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Old 11-24-2004, 02:31 AM   #61
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"We offer payment plans with $1K deposit" Uh....I thought it only cost $995. What's on the payment plan? Shipping? lol

"THIS HIGH FLOW 350 CFM PROTOTYPE ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGER.........THIS UNIT DRAWS 255 AMPS @ 24V (5000 WATTS)....YOU WILL GAIN 20-35 HP"
According to the article at 60DegreeV6 I posted up eariler your going to need 745.70-watts to make 1-hp. So with "5000 WATTS" here I get 6.7-hp, not 20-35. Dunno maybe I'm missing something here.

This sc is a roots type charger, when it's not engaged which will be a majority of the time, do the rotors just sit there creating a major restriction in your intake?
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Old 11-24-2004, 02:35 AM   #62
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ok so yea.... the batteries in the pic are 12lbs each X 6 - 35 (using two of the six to replace the stock battery) and you have 37lbs, 10 for cables, 42 for s/c.... 89lbs total. and you have a fairly even distrobution of the added weight.

good questions, questions i'd also like answered, hopefully he shows up.
k so you take out your primary battery and replace it with these six.....you go to a 15-second shot and drain the batteries.....you accidently or for some reason your car shuts off....now your screwed cause your batteries are dead. But can you replace it with these six???? I think I read somewhere that they are wired up to be 24-volts, not 12-volts of the car. Man talk about really melting your headling harness. :P

Edit: yep can't remove the car battery and use the sc batts for the car, "The stock battery will be replaced by a high output battery, and the additional batteries will supply the higher voltage necessary to run the ESC." They just recommend switching to an Odyssey battery for your car to save some weight over other batteries.
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Old 11-24-2004, 02:58 AM   #63
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I don't get this intake either. Is there another pipe I'm not seeing??? If the BLUE line/arrow indicates incoming air to the sc and the yellow lines/arrows indicate supercharged air going to the engine (and back to the filter), isn't it just defeating the purpose of the whole system? Bad explanation, but I hope you get what I'm saying.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:31 AM   #64
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Originally posted by Grouch+Nov 24 2004, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Grouch @ Nov 24 2004, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FormulaNERD@Nov 24 2004, 01:07 AM
ok so yea.... the batteries in the pic are 12lbs each X 6 - 35 (using two of the six to replace the stock battery) and you have 37lbs, 10 for cables, 42 for s/c.... 89lbs total. and you have a fairly even distrobution of the added weight.

good questions, questions i'd also like answered, hopefully he shows up.
k so you take out your primary battery and replace it with these six.....you go to a 15-second shot and drain the batteries.....you accidently or for some reason your car shuts off....now your screwed cause your batteries are dead. But can you replace it with these six???? I think I read somewhere that they are wired up to be 24-volts, not 12-volts of the car. Man talk about really melting your headling harness. :P

Edit: yep can't remove the car battery and use the sc batts for the car, "The stock battery will be replaced by a high output battery, and the additional batteries will supply the higher voltage necessary to run the ESC." They just recommend switching to an Odyssey battery for your car to save some weight over other batteries. [/b][/quote]
the batteries are seperated, i think he has 8 total, 6 for the esc, and the other two for the car.

the motors for the esc take the 24v (and 36v in some of his models), and the batteries are wired directly into the motors, NOT your vehicles electric system.

he also said in another thread that he did swap his battery for two oddessy's. i'm not sure where you got your info, or if he's using different batteries than the ones powering the s/c, but i was under teh impression that they were the same.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:39 AM   #65
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"We offer payment plans with $1K deposit" Uh....I thought it only cost $995. What's on the payment plan? Shipping? lol

"THIS HIGH FLOW 350 CFM PROTOTYPE ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGER.........THIS UNIT DRAWS 255 AMPS @ 24V (5000 WATTS)....YOU WILL GAIN 20-35 HP"
According to the article at 60DegreeV6 I posted up eariler your going to need 745.70-watts to make 1-hp. So with "5000 WATTS" here I get 6.7-hp, not 20-35. Dunno maybe I'm missing something here.

This sc is a roots type charger, when it's not engaged which will be a majority of the time, do the rotors just sit there creating a major restriction in your intake?
ok, they have several different systems. from $ 995-2000+. ranging from eaton blowers to centrifugal design.... the down payment starts at 500 and increases in 500$ increments, the price at the time of your downpayment stays the same, even if the price of the unit goes up afterwards.

you're right, your numbers are correct. the electrical system draw is 6.7 hp. and the motors that run the charger put out 6.7hp to spool it up. i just dont see how you think this directly relates to car engine output?? maybe you were under the impression that the electrical system draw is going to equal the amount of boost you get from it? doesnt make sense to me.

when the blower isnt engaged it's completely bypassed, i dont know/understand the plumbing completely but the filter on top is kinda like WAI when the s/c isnt engaged.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:48 PM   #66
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I'm guessing he has a large check valve on the intake because its hooked into the outlet of the sc in the pic
the inlet feeds off the fenderwell it looks like.

as for free power. do you people not realize that the alternator draws power and a larger alternator will draw more power?
yes maybe not as much as a regular sc but it still draws power.

what is he using for motors?
they look like starter motors and I can tell you that even in those short burst your not going to get a high life span out of the motors.
using 3 motors also causes a problem
there is no possible way to ballence even 2 motors exactly alike so you have 3 constantly working against each other.
also a eaton m62 in full dress for our car weighs over 40 lbs. strap 3 motors to the front of it and the weight will jump more
I'd belive closer to 60-75 lbs for an electric sc head unit on our car. plus batteries and such.

another thing not addressd is fuel
with added air you need added fuel. how is he going about this?

for what this thing is doing its on the same level with nitrous not superchargers.
and you can gian more power in a smaller, cleaner, ligter packege with nitrous.

like he says if its not for you then its not for you.
personally mine will stay belt driven
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wouldn't a 12v alternator have problems charging 24v batteries? i guess he includes a transformer.....

also, are the prices of those batteries included in his "995-2000"? probably not, the price just went up another 800 or so. so now your all said and done, for $2000 at least, +220 for a H.O. alternator(thats only 160amps btw)....and what else do you need to install it?

and like someone said, how long will those 3 motors last? guess it depends on how often you use them. but i see ramming huge amounts of air down the intake with the push of a button a problem...

id go with intake, exhaust, headers, underdrive pulley, dhp for right around $1400, that will put you in the mid to high 14's. and about the most hp you want to use for our engine/trans setup, but its constant relieable power. dont have to worry about to much or not enough gas, blowing some crap up. and if thats still not enough power, cams will becoming out eventually, pretty soon actually, get some heads, cams, tb, and you should see a pretty low 14 to a mid 14.

plus, all that weight in the trunk? my ass end already sits lower than the front, i guess the front stays the same, - the battery + the charger.

the alero isn't a "drag racer" car, thats one of the oddest things ive heard in a while, ya i want to give mine some more grunt, but if i wanted a drag racer there are plenty of cars for the same price that are alot faster, like a early style f-body...not trying to change the subject.

1 thing too...you guys are saying, ok, after a 15 second burst, it takes 2.5 minutes. 1, you cant use these things from a dead stop i wouldn't think, you'll blow some crap up. so you hit it at say 30mph, it wouldn't take 10 seconds to hit your limiter, so you have 5seconds of boost while your doing 110+ (if your chipped) so you cant really go any faster, but the system is charging.
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:49 AM   #68
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The so called Electric Supercharger only includes a blower and that is it, no wiring harness, no batteries. I cant seem to find where you can actaully buy the batteries or any real info on the system or costs on the 6 batteries needed to run the system.

Some Faq quotes from the Thomas Knight Site. All negatives.

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What do you have to make to install the unit?

1) Three mounts to support it--1" x 1/8" thick steel sections with holes every 2" are available at Home Depot and hardware stores. You cut and bend three pieces to hold the ESC and bolt them in place. 2) Most people already have a cold air kit, so you may have to shorten part of the cold air pipe and connect it to the ESC discharge. 3) Attach your cold air kit's air filter onto the ESC inlet. 4) Mount the BOV, check valve, and optional in-line fuel injector (you can use an FMU instead). You are now done mounting the ESC. All that's left is mounting the batteries and running cables, just like a high end stereo system.

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I have a stock alternator. How long will recharging take?

For vehicles with stock alternators rated to 90 amps or less, we recommend either upgrading to a 200+ amp unit, or simply recharging your battery bank at home. If you decide to go with a high-output alternator, your batteries will recharge after several minutes of driving.

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What does the ESCâ„¢ sound like? Is it loud?

Yes. It is loud like a large vacuum cleaner at the local gas station. You can hear it from several hundred feet away. The sound is what you would expect from three powerful eletric motors and a positive displacement supercharger. If the air filter is placed a long distance away from the ESC there is virtually no noise at all.
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so buy one and experience it yourself rather than argueing about it.... ull either prove your point or look like an ass... all for only a G...
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so buy one and experience it yourself rather than argueing about it.... ull either prove your point or look like an ass... all for only a G...
All you get is the Blower for 1,000 nothing else that what I was saying I never made a comment about the product itself. Just pinting out the facts nothing more nothing less.
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lol i wasnt referring to you directly, its more of a general statement
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:32 PM   #72
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From reading this thread, page by page, I see no real advantage of this kit. You're dropping your battery weight, but then adding the blower, all components, and all the extras batteries which weighs down the car's ability to even be able to fully utilize the power given from the blower. IMO, the only thing you'll gain from those 15 seconds is the "hit" that originally came from the 170 which was lost after adding all that extra luggage. True, this would be good for dragging, in terms of gutting the interior for weight reduction and applying a well-balanced weight ratio between the engine and the batteries in the back. But on a daily driver, this is completely worthless. Go the old fashion route and tweak the engine. More batteries, more wires, more chances to blow your car the F up. MY 2 LINCOLNS
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GEOFF KNIGHT HERE--FINALLY GOT THE ACCOUNT TO WORK. THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS AND I HAVE THE ANSWERS, BUT I WILL SKIP MOST QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY PERTAIN TO OUR ORIGINAL UNIT WITH THE EATON SUPERCHARGER. WHILE THAT MODEL 400 & 550 ARE STILL AVAILABLE, OUR LATEST VERSION IS BETTER SUITED FOR STOCK ENGINES AND MAKES 5-6 PSI BOOST. HERE IS THAT INFO:
Â;-) HERE ARE SOME PICS AND INFO ON THE NEWEST DESIGN
ESC-250C, ESC-350CÂ;-)AND ESC-650C, OFFERED IN THREE BOOST LEVELS:
HERE ARE THE MODELS AND THE DISCOUNTED INTRODUCTORY PRICING. RETAIL IS 25% HIGHER.
CL--LOW BOOST (2-3 PSI--$595) AVAILABLE NOW
CM--MEDIUM BOOST (5-6 PSI--$995) AVAILABLE NOW
CH--HIGH BOOST (6-12 PSI--$1495) AVAILABLE JAN, 05
Â;-)
THOMAS KNIGHT ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGERS HAS RELEASED OUR NEWEST DESIGN OF LOW AND MEDIUM BOOST ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGERS. THESE SUPERCHARGERS ARE CUSTOM-BUILT TO ORDER BASED ON ENGINE SIZE. USING A COMBINATION OF HYBRID CENTRIFUGAL SUPERCHARGER COMPONENTS COMBINED WITH OUR HIGH OUTPUT MOTORS WE HAVE DESIGNED THESE FORÂ;-)PERFORMANCE ENTHUSIASTSÂ;-)ON A BUDGET AS WELL AS THOSE WANTING INCREDIBLE AND RELIABLE PERFORMANCE FROM STOCK ENGINES. HP IS INCREASED AT A RATE OF 8-15 HP FOR EACH PSI BOOST YOU RUN.
EXAMPLE: A 140HP 2000CC 4-CYL RUNNING 2-3 PSI WILL MAKE AN EXTRA
20-40HP, AND AT 5-6 PSI MAKE AN EXTRA 50-90HP.
Â;-) THE ESC-350CL AND ESC-650CL LOW BOOST MODELS ARE 2-3 PSI CENTRIFUGAL SUPERCHARGERS. THE 350 IS FOR SMALLER 4-CYL UP TOÂ;-)2.5 AND THE 650 IS FOR ENGINES UP TO 5.0. THESE AREÂ;-)DESIGNED FOR SIMPLE INSTALLATION AND WILL NOT REQUIRE UPGRADING THE FUEL SYSTEM OR ALTERNATOR. STARTING AT $495 FOR THE SUPERCHARGER BY ITSELF, A COMPLETE SYSTEM CAN BE BUILT FOR UNDER $1000.Â;-)AÂ;-)GOOD BATTERY, BATTERYÂ;-)CABLES, ETC ARE A MUST.Â;-)SIMPLE FMU, BOOST GAUGE, ETC IS NEEDED.
Â;-) THE ESC-250CM, 350CM AND 650CM (MEDIUM BOOST) ARE 5-6 PSI ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGERS DESIGNEDÂ;-)TO BE RUN SAFELY ONÂ;-)STOCK ENGINES. THE 250CM IS FOR 2.0 AND SMALLER ENGINES, THE 350 IS FOR ENGINES FROM 1.8 UP TO 2.8, AND THE 650 IS FOR ENGINES UP TOÂ;-)5.0. A PAIR OFÂ;-)EXTRA BATTERIES, A MULTI-FARAD CAPACITOR,Â;-)AND 12/24 SWITCH ISÂ;-)WHAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.Â;-) GOOD BATTERY CABLES, ETC ARE A MUST. THEÂ;-)FUEL SYSTEM CAN CONSIST OF AN FMU, OR AN ADDITIONAL INJECTOR.
Â;-) THE ESC-350CH AND ESC-650CH HIGH BOOST VERSIONS MAKE UP TO 12 PSI, AND ARE SPECIAL ORDER ONLY. THE ENGINE SHOULD BE PREPARED WITH FORGED INTERNALS, AND AN UPGRADED FUEL SYSTEM.Â;-)THE HIGH BOOST UNITSÂ;-)ARE $1495 FOR THE BLOWER BY ITSELF. THESE MORE POWERFUL UNITS DRAW MORE THAN DOUBLE THE CURRENTÂ;-)OF THE LOW AND MEDIUM BOOST VERSIONS, SO BUYERS SHOULD HAVE LARGE HIGH-OUTPUT BATTERIES, AND A 200+ AMP ALTERNATOR IN THE VEHICLE TO ALLOW FOR FASTER RECHARGING.Â;-)THE HIGH BOOST VERSIONS ARE SUGGESTED FOR DRAG RACING APPLICATIONS ONLY.
Â;-)Â;-)
Â;-)Â;-)LIST OF REQUIRED ACCESSORIES:

Â;-) 1--BATTERIES (BIGGER BATTERIESÂ;-)WILL GIVE ADDITIONAL RUNNING TIME)
Â;-) 2--BATTERY CABLES & TERMINALS ($40)
Â;-) 3--FUEL CONTROL--FMU ($100)Â;-)OR ADDITIONAL INJECTOR SETUP ($250)
Â;-) 4--BOOST & AIR-FUEL GAUGES ($100)
Â;-) 5--COLD AIR INTAKE & PIPES ($50-$70)
Â;-) 6--SOLENOIDS--12/24 SERIES/PARALLEL SWITCH ($100)
Â;-) 7--ACTIVATION SWITCH--PUSH-BUTTON, TOGGLE, OR MICROSWITCH ($20)
Â;-)Â;-)8--MISC WIRING AND CRIMP TERMINALS ($25)

WE RECOMMEND WATER/ALCOHOL INJECTION WITH ANY SUPERCHARGER APPLICATION: http://coolingmist.com IS A GOOD PRODUCT
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POSSIBLE UPGRADES FOR THE FUTURE:

1- UPGRADED ALTERNATOR (OPTIONAL)
2- BLOW-OFF VALVE (OPTIONAL)

IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WHICH BLOWER TO PURCHASE, CALCULATE WHICH BLOWER YOU NEED USING THE FORMULAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE.

PIC 1--ESC-650CL (650CFM @ 2-3 PSI, ONE 8.2HP MOTOR @ 36V)
PIC 2--ESC-650CM (650CFM @Â;-)5-6 PSI, THREE 6.5HP MOTORS @ 24V)
PIC 3--ESC-350CH (350CFM @Â;-)5-6 PSI, THREE 4HP MOTORS @ 24V)
PIC 4--ESC-250CM (250CFM @Â;-)5-6 PSI,Â;-)ONE 6.5HP MOTOR @ 24V)
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THE FORMULA FOR CFM AT 5 PSI BOOST IS: (CU/IN DISPLACEMENT X RPM)/3456 X 1.1=CFM @ 5 PSI
EXAMPLE: (2.0 IS 122 CU/IN DISP X 6000 RPM) /3456 X 1.1= 230 CFM
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THE FORMULA FOR REQUIRED ELECTRIC POWER IS:
(CFM X PSI)/229 X SUPERCHARGER EFFICIENCY X MOTOR EFFICIENCY.
CENTRIFUGAL BLOWERS ARE 70% EFFICIENT
HIGH POWER BRUSHED ELECTRIC MOTORS ARE 50% EFFICIENT
1HP = 746 WATTS
EXAMPLE: 2.0 RUNNING 5 PSI (2.0 = 122 CID, AND THAT USES 250CFM @ 6000RPM)
(230 X 5)/229 /.70 /.5 = 14.3HP. 14.3Â;-)X 746 = 10,667WATTS /24 VOLTS = 445 AMPS
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FORMULAS ARE SIMPLE:
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PSI X CFM /229 /BLOWER EFFICIENCY =POWER REQUIREMENT
ELECTRIC MOTOR EFFICIENCY--6.5 @24V AND 8.2HP @ 36VÂ;-)=50% EFF
Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-) Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-)Â;-) 4HP @ 24V =60% EFF
CENTRIFUGAL BLOWER EFFICIENCY = 70%
1HP = 746 WATTS
2600/16.6= 157CID X 6000 RPM /3456 X .9= 250 N.A. CFM
DENSITY RATIO FOR 5 PSI = 1.22, SO 250 X 1.22 = CFM @ 5 PSI = 305CFM
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305 X 6 /229 /.70= 9.5HPÂ;-) 9.5 X 746 /.6 = 12,000 WATTS /24V = 500 AMPS
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THE AVERAGE V8 STARTER MOTOR DRAWS 500 AMPS, SO HOW LONG CAN THE STARTER RUN FROM A BATTERY? SAME LENGTH OF TIME AS THE ESC. HOWEVER, THE ESC IS AT 24V, AND TWO BATTERIES IN SERIES HAVE THE SAME RATING AS ONE BATTERY AT TWICE THE VOLTAGE.
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THE AVERAGE BATTERY IS 30 AMP/HRS, WHICH IS 30 X 60 MIN =1800
1800/500AMPS = 3.5 MINUTE RUNNING TIME IF THE BATTERIES KEEP COLD (BUT THEY DONT). SO USE 50% TO DETERMINE PEAK DRAW TOTAL SECONDS.
3.5 X 50% = 1.75 MIN (105 SECONDS, OR TEN RUNS OF 10 SECONDS BETWEEN RECHARGES). AGAIN, USE A 20% RECHARGING RATE TO DETERMINE HOW LONG TO RECHARGE. ALTERNATORS MUST SUBTRACT HOW MUCH CURRENT THE CAR NEEDS TO RUN, AND WHAT IS LEFT OVER IS 'EXTRA'. A 100 'EXTRA' AMP ALTERNATOR WOULD TAKE 20% OF RUN TIME, SO EACH 10 SECOND RUN WOULD TAKE 50 SECONDS TO REPLACE THE DEPLETED CURRENT. AFTER TEN RUNS YOU WOULD NEED 10 X 50 (500 SECONDS)Â;-)OR UNDER 10 MINUTES TO FULLY RECHARGE.
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LMFAO, thats $1500-2000 more in ACCESORIES!!!! if you add batteries, BOV, H.O alternator, wires, fuel setup, blah blah, your at 2500 to 3000+ all said and done! plus its probably a nightmare to install. sure you dont have parasitic drag, but you have dead weight, hurting performance, handling, braking...


awesome alternative :thumbsup:

id rather do the NA power setup, intake, exhaust, headers, chip, pulley, ....thats less than 1500, and power all the time, no extra weight (well, more than 10 or so lbs) sure to put you in the 14's... you dont have to worry about crap blowing up so easily but just instantly ramming air down the intake either...much more relieable setup, especially if you were to run to rich or lean with that setup, which i think would be hard to control seeing as how your going from normal to massive amounts of air in 1 second

and a cam should come out pretty soon

no offense, im sure your product works, but its not worth it.... a 75hp nitrous setup can be had for $550 im sure it comes to 1000 with its necessary accessories, maybe less.
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LMFAO, thats $1500-2000 more in ACCESORIES!!!! if you add batteries, BOV, H.O alternator, wires, fuel setup, blah blah, your at 2500 to 3000+ all said and done! plus its probably a nightmare to install. sure you dont have parasitic drag, but you have dead weight, hurting performance, handling, braking...


awesome alternative :thumbsup:

id rather do the NA power setup, intake, exhaust, headers, chip, pulley, ....thats less than 1500, and power all the time, no extra weight (well, more than 10 or so lbs) sure to put you in the 14's... you dont have to worry about crap blowing up so easily but just instantly ramming air down the intake either...much more relieable setup, especially if you were to run to rich or lean with that setup, which i think would be hard to control seeing as how your going from normal to massive amounts of air in 1 second

and a cam should come out pretty soon

no offense, im sure your product works, but its not worth it.... a 75hp nitrous setup can be had for $550 im sure it comes to 1000 with its necessary accessories, maybe less.
yea that 1000 nitrous kit would be bad with remote valve opener, nice purge valve, gauges......the kit skiboarder soldnot to long ago was very thorough and it sold for way less than 1000, i think it was around 500.......i agree with you guys, this is not everyday material......in my mind id be too worried if everything is working to enjoy it, its just not street material..........more like race material.......
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