Headers

I have noticed that everyone who has responded to this thread has the TOG's if they have headers. The biggest difference I can notice between the two is that S&S includes a high flow cat which TOG does not. Is there any difference between replacing the stock cat with a high flow cat

If there is no difference then I dont see the point in purchasing the S&S headers because they are a bit more expensive and everyone seems to be extremely happy with their TOG's.

TOG's actually recommends not replacing the cat. If you dont replace it you will need to weld the flexpipe to the stock cat.

thanks for the info everyone. I guess when I get the money it will be the TOG's

[bnight04]

where can you buy the tog headers??

TOG's can be found at PFYC, directly at The Other Guys, or through springs fastest alero's business APOC

[Wildman]

You don't have to buy the cat with S&S headers. It's not listed on their web site that way, but if you call them directly, you can order just headers (bare), just headers (coated) or just headers and the flex pipe (not attached to a cat. just a flex that would weld to your stock cat)

Flex is I think $75
Coated Headers are I think $499
Bare are I think $349

don;t quote me on that tho

[Youngblood77]

Originally posted by 1WhiteOSV@Oct 13 2004, 01:35 PM
so, would you say it'd be safe to just go w/ the nickel coated and save yourself the $200?

I don't think anyone answered this question, and I was thinking the same thing. Especially since NY salts the roads.....I'd want the headers to last without rotting out in 5 years.

[Wildman]

The coating also helps keep in the heat. Uncoated headers can get very hot and make your engine run hot. Not good if you do city driving where there isnt a lot of air flow. Also, the coating will make them perform better, and also as stated, make them last much longer. When I buy my headers, im getting them coated because, I dont want to have to replace them in a couple years when they rot through. And who knows what the availability will be on headers in a few years for the 3400, so I dont want to be stuck having to buy new stock manifolds.

Alright....on ssheaders.com it says "coated headers" or "raw headers" and from TOG it says "nickel coated" or "ceramic coated"...so my question is:

Are the "coated headers" from S&S ceramic or nickel coated?......

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero+Oct 12 2004, 08:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (springs fastest alero @ Oct 12 2004, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-green99gls@Oct 12 2004, 07:09 PM
Also is there a big difference between nickel coated and silver ceramic for the extra 200?

this depends on what your looking to do with the car.
nickel is more for corrosion than anything
the ceramic is to hold in heat
the new ceramic does a killer job of that.
holding in more heat keeps exhaust gas velocity up which makes more torque
how much more? couldnt say I haven't done back to back runs with just changing between the 2 coatings.
ceramic also will not disscolor or blue like the nickel.

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[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by 1WhiteOSV@Oct 17 2004, 08:45 PM
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Are the "coated headers" from S&S ceramic or nickel coated?......

jet-hot or somthing like it
S&S sends out for coating

wtf?..lol...is that as good/better/worse than ceramic?

Okay...I just got off the phone with S&S Headers and I can get CERAMIC coated headers AND flex w/o the cat for $575. That's DAMN cheaper than TOG's...but the downside is that their prices are going up THIS WEEK because of the increase in steel prices. So I think I am gonna order mine 2night/2morrow because this is a damn good price.

[kwhauck]

TOG headers are way better....but whatever, it's your car....

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by 99Alero_Boy@Oct 18 2004, 09:48 PM
TOG headers are way better....but whatever, it's your car....

way better huh? i'm sure we'd all like to see some sort of documentation to prove this.

its all personal preference, and you dont mention that in your post.

[Wildman]

Anyone know if I need to buy an O2 Simulator to use with the S&S??? Or are all the proper holes places in the pipes and stuff ????

[kwhauck]

i am a firm believer in documented proof, i have seen dyno results from the TOG headers and none from the SandS headers, also what kind of warranty do the SandS headers have? i know for a fact the TOG headers have an awesome warranty...one guy on grandamgt.com had his headers start to get surface rust....he called TOG and they immediately sent him a replacement...and later called him to report there was a defective chemical breakdown of the coating in the old headers he had......very good customer service is also important to me...

[Wildman]

I agree TOG is a great product. Just because nobody has dynoed before and after with S&S headers doesnt mean we should be wary of them. I am confident that the performance is comperable to TOG. Also, seems that most people dont realize that coated headers from S&S have a LIFETIME WARRANTY. PERIOD

[FormulaNERD]

yea, and i see a bunch of rods at the track that use S&S, and never heard of TOG till i had my alero. i know it's different for each application, but that, coupled with cost, has never made me think twice about choosing s&s after the cf hood.

[Naich]

IMO, you won't see THAT much of a difference between TOG and S&S performance wise if they are both ceramic coated... but TOG does have the dyno results so you can't argue with that. $575 sounds like a great deal for ceramic headers though. Nice find!