Manual Tranny For 3.4

Alright, let's not get into too much of an argument.

[SilverBullet256]

i know the ones with the 3100, but what car exactly can i look for?

My friend's 03 Malibu has the 3100 in it.

older cavilers and the berettas are what you are looking for

[-Alero-]

from what i just read, i have no idea what you just meant.... sry

[Cliff8928]

Originally posted by sc/alero@Apr 26 2005, 07:06 AM
the four cyl will not bolt up.
you need the 282 but off of the 3100's it bolts right up but custom made brkts and what not will have to be made

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The 4-cylinder transmission WILL bolt up... as long as it's a pushrod 4-cyl. any SOHC/DOHC 4-cyl has a different bellhousing.

I've interchanged transmissions between the 4 and 6 cylinder engines before.

NO 3rd generation 60°V6 ever came with a manual transmission. However the bellhousing pattern is just a standard corporate "small" design. that they used on engines like the 2.0/2.2/2.5/2.8/3.0/3.3/3.4/3.8 liter engines. ones that guaranteed will NOT work are from the 2.3 "Quad" and the 2.4 "Twin Cam", the 1.8 & 2.0 SOHC and any "Ecotec" engine.

the G6 GTP is the first FWD 60°V6 to use a manual since 1994.

[Cliff8928]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Apr 26 2005, 04:39 PM
does anyone know what cars the 282 came in?

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ANY GM transverse mount pushrod V6 5-speed car 1987-1994

[Cliff8928]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Apr 25 2005, 10:11 PM
are you sure they will bolt right on to the same engine we have, does your beretta have the 3400 drop in?, cause im sure john looked into that and he just ended uo having to make all his own custom parts, but i could be horribly wrong, cause if this is the case then im soon to have a manual transmission

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Well, my 3400 came out of a '99 Alero... The only issue with mounting a manual in the Alero is mounting the transmission to the frame structure. That's why i suggested the 287, because that transmission was offered in the Alero, you'd just need the one from a 2000-2002 J-Body with a 2200 4-cylinder. Then you would just have to get all the mountings off of a 5-speed Alero.

[-Alero-]

wow cliff thats good info to know, how much do you think the 287 tranny would cost? and the j-bodies were what cars again? and the 2200 is called the 2200 for sure? and on all the alero 5 speed mounts, i forget if the 2.4 and the ecotech manuals had different brackets?

[Cliff8928]

Well, I can't say for sure wether or not the brackets are welded in the same on the automatics and manuals. Most likely they are not, however if you find a 5-speed alero in a salvage yard, you can just have the brackets cut out of the car and welded into yours.

The 2200 is the standard equipment 2.2 liter engine in the Cavalier and Sunfire. and the 287 was only used in 2000-2002 on those (it's pretty easy to tell apart from the Isuzu, it says "Getrag" right on it if i remember correctly)

The only other issue would be finding out how to make the clutch work. (which pressure plate and clutch disc to use). You pretty much only have one flywheel choice which was used on the 87-94 FWD V6s.

[-Alero-]

as long as they make a dual friction clutch i'd be happy

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by Cliff8928+Apr 26 2005, 09:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cliff8928 @ Apr 26 2005, 09:32 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-SilverBullet256@Apr 26 2005, 04:39 PM
does anyone know what cars the 282 came in?

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ANY GM transverse mount pushrod V6 5-speed car 1987-1994

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and 2.3 manual equiped vehicles from ~88-94, its not specific to the V6, its actually legendary amongst the four banger crowd.

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by Cliff8928+Apr 26 2005, 09:35 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cliff8928 @ Apr 26 2005, 09:35 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-SilverBullet256@Apr 25 2005, 10:11 PM
are you sure they will bolt right on to the same engine we have, does your beretta have the 3400 drop in?, cause im sure john looked into that and he just ended uo having to make all his own custom parts, but i could be horribly wrong, cause if this is the case then im soon to have a manual transmission

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Well, my 3400 came out of a '99 Alero... The only issue with mounting a manual in the Alero is mounting the transmission to the frame structure. That's why i suggested the 287, because that transmission was offered in the Alero, you'd just need the one from a 2000-2002 J-Body with a 2200 4-cylinder. Then you would just have to get all the mountings off of a 5-speed Alero.

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Every 4 banger, the 2.2 and the 2.4 came with the getrag. Are you sure you know what your talking about?

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by Cliff8928@Apr 26 2005, 09:50 PM
The 2200 is the standard equipment 2.2 liter engine in the Cavalier and Sunfire. and the 287 was only used in 2000-2002 on those (it's pretty easy to tell apart from the Isuzu, it says "Getrag" right on it if i remember correctly)

The only other issue would be finding out how to make the clutch work. (which pressure plate and clutch disc to use). You pretty much only have one flywheel choice which was used on the 87-94 FWD V6s.

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YOu are correct the 287 says getrag right on it.

The 2.2 was the standard SOHC from 95-97 so they only came with the isuzu tranny the 2200 is the standard SOHC from 98 on. So they came with both trannies, depending on year. the ECO is also refered to as a 2.2 from 02 on and comes with a getrag if I'm not mistaken. The mopar 2.4 also came with a getrag 287 in at least one year.

The clutch is one issue what about the linkages, shifter and clutch, the pre-91 trannies had an internal slave and the 91 and up have an external. Just a few other issues.

you are also going to have to do the programing in the ECM as well

[Cliff8928]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie+Apr 26 2005, 11:55 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fast Eddie @ Apr 26 2005, 11:55 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

ANY GM transverse mount pushrod V6 5-speed car 1987-1994

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and 2.3 manual equiped vehicles from ~88-94, its not specific to the V6, its actually legendary amongst the four banger crowd.

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The V6 one is however the only one that will fit the 3400 in question. So the 4-cylinder version would not be the one that the person who started this topic would want to be looking for.

[Cliff8928]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie+Apr 26 2005, 11:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fast Eddie @ Apr 26 2005, 11:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Well, my 3400 came out of a '99 Alero... The only issue with mounting a manual in the Alero is mounting the transmission to the frame structure. That's why i suggested the 287, because that transmission was offered in the Alero, you'd just need the one from a 2000-2002 J-Body with a 2200 4-cylinder. Then you would just have to get all the mountings off of a 5-speed Alero.

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Every 4 banger, the 2.2 and the 2.4 came with the getrag. Are you sure you know what your talking about?

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Again, the 2.2's transmission will bolt to the 3400, the 2.4's will not.

[Cliff8928]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie+Apr 27 2005, 12:10 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fast Eddie @ Apr 27 2005, 12:10 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Cliff8928@Apr 26 2005, 09:50 PM
The 2200 is the standard equipment 2.2 liter engine in the Cavalier and Sunfire. and the 287 was only used in 2000-2002 on those (it's pretty easy to tell apart from the Isuzu, it says "Getrag" right on it if i remember correctly)

The only other issue would be finding out how to make the clutch work. (which pressure plate and clutch disc to use).Â;-) You pretty much only have one flywheel choice which was used on the 87-94 FWD V6s.

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YOu are correct the 287 says getrag right on it.

The 2.2 was the standard SOHC from 95-97 so they only came with the isuzu tranny the 2200 is the standard SOHC from 98 on. So they came with both trannies, depending on year. the ECO is also refered to as a 2.2 from 02 on and comes with a getrag if I'm not mistaken. The mopar 2.4 also came with a getrag 287 in at least one year.

The clutch is one issue what about the linkages, shifter and clutch, the pre-91 trannies had an internal slave and the 91 and up have an external. Just a few other issues.

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the 2.2 and the 2200 are not SOHC, they have the good old cam in the block, lifters, pushrods, and rocker arms. and again for relevance, the 2200 engine in 2000-2002 is the only one with a 287 that will bolt onto a 3400.

And if someone were doing the swap with a 287, the clutch would be the only issue with fitment, the rest of the parts (the linkages, shifter, etc..) would just come from a 5-soeed alero.

[Fast Eddie]

They are more likely to be found in the j-bods but if you did find one out of or in, an N-bod you are going to have the whole PCM issue. ANd you cannot just swap that since its going to be from a 4-cyl.

[-Alero-]

ok thats why he said the v6 manual tranny