What's the best mod?

Originally posted by Boarder211+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Boarder211)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Hey all...
I'm a little green when it comes to the whole tuning thing, and was wondering what people would say would be the best first mod to make to a car. I'm assuming that it'll be a CIA and exhaust, but after that, what's next? I'd like to make my car have some good power, and am wondering what people have done that's yeilded them the best bang for their buck. Aswell, what makes should I look for when looking for parts?

Later all,
Scott [/b]

Originally posted by Orion+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Orion)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>CAI
Exhaust
Headers
Throttle Body
Spark Plugs
Performance Chip
N2O, Turbo, Supercharger [/b]

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APOC or FDP CAI, SLP or Borla or Custom exhaust from a local shop.

After those 2 things the only other fairly cheap things you could look into would be, FDP or APOC 62mm Throttle Body+P&P upper intake. Possibly the Pro-M MAF.

Another option is to get a new PCM. There was a new post the other day about a new source for computer reprogramming for the Alero.

Next in line would be headers, headwork, and the cam and vavletrain from comp. cams that looks like it's becoming a reality.

For big bucks you can always go custom turbo or find someone willing to part with their magnacharger kit.

Make sure you check out aleroupgrades.com for available parts and sources for those parts.[/quote]
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If you're gonna get serious, then get the chip last, and get a custom program for your other mods. That way you will get the most out of it. Is this for road cours or straight?[/quote]

[jackal2000]

i would go with the performance chip from ASE. off the top of my head it is supposed to add 20hp and not govern speed. i think it is around $300 usd. take it for what its worth.

^^^ Don't believe everything you read.

I've never heard anyone say anything great about chips or modules on any car unless its high performance, for a starting mod, i wouldn't suggest it.

Personally i'd go with a turbo which would probably add around 70hp, i think thats what Springs Fastest Alero said he got from his S/C. I know the turbo won't have the exact same numbers but with the proper tuning it'll be pretty high. That would run you around $2500 if you made yourself a custom kit. Plus an alcohol injection kit which is only $350 and will add on average 50 hp. Allows you to turn your boost way up and keeps your engine cool.

Those two together $2900~ Adding 120~hp

I don't think you can do much better then that money wise, ofcourse you'd have to replace alot of parts to be able to run that high of hp on your stock alero. So.... It'd end up costing you more. But if you already had a stock turbo'd car, alcohol injection is by far the best mod!

Money Wise- Nitrous Kit

Reliablility Wise- CAI, Exhaust

Overall Wise- Turbo or S/C

am a all motor kind of guy, I would do headers,cai some and some head work

Did they ever finish production on that new DHP chip?.....or is ASE still the only chip available?

Well the best mod to do is headers after the essentials that is because I love hoiw my car runs now.

[aLeRogrL21]

LOOK into a Diablo performance chip from www.diablosport.com and i'm with stealthalero on the rest of the performance parts because if you really want to invest in your car then go all out but make sure you have the money to spare if you plan on getting serious...see that's my problem, I don't have that spare money to go all out so i'm just taking my time. This comming spring, I'll have a custom exhaust and some bolt on mods put on my alero.

If its a daily driver, your best bet to begin with is a catback exhaust and CAI. I've got the SLP and Dr. Speed and very happy with them. Next, I'd add a switchable 30HP nitrous shot. The combination of these 3 mods should put you around 215-220HP. That will seriously test your traction capabilites and is getting close to the trans limit.

These 3, if you stay out of the nitrous, won't comprimise the reliability of your ride.

Again, from what I've read, the cam and heads on this motor really can't be improved that much.

Grant

If you have the v-6 , then your tranny is the 4t45 and it can handle up to 300hp, (that comes from the GM homepage about our motor and trannys) so you dont\'t need to worry about losing traction.

Dang! A revision of an old post, and in comes the info. Thanks all! I gotta say, I'm learning a lot from all of you!

Originally posted by sgdalero@Dec 9 2003, 02:54 AM
If you have the v-6 , then your tranny is the 4t45 and it can handle up to 300hp, (that comes from the GM homepage about our motor and trannys) so you dont\'t need to worry about losing traction.

Hmm...I read on this board awhile ago that 245 was the max horsepower the 4t45 could handle.

Don't worry about losing traction? Even the bone stock torque is enough to fry the tires from a standing start. With my mods, I can light 'em both up at a slow roll. So, adding even more HP will only make this problem worse.

I've also read on a old post here that some people find starting the trans in second gives them better traction and better quarter mile times.

Personally, I like to make some noise just to drive my town's police officers nuts. And I sit on the village board! You should have seen them when I used to cruise in my '66 flamed big-block pro-street Galaxie! After a blast around town when I was putting it away, a cruiser would come thru our street and the officer's would just shake their heads...

^^^ Second gear starts are not available in the alero.

I think he meant putting the gear selector in 2nd, rather than "drive." Some have said that you get a firmer 1st-2nd shift that way.

If your low on money than the crank pulley for the 3.4 is a great 75 dollars spent.

Originally posted by 3.4Alero@Dec 10 2003, 05:52 PM
I think he meant putting the gear selector in 2nd, rather than "drive." Some have said that you get a firmer 1st-2nd shift that way.

I think he meant putting the gear selector in 2nd, rather than "drive." Some have said that you get a firmer 1st-2nd shift that way.

Actually my experience has been this selection only limits you gearing up to the number selected.

Not the starting gear.

Someone correct me, if you can.

D

Originally posted by Ribbie+Dec 13 2003, 05:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ribbie @ Dec 13 2003, 05:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-3.4Alero@Dec 10 2003, 05:52 PM
I think he meant putting the gear selector in 2nd, rather than "drive." Some have said that you get a firmer 1st-2nd shift that way.

I think he meant putting the gear selector in 2nd, rather than "drive." Some have said that you get a firmer 1st-2nd shift that way.

Actually my experience has been this selection only limits you gearing up to the number selected.

Not the starting gear.

Someone correct me, if you can.

D [/b][/quote]
Actually I just tested my cars' 1/4 mi. time on the g-tec, and I ran it in 2nd the whole way. So when it comes to 1/4 mi. you can run the car in 2nd. The time I got was a 15.97, but I had just ran it two prior times before that one.

Where can I buy these headers from that everybody keeps talking about

[r53silver91s]

U can get The Other Guys Headers (TOG) from www.pfyc.com or APoC, those two stores have banners at the top of the screen. U can also buy S & S headers, but I am not sure where. If u are interested in headers, do a search on this site about them or go to www.grandamgt.com and go to the forums and click on All Go (performance mods) and u will see a title S&S vs. TOG. It is pretty informative.

Originally posted by Grant@Dec 8 2003, 05:14 PM
If its a daily driver, your best bet to begin with is a catback exhaust and CAI. I've got the SLP and Dr. Speed and very happy with them. Next, I'd add a switchable 30HP nitrous shot. The combination of these 3 mods should put you around 215-220HP. That will seriously test your traction capabilites and is getting close to the trans limit.

These 3, if you stay out of the nitrous, won't comprimise the reliability of your ride.

Again, from what I've read, the cam and heads on this motor really can't be improved that much.

Grant

If I read your post right you are saying that a ECM chip, a more free flowing exhaust, and a CAI will get you from 170 HP to 220 HP?

At the risk of sounding like an @ss because most off you guys probably don't want to hear this.... "There is no way in hell those three "minor" bolt ons will get you anywhere close to 50 HP. It is physically impossible. In rder for this to be true GM would've had to design the most restrictive air intake and exhaust ever manufactured and then coupled them with a ECM chip that limits the Fuel mixture dramatically. Its just unrealistic, GM has been making the 60 degree V6 for decades now and has been constantly inproving the design . There was the 2.8, then there was the 3.1, then there was the first gen 3.4 Iron head, and now there is the 3.4 Aluminum head DIS ignition. And the HP has improved from a measly 120 hp standard 2.8 to an acceptable 170 HP in the 3.4.

With a chip, exhaust, and CAI the 3400 is capable of probably around 185-190 HP. Anything else is unrealistic.

But if you were saying that those three mods with a 30 hp shot of N20 is what gets you the 220 HP, then I am right there behind you all the way.

Sorry bout being crass, but over stating minor mods like these are why civic owners are so retarded. I don't want us to be in the same class.

Yep...that's what I was saying...the CAI, cat-back, and 30HP nitrous shot should put you in the 215-225 range. I plan on doing a dyno run this Spring to see what these two additions have added in HP.