Ecotec Alero Performance Talk - Page 4

heineck · 07-02-2009, 06:55 PM

yea that sites mainly cavys

AbHeLlRaZoR · 07-02-2009, 06:56 PM

oh sweet.

colonel6632 · 07-02-2009, 06:57 PM

2006–2007 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2008 Chevrolet Cobalt Sport
2006–2008 Chevrolet HHR
2006–2008 Pontiac G5/Pursuit
2006–present Pontiac G6
2006–present Pontiac Solstice
2006–present Saturn Sky
2006–2007 Saturn Ion
2008–present Saturn Aura
2008–present Chevrolet Malibu
2008–present Saturn Vue

i did a quick qiki on that engine... heres the list of cars i got... for those interested

colonel6632 · 07-02-2009, 08:48 PM

also... i've been doing some reading on this. heres what i've come up with. please help me out here guys.

so if you do this swap (2.4 manifold) you should get a tune done on your car. on f-body cars you have to because the ecm doesn't look at the air flow and your car will run like shit. cobalts dont need to be tuned but will gain more horsepower than without a tune since they do adjust for the added air flow somewhat.

and you will also need an adapter with a whole or something for the throttle body... i am seriously interested in this swap... i'm assuming i would need to get new gaskets if i get the parts from a junk yard?

and sounds like 2.4 throttle bodies are fly by wire (i think thats what it's called) so they can't be used on our cars since we use fly by cable...

hows my research look?

heineck · 07-02-2009, 09:57 PM

Umm a little backwards, iirc the HHR has an electric TB and we have cable driven

Valley olds · 07-02-2009, 11:35 PM

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Colonel6632:also... i've been doing some reading on this. heres what i've come up with. please help me out here guys.

so if you do this swap (2.4 manifold) you should get a tune done on your car. on f-body cars you have to because the ecm doesn't look at the air flow and your car will run like shit. cobalts dont need to be tuned but will gain more horsepower than without a tune since they do adjust for the added air flow somewhat.

and you will also need an adapter with a whole or something for the throttle body... i am seriously interested in this swap... i'm assuming i would need to get new gaskets if i get the parts from a junk yard?

and sounds like 2.4 throttle bodies are fly by wire (i think thats what it's called) so they can't be used on our cars since we use fly by cable...

hows my research look?

Your research is pretty good.
According to the research Ive been doing, you can use the manifold even if you have a cable driven throttle body. You need to buy an adapter plate that will allow for this. Also, I dont know if this applies to aleros, but it said something about making a slit in the manifold for the IAC sensor (dont know what this is).

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/sh...ntake+manifold

Just thought I'd add I love this thread

AbHeLlRaZoR · 07-03-2009, 12:09 AM

I think I would spend the money and get the Short runner intake manifold from Vulcan Turbo sure it costs more but w/e it doesn't look stock.

Valley olds · 07-03-2009, 12:13 AM

I actually like the fact that the 2.4 one looks stock. I also like that its plastic, thus lighter than an aluminum one.

AbHeLlRaZoR · 07-03-2009, 12:15 AM

true... so very true about plastic being lighter, plastic doesn't warm up as fast either. I'll figure out what route I'll take as I continue searching.

Noseminer · 07-03-2009, 04:07 AM

Ya i believe that i've read on ecotec forum that the aluminum intakes heat up more than the stock ones and that the stock ones are pretty good up to 300 hp anyway. One of you guys gotta hurry up and go turbo cause i wanna see what one of our alero's can do with a turbo eco.

colonel6632 · 07-03-2009, 11:57 AM

thanks valley. i found that also! i would go and buy a 2.4 manifold right away... but i'm not sure where i would drill the hole for the aic module thing to go. and where it goes and stuff like that.

and would our ecms adjust for the added air flow? not like the f body cars

AbHeLlRaZoR · 07-03-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Noseminer

Ya i believe that i've read on ecotec forum that the aluminum intakes heat up more than the stock ones and that the stock ones are pretty good up to 300 hp anyway.

I wonder what would happen if the aluminum intakes where Ceramic coated or Jet Hot coated?

heineck · 07-03-2009, 03:39 PM

jet hot coated would be sweet

AbHeLlRaZoR · 07-03-2009, 03:48 PM

By the looks of the dealer search on the Jet Hot website there is no Canadian dealers and I ain't having much luck finding any on google...

heineck · 07-03-2009, 03:48 PM

i want the saab mani honestly

colonel6632 · 07-03-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by heineck

i want the saab mani honestly

go on... never heard of anything about the saab intake

heineck · 07-03-2009, 04:23 PM

well i havent seen it on yet but i heard of some pretty nice gains with it its off a 9-3 but there is some modding needed

then i saw this and im kinda diggin it

Blktrax · 07-03-2009, 10:09 PM

I'd thought I'd chime in on this (cause im being a post whore, but helping out at the same time), I did the Dyno tuning on the maniforld swap for CrateEngineDepot.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...uns_126557.htm
The 2.4 has a larger inlet at the throttle body, I swapped the 2.4 unit witch was a direct swap. Granted the cobalt is fly by wire. I see no reason that the cable throttlebody wont bolt up. The contraversy sparked on Cobaltss.net was the trade off in the power curve though. The 2.4 used VVTI and that makes up low end torque. The 2.4 Manifold has longer runners, it gained significantly at the high end but lost in the 2k to 3k range.

Any questions I'll be happy to answer.

Also to some other comments: That Saab intake bounced aroudn the cobaltss forum al ot too about how to get the L61 to and LNF motor, but frankly unless someone really wanted to do it themselves it was way cheaper to trade up to an accual Cobalt SS with the LSJ or LNF. However now myself being and Alero Addicted guy I can see the attraction, it can be done, just a lot of fab work.

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Originally Posted by Valley olds

I was looking at the Ecotecpower forum, and saw this. It upgrades your 2.2 intake to a 2.4 intake.

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...t-W67C144.aspx

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Originally Posted by heineck

Theres a write up on ecotec forum i came across way back, but yea the ports match up perfectly

Quote:

Originally Posted by colonel6632

would the intake manifold off the alero 2.4 work... or is there a certian one thats the best?

Quote:

Originally Posted by colonel6632

also... i've been doing some reading on this. heres what i've come up with. please help me out here guys.

so if you do this swap (2.4 manifold) you should get a tune done on your car. on f-body cars you have to because the ecm doesn't look at the air flow and your car will run like shit. cobalts dont need to be tuned but will gain more horsepower than without a tune since they do adjust for the added air flow somewhat.

and you will also need an adapter with a whole or something for the throttle body... i am seriously interested in this swap... i'm assuming i would need to get new gaskets if i get the parts from a junk yard?

and sounds like 2.4 throttle bodies are fly by wire (i think thats what it's called) so they can't be used on our cars since we use fly by cable...

hows my research look?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley olds

Your research is pretty good.
According to the research Ive been doing, you can use the manifold even if you have a cable driven throttle body. You need to buy an adapter plate that will allow for this. Also, I dont know if this applies to aleros, but it said something about making a slit in the manifold for the IAC sensor (dont know what this is).

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/sh...ntake+manifold

Just thought I'd add I love this thread

heineck · 07-03-2009, 10:16 PM

i just wanna make sure i read that right u did the 2.4 swap?

Blktrax · 07-03-2009, 10:18 PM

Correct,

2.2L to 2.4L Intake manifold swap. On a 2007 Cobalt