01-08-2008, 09:22 PM
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Supercharging my ion?
well i've been looking into supercharging my 03 ion QC3, its a 2.2L ecotec (automatic) will the transmission rob any power ? heard yes and no on ionforums.net might as well get some views from the alero guys n gals
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01-08-2008, 09:24 PM
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I would say yes but I'm no expert.
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2.2 5speed
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1996 GMC Yukon 4x4
5.7 liters of gas suckin power!
33x12.5r15 Mud Terrians on 15x10 wheels
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12345678987654321
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01-08-2008, 09:27 PM
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hmmm well if it does im not gonna care if its 5-10hp as long as its not a total waste of cash ya kno, been looking for automatic cavs and sunfires with the eco that are supercharged and what numbers they got but no numbers
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01-08-2008, 09:27 PM
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Yes, but you wont notice because the SC makes up for it. SC is parasitic so it takes power but then it probably makes all of the loss plus probably another 60HP since it runs on belts and not exhaust like a turbo.
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01-08-2008, 09:32 PM
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thats what i've heard a few times (something along that lines) so far the supercharger idea is looking pretty good..keep in mind im not trying 2 make a rocket out of it just want more power, going from my 3.4 Ho to a 2.2 QC makes me feel like im driving a rock lol
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01-08-2008, 09:32 PM
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what kinda hp # would one expect from a s/c ecotec with little to no supporting mods?
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2003 Alero
2.2 5speed
Grey
1996 GMC Yukon 4x4
5.7 liters of gas suckin power!
33x12.5r15 Mud Terrians on 15x10 wheels
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12345678987654321
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01-08-2008, 09:34 PM
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depends on the system I guess, but I was just give a ball park 60hp guess just for reference.
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01-08-2008, 09:36 PM
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yea i was looking at the GM performance and they say 148hp to 200hp give or take so a 50-60hp boost , and 200hp in my little ion is more then enuf for me right now
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01-08-2008, 11:33 PM
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If i'm correct you can estimate a 24% loss of horsepower through the drive train with an automatic.
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01-08-2008, 11:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jabartram
If i'm correct you can estimate a 24% loss of horsepower through the drive train with an automatic.
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what would it be about with a stick, I'm assuming a bit less?
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2003 Alero
2.2 5speed
Grey
1996 GMC Yukon 4x4
5.7 liters of gas suckin power!
33x12.5r15 Mud Terrians on 15x10 wheels
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12345678987654321
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01-11-2008, 01:26 PM
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10-15% give or take a couple
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01-11-2008, 11:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yoslvr442
10-15% give or take a couple
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yes......
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01-11-2008, 11:26 PM
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I heard that its not so much the transmission that robs the power but the torque converter, and generaly 10 - 20%
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01-11-2008, 11:26 PM
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any way to lower the amount lost with an auto? always something i've pondered
engine mounts obviously
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01-11-2008, 11:52 PM
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I would assume engine and tranny mounts and a good synthitic trans oil...or a 5-speed swap
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2003 Alero
2.2 5speed
Grey
1996 GMC Yukon 4x4
5.7 liters of gas suckin power!
33x12.5r15 Mud Terrians on 15x10 wheels
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12345678987654321
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01-12-2008, 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by [ion] C2
any way to lower the amount lost with an auto? always something i've pondered
engine mounts obviously
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take the tranny out.
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01-13-2008, 06:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by [ion] C2
any way to lower the amount lost with an auto? always something i've pondered
engine mounts obviously
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Invent a more efficient torque converter/clutch system to allow the drive gear to be engaged at idle when the vehicle is stopped.
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01-13-2008, 11:54 PM
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well i talked 2 my bud at GM when i was gettin my oil changed the other day, he said to expect a little bit of a loss but hes gettin me a emplyee discount on the supercharger and installation so im defenitaly going for it thanks for the advice guys
Last edited by 99-alero : 01-14-2008 at 12:39 AM.
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01-20-2008, 02:40 PM
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i also have the 2.2 and i have been lookin for sites on where i can get a supercharger. any1 have any good websites?
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01-21-2008, 12:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 99-alero
well i talked 2 my bud at GM when i was gettin my oil changed the other day, he said to expect a little bit of a loss but hes gettin me a emplyee discount on the supercharger and installation so im defenitaly going for it thanks for the advice guys
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If you're adding more power, there won't be a loss of anything. Maybe it won't be quite as much whp as a 5 speed car after it's all said and done, but it'll still be much better than stock. You're paying too much attention to drivetrain efficiency. That supercharger will do just fine with the auto.
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