3400 Horsepower

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?

get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks

[jabartram]

Cool thanx, dam the bill gets big quick.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Alerosince99@Oct 25 2004, 05:39 PM
Springs was no longer boosted when he blew his engine. He was only on the bottle which IMO is way tougher on the engine especially ifyou are pushing the envelope. For those guys that are boosted (not including nitrous), would, including springsfastest, tell you that they are more concerned about the tranny then the engine.

There is a reason that John is trying to do a manual swap and its not all performance related.

my car had seen boost for longer than it seen nitrous.
nitrous is not always on like the sc either. both are hard on everything and I can't pin down one reason my engine blew
but it blew at a time when I was not spraying.
I drive my car hard, I push the hp to the limit too.
my trans has received just as much abuse as the engine and NEVER gave me a dimes trouble.

I was actually just as concerned about the engine as I was the trans
I've seen trannies go in this car but I've seen engines too.
people have gotten pretty fast with no tranny problems
others have not been that fortunate.
personally if your going to drop enough to bullit proof the trans and you dont do anything to make the motor handle more, your just asking for it.

I'm going manual for more reasons than one
in order of importance to me they are
1) performance. a manual will give me better use of the power band, has less drive train loss, weighs less and will create faster times than the auto.
2) cost. I'd rather drop cash into a manual than an auto
I can get a well built manual for less than the auto
3) cool factor. how many V6 aleros have a manual in them?
4) proof. someone has to prove it can be done
5)durabillity the manual alone is not much of a step but the parts I'm getting will make it extremely strong

your right its not all performance related but that is the biggest chunk of it.
but I just cant see dumping 3k plus into a slush box to make it possibly withstand my abuse.
even if the manual breaks I can pick up parts all day long cheap.
auto is not cheap to go through

how much abuse will it take is a good question

flowmaster
tornado
cai

so what everyone is saying is if u get a supercharger on an engine with headers,cai,exhaust....we will blow our stock tranny? if not that the engine will go? curious cuz i got a better job and was thinkin of dumpin a lil cash into the ho looks like it may end up just gettin look good mods..... and buy a crotchrocket for speed

[mike2002]

Originally posted by sheldo79@Nov 9 2004, 05:21 PM
how much abuse will it take is a good question

flowmaster
tornado
cai

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well, with that setup your running under 170hp, so yours should last a while

[SilverBullet256]

if you really wanna get gungho then wait till the 6 speed from the g-6 comes ou, it can handle plenty of power and its a 6 speed, and it will bolt right up to the 3400 block, the only problem is you need to do custom tranny mounts and all that, but my oppinion the best one to use is the 6 speed, im personally going for a completely rebuilt 93 getrag 282 with a gear ratio of 3.94, but only for money reasons, otherwise id go for the g-6 tranny

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Aug 2 2005, 06:17 PM
if you really wanna get gungho then wait till the 6 speed from the g-6 comes ou, it can handle plenty of power and its a 6 speed, and it will bolt right up to the 3400 block, the only problem is you need to do custom tranny mounts and all that, but my oppinion the best one to use is the 6 speed, im personally going for a completely rebuilt 93 getrag 282 with a gear ratio of 3.94, but only for money reasons, otherwise id go for the g-6 tranny

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maybe the g6 mounts and the alero manual tranny mounts could possibly help out for a reference or maybe you could possibly use one or two of them

[SilverBullet256]

yeah thats kinda what i was thinking, but since im gonna be going to school at UTI(which is an auto school) i can use all their garages and parts and poop for free, and ill have the teachers to help me out, so im just gonna custom do the mounts myself, but on second thought, there is a napa store on campus and students get everything like 40-50% off, so maybe i can pick up the g-6 tranny for a good price....hmmmmmm......

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD+Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FormulaNERD @ Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?

get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks

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lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Aug 2 2005, 07:47 PM
yeah thats kinda what i was thinking, but since im gonna be going to school at UTI(which is an auto school) i can use all their garages and parts and poop for free, and ill have the teachers to help me out, so im just gonna custom do the mounts myself, but on second thought, there is a napa store on campus and students get everything like 40-50% off, so maybe i can pick up the g-6 tranny for a good price....hmmmmmm......

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if you do do this dude, i might be following in your footsteps, so be sure to keep us updated

[mike2002]

you can already get a g6 6 speed, from saab, they've been using that transmission for a while. it will only be in the g6 GTP, so you wont come across many of those in the junk yard, saab's your best bet

[jabartram]

Originally posted by turbo-alero+Aug 2 2005, 07:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(turbo-alero @ Aug 2 2005, 07:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks

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lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......

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what kind of bad things? i'm fixin to send them a check for iridium plugs?

[SilverBullet256]

well exactly what saab car does it come in then, i looked at all their cars and none of them offer a 6-speed, so idk, i must be really confused or something, anyway if you could tell me what car i would appreciate it

[springs fastest alero]

if you have an eco tec the saab trans will work
from what I'm told the have a different bellhouseing bolt pattarn than the Q4 and 3400

[SilverBullet256]

thats kinda what i was thinking, so im just gonna try to get a new one, or that getrag 282, i dont know which one yet

[-Alero-]

i thoguht it was supposed to be the getrag 287

[SilverBullet256]

both can work but from what i got from the tranny thread that we had, the best one to choose is the 282

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by -Alero-@Aug 3 2005, 10:03 PM
i thoguht it was supposed to be the getrag 287

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That is the 00+ tranny. The 282 came in the 88-95 IIRC. with the larger 3.94 FDR in 93 and 94. The 282 was built to back the HO and W41s so It was designed, from the factory, to take more power.

after reading springs reasoning for going manual im kinda confused.
1. An auto is more consistant in drag racing and when tuned correctly will keep you in a power band better than a manual, no user errors.
2. The efficentcy of most modern auto trans is very near that of an manual so there is negligable power loss difference.
3. My understanding was a TQ convertor will take more abuse than a cluth, so they will stand up to more.
4. autos shift faster than manuals and have taller gears so not really losing any time there.

I totally understand you other reasons but maybe somebody could explain these to me.

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by jabartram+Aug 3 2005, 11:56 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jabartram @ Aug 3 2005, 11:56 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......

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what kind of bad things? i'm fixin to send them a check for iridium plugs?

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a lot of talk of bad customer service as well as some failures already of their "bulletproof" trannies, and they've been known for failures with other car types