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Old 02-16-2004, 02:15 PM   #1
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"Note that this crank pulley has NO harmonic dampener, and we recommend be used only on fully-balanced rebuilt motors."

is this true would this hurt my car? i got this from this web site http://www.machv.com/ununpul.html
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Old 02-16-2004, 02:39 PM   #2
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This has been covered before, many times...

If there's no harmonic damper on it, especially on a stock engine, it could throw out a crank bearing after time...
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Old 02-16-2004, 08:45 PM   #3
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hey guys read this.........




4) "Is my crank pulley a harmonic/torsional/vibration damper or a harmonic balancer?"

People are getting the pulleys confused with the harmonic dampers found on some V6 / V8 engines. "Harmonic Balancer" is a term that is used loosely in the automotive industry. Technically, this type of device does not exist. The "balancer" part comes from engines that are externally balanced and have a counterweight cast into the damper, hence the merging of the two terms. None of the applications that we offer utilize a counterweight as part of the pulley as these engines are internally balanced.

The pulleys on most of the new import and smaller domestic engines have an elastomer (rubber ring) incorporated into the pulley that looks similar to a harmonic damper. The elastomer in the OEM pulley serves as an isolator, which is there to suppress natural vibration and noise from the engine itself, the A/C compressor, P/S pump, and alternator. This is what the manufacturers call NVH (Noise Vibration & Harshness) when referring to noticeable noise and vibration in the passenger compartment. It is important to note that in these applications, this elastomer is somewhat inadequate in size, as well as life span, to act as an effective torsional damper. If you look at the pulleys on some of the imports there is no rubber to be found at all. We have samples of these, mostly from Acura/Honda, the Nissan Altima, 1.8L Eclipse, 2.3L Fords, Chrysler 2.2L's, and 1.8L VW's, to mention a few. This is not to say that with our pulleys you will hear a ton of noise or feel more vibration from your engine compartment. Most who have installed and driven a vehicle with our pulleys will notice the engine actually feels smoother. This is a natural result of replacing the heavy steel crank pulley with a CNC-machined aluminum pulley. NVH is variable and unique to every car. NVH will increase with the installation of an aftermarket intake and/or exhaust, for example. Think of OEM intake systems in newer cars, they use baffles and resonators in the intake to quiet all the intake noise. Aftermarket intakes eliminate these resonators and create dramatic increases in engine noise from the throttle opening and closing. So to most tuners, certain types of NVH can make the driving experience more enjoyable.

The purpose of a traditional harmonic damper is to protect against crank failure from torsional movement. This is not necessary in most modern engines because of the many advances in engine design and materials. Factors such as stroke, displacement, inline, V configurations, power output, etc., do determine when and how these harmonics and torsional movements occur.

Again, there is a lot of internet hearsay about the pulleys. When motor failures occur, too often people are quick to blame the pulley first, rather than taking the time to look logically into why there was a problem. We hope that after reading this you will understand the crank pulleys better.

6) "Will these pulleys cause premature engine bearing wear?"

This is a fear many prospective owners have and is a valid concern since we are dealing directly with the rotating assembly. Fortunately it is another urban myth with no basis in fact. The fact is that our pulleys have the opposite effect on engine bearings. The combination of tight tolerances, quality control, perfect balance, and dramatic weight loss versus the stock pulleys reduces stress loads on your engine, extending the total service life you can expect from your engine. Engine bearing problems are purely associated to poor engine maintenance, use of heavier than factory recommended oils, improper engine building practices (which includes poor balancing), excessively revving engines when they are cold, and owners expecting their factory oil pumps to handle engine power outputs beyond 3, 4, even 5+ times the stock power levels.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:17 PM   #4
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No offense oldsman, but it sounds like whoever wrote up that little FAQ of yours is trying to sell you a pully...

"Note that this crank pulley has NO harmonic dampener, and we recommend be used only on fully-balanced rebuilt motors." << the fact that the people who make this pulley tell you themselves they only recommend it for a well balanced engine should tell you something
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umm, yeah but there is no harmonic balancer on the 2.4 the balance shafts keep everything in line.
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Old 02-18-2004, 05:30 PM   #6
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so will the pulleys hurt my car in the long run
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Old 02-18-2004, 10:03 PM   #7
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that faq is from UR.

there are several j-bodies using the UR pulley for 30k - 40k with no problems

we DO NOT have a harmonic balancer.

it is a dampener. but it only dampens whatever harmonics would come from the accessories.

final, that quote is not from UR so Ur never said it was recommended for balanced rebuilt engines. the dealer stated that. my faq is from UR and staes nothing of that.
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