-17-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

How long ago did you ask? I wonder if milzy would now. Probably wouldnt be cheap, his set now is almost 1000$

No, they are too busy with the regular products, mine was a one-off custom idea that was kind of iffy, so can't blame them

billytheman1188 · 07-17-2013, 09:19 PM

Oh btw sleepy....i plan on going with a built 4t45 or maybe something else? IDK....i do know i want auto but it would be kind of cool to do a 6 speed auto....lots of moolah though. Would rather just put that money into a 45....COMPLETE build....in the future when i have the money like i used to i'll buy a high mileage tranny....send it to milzy and let him do what he does. That wont be until i already have a built 3500 sitting in my garage though

I can't wait for the day when i'm satisfied with my car. lol.

sleepyalero · 07-17-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by billytheman1188

Oh btw sleepy....i plan on going with a built 4t45 or maybe something else? IDK....i do know i want auto but it would be kind of cool to do a 6 speed auto....lots of moolah though. Would rather just put that money into a 45....COMPLETE build....in the future when i have the money like i used to i'll buy a high mileage tranny....send it to milzy and let him do what he does. That wont be until i already have a built 3500 sitting in my garage though

I can't wait for the day when i'm satisfied with my car. lol.

I dont think milzy offers much for building options on the 4t45.... Why not this route?

I thought about this before the 6 speed.

http://www.importperformancetrans.co...sion-4311.html

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