Milzy Motorsports

[jackal2000]

Originally Posted by burg03

are you putting it on the dyno?

yes, after the install they are going to dyno tune it.

[01GrandAm]

Originally Posted by BlackJack

I just did my head transplant, and it went together nice and easy heads first then headers, then sparkplugs, might be different for your headers however. The phenolic spacers are definitely a plus though....intake temps will drop quite a bit.

Yeah your turbo headers are alot different of a design than the TOG's. Not saying that there is a right or wrong way to install them, just installing the headers on to the heads before hand made it easier for me because I used Breslin locking bolts and had everything torqued to spec before bolting the heads down. (Saved me from leaning over the engine bay and fumbling around to tighten everything on the rear bank, as I didn't remove the engine from the car to do the install)

Originally Posted by jturkey69

3500 heads will bolt on with out any issue?, or do you need the 3500 top end as well?

looking good john...ken will have some competition next year at ASS

Yes, the non VVT 3500 heads bolt to the 3400 block, however you must use the 3500 LIM as it has a lightly different angle than the 3400 LIM. You can either use the 3500 Plenum with a TB adapter plate from the 60*V6 store or you can use the 3400 plenum either will work.

I personally like the 3500 heads, as I feel they flow better than the MMS stage 2 heads. Most expierenced engine builders and head porters will tell you that low lift #'s are more important than higher lift flow #'s. I have read numerous articles and information on the subject and most of them all come back to the importance of flow at lower lifts.

Stock 3500 Heads Vs MMS Stage 2 Heads: (intake data)

.200" lift: Stock 3500 heads outflow the MMS Stage 2 heads by 21%
.300" lift: Stock 3500 heads outflow the MMS Stage 2 heads by 15%
.400" lift: Stock 3500 heads outflow the MMS Stage 2 heads by 3%
.450" lift: MMS Stage 2 heads outflow the Stock 3500 heads by 3%
.500" lift: MMS Stage 2 heads outflow the Stock 3500 heads by 9%
.550" lift: MMS Stage 2 heads outflow the Stock 3500 heads by 11%

I rest my case.

[jackal2000]

arent TOG headers too small for 3500 heads??

[01GrandAm]

Originally Posted by jackal2000

arent TOG headers too small for 3500 heads??

No, they fit up to the ports and work very well.

[jturkey69]

i am looking at finding a set of 3500 heads, and lim, and using my 3400 upper since i have 2 and just polished one up. i also have an extra set of 3400 heads that i plan on pocket porting and selling to fund the 3500 heads

[jackal2000]

well, the motor is completely torn down to the block. cylinder one is totally effed up. they didnt find the piston ring im not that surprised though lol

mech said the bearings all need replaced and they are going to hone the block. i didnt expect them to start working on it til monday so this is awesome that they got to it. he said it was a good thing that i bought those new heads cause there is a bunch of build up and the valve seals are messed up too. im going to the shop this afternoon to take some pics. i'll start a new thread when i get those....

[jturkey69]

wow...how did it get that bad??..alot of miles? cool that your getting it re-built though

[jackal2000]

ya i put about 25k miles on it AFTER it started burning oil. it has been over a year since it started burning...

I gotta see it. I may come over to check it out

[jackal2000]

Originally Posted by burg03

I gotta see it. I may come over to check it out

when is the next test and tune at MIR? my car should be done by the middle of next week and i will be working days which frees up my nights....

How about oct 6. Pay day for me

I think it will be mid night madness.You get to run all night!!
for 20 bucks

[jackal2000]

count me in player. be there or be square. LOL

[BlackJack]

hey man, just a thought, but while they have it torn down for cylinder hone, why not get the block line-bored on the cam/crank journals? Just makes it that much faster.

[jackal2000]

Originally Posted by BlackJack

hey man, just a thought, but while they have it torn down for cylinder hone, why not get the block line-bored on the cam/crank journals? Just makes it that much faster.

i have no idea what that means but i will bring it up to them as if i know all about it lol

thanks for the input.

[BlackJack]

ok, basic idea is they take a "drill" so to speak, and run it longways through the block with the main caps bolted on, and also run it through the cam journals. This ensures that all your bearing surfaces are perfectly aligned reducing drag on rotational mass. You'll be capable of running a little higher RPM's without as much vibration also.

[jackal2000]

im definitely calling them tomorrow about this. you da man BJ!

[jackal2000]

i just talked to em and they said i would need new, bigger pistons to do that. oh well.

13.9, I cant wait to see this

[jackal2000]

Originally Posted by burg03

13.9, I cant wait to see this

LOL you and me both brotha. i havent yet figured out what act of violence i will commit if i dont break into the 13s....lol