Should I Win Or Not?

i have an 03 4 door alero with the ecotec and my brother has a 99 grand am gt with nothing done but a ram air hood and i've got an intake header and cat back exhaust. now i've heard i should be able to beat him, but his car just seems so damn fast compared to mine. i know mikess could beat them, but is it because of his being a 5 speed or should my auto be able to beat him too? another question has anyone with an eco ever raced a new sentra spec v? if so what was the outcome.

i know alot of you are thinking that i should just go to the track and race, but i dont ever get off work until 10 pm and the track opens from midnight until 3 am on friday night and i gotta get up at 6 am on saturday morning so if you guys could help out i'd appreciate it.

[Fast Eddie]

don't be a puss go to the track and get it on. you can sleep when your dead.

I do know the 5sp 2.4 will lose to the the nissan by about 1~1.5 car lengths, ur that is what I read in C&D anyways, I don't go to the track :rolleyes: . Mike ownz me so he would probably beat it by two car lengths.

[MikeSS]

Originally posted by 03EcotecAlero@Apr 22 2005, 12:08 AM
i have an 03 4 door alero with the ecotec and my brother has a 99 grand am gt with nothing done but a ram air hood and i've got an intake header and cat back exhaust. now i've heard i should be able to beat him, but his car just seems so damn fast compared to mine.Â;-) i know mikess could beat them, but is it because of his being a 5 speed or should my auto be able to beat him too?Â;-) another question has anyone with an eco ever raced a new sentra spec v? if so what was the outcome.

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Yeah, you are probably going to lose. A grand am GT is fast, and even with your mods, your going to lose with the automatic. If you could get an ECU controller to change your redline/gearshifts/fuel cutoff things would be different.

The reason the 5-speed can make up the differnece in HP is because it can be launched with clutch feathering at 3000-3500rpm, and could be shifted 100-200rpm into redline.

Spec V stock for stock would beat us all, they do about 15.2 stock, and some even hit 14.9 stock, or with just exhaust. (I was looking at buying this car)

But yeah, go to the track and see what happens, it is all for fun anyway.

i'll keep it simple....you'll lose...sorry

Originally posted by MikeSS@Apr 22 2005, 07:45 AM

The reason the 5-speed can make up the differnece in HP is because it can be launched with clutch feathering at 3000-3500rpm, and could be shifted 100-200rpm into redline.

That and compared to an automatic the manual is more efficient at putting more of it's power to the ground.

[MikeSS]

Originally posted by kwicslvr+Apr 22 2005, 12:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kwicslvr @ Apr 22 2005, 12:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MikeSS@Apr 22 2005, 07:45 AM

The reason the 5-speed can make up the differnece in HP is because it can be launched with clutch feathering at 3000-3500rpm, and could be shifted 100-200rpm into redline.

That and compared to an automatic the manual is more efficient at putting more of it's power to the ground.

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Very good point, isn't it something like 15% power through tranny lose for a manual roughly compared to an automatics like 22% roughly?

Originally posted by Fast Eddie@Apr 22 2005, 05:53 AM
don't be a puss go to the track and get it on. you can sleep when your dead.

I do know the 5sp 2.4 will lose to the the nissan by about 1~1.5 car lengths, ur that is what I read in C&D anyways, I don't go to the track :rolleyes: . Mike ownz me so he would probably beat it by two car lengths.

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I've raced a Nissan Sentra SE-R before and we were neck and neck. He was 6 spd. I had a 2.4L 5 spd. I've never raced a Spec-V before bit since it's only got about 10 more HP then the SE-R I'd say it would squeek a win.

[little_pontiac]

Originally posted by 1WhiteOSV@Apr 22 2005, 11:04 AM
i'll keep it simple....you'll lose...sorry

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i am with you, sorry 03EcotecAlero . If u had the 5 speed like MikeSS had u would kick his butt. but looks doubtful.

Originally posted by MikeSS@Apr 22 2005, 01:39 PM

Very good point, isn't it something like 15% power through tranny lose for a manual roughly compared to an automatics like 22% roughly?

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Essentially. Some manuals are closer to 12% (mustang). Auto's are typically 20-23%.

thanks for the info, you guys really know your stuff. i really should look into a 5 speed. i mean for the money i think i would be happier beating more cars than i do now. even though i'm not the best 5 speed driver out there i think i could learn. i drive my g/f's cavy with 5 speed sometimes and i'm decent, just wish she had a little more power. shes gonna trade it in for a celica gts in a month or two. cant wait.

SHOULD you? Yes you should...
Can you is the question... and right now, I think the answer is no