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Old 11-15-2009, 12:48 AM   #41
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:01 AM   #42
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Power vs. Reliability on a long term time-line; Those, of course that have had the experience of grenading a few motors tend to shy away from super high increases of power because reliability becomes a total unknown.

i disagree.......
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:13 AM   #43
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well, let me reinforce Kyle's point here.

I've been running in excess of 10psi regularly for what, 3 years now?

Same engine I don't baby this thing either, I outright hammer the crap out of it all the time.

It's all a matter of whether you know the limits, operate within your limits, and most importantly, tune correctly. With proper tune, and ample fuel supply, I'm pretty certain I can push one of these STOCK blocks past 20psi with only using either copper or MLS headgaskets and using ARP studs.
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:40 AM   #44
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It's not just the tune, the internal parts just cannot handle that amount of force made by a certain increase in power output... it's not about pressure, it's about power output when it comes to pistons/rods.

I disagree too (along with kwhauck). My head gasket blew from too much boost, but here I am pushing the same amount of pressure. I put in a stronger gasket and ARP head studs this time. Now that it's reinforced, the worries have lifted. If you break something, you simply make it stronger. It's not going to keep one from modding.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:01 PM   #45
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If you break something, you simply make it stronger. It's not going to keep one from modding.


Exactly what I have been doing
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I aggree with everything that has been said here. Im not trying to patronize anyone or say any one thing is wrong or right. I personaly dont have the complete understanding of what any other person as or has not done.

Mostly thinking how you sneeze and these things blow LIMG's.

Overall I'm just of the opinon that as long as the motor itself is build strong enough, then of course it will hold, then its a matter of engineering the plumbing to get the turbos hooked up, but it appears its going to take a lot of unconvential tactics.
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:19 PM   #47
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you can do the rear mount system http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78090
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Old 11-15-2009, 05:51 PM   #48
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you can, but his results so far have been what i would classify as less than desirable.......
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you can, but his results so far have been what i would classify as less than desirable.......


He himself considers his a low-medium boost application, and made a lot of expedient compromises to get it done... but the twin scroll and unique controller system he was going for didn't quite materialize, iirc., had trouble sourcing parts.
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Yeah, let me modify my earlier statement. it "CAN" be done, but not worth it for the results vs. what you have to go through to get any reasonable results. That's WAY too long of a charge pipe to get the instant power I'm after, and I can achieve the results I'm after with the simple addition of the NO2, and/or a higher stall speed converter (which will be added after the cam). Either one being much less financial impact vs. fabricating a whole additional turbo setup.
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Yeah, let me modify my earlier statement. it "CAN" be done, but not worth it for the results vs. what you have to go through to get any reasonable results. That's WAY too long of a charge pipe to get the instant power I'm after, and I can achieve the results I'm after with the simple addition of the NO2, and/or a higher stall speed converter (which will be added after the cam). Either one being much less financial impact vs. fabricating a whole additional turbo setup.

hey what the hell, you have tickets for my thought train.......
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Ok, finally got to the point where I can use it. I seriously need a purge system for it though. I thought it didn't work at first because it completely shut down my engine the first few times I sprayed from a 2800 RPM launch, but after I got it rolling.....found out there were still a few air bubbles in the line.

I want to put this out there. This thing was stupid-fast to begin with, but when I sprayed, the car damned near launched off the ground. All I can say is, well worth it. I burned rubber from a 40mph roll with well-heated BFG GForce T/A drag radials.
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Old 11-22-2009, 08:23 AM   #53
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yea that shit is crazy, how big of a nozzle you running?
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Ok, finally got to the point where I can use it. I seriously need a purge system for it though. I thought it didn't work at first because it completely shut down my engine the first few times I sprayed from a 2800 RPM launch, but after I got it rolling.....found out there were still a few air bubbles in the line.

I want to put this out there. This thing was stupid-fast to begin with, but when I sprayed, the car damned near launched off the ground. All I can say is, well worth it. I burned rubber from a 40mph roll with well-heated BFG GForce T/A drag radials.

Same thing here man. I've been trying to get a purge valve but I haven't scraped up the money yet.
BTW how much does your local shop charge you for a refil? They charge me 4.75/lb here
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Ok, finally got to the point where I can use it. I seriously need a purge system for it though. I thought it didn't work at first because it completely shut down my engine the first few times I sprayed from a 2800 RPM launch, but after I got it rolling.....found out there were still a few air bubbles in the line.

Just curious what brand/model of nozzle are you using...
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Just curious what brand/model of nozzle are you using...
NX Shark Nozzle
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NX Shark Nozzle

Good on that one. I know there's been tons of issues with the NOS Fogger 2. I know someone who actually had the car lean out from the nitrous pressure pushing the fuel back in the line.
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Yeah, the Shark Nozzle has independent passages for both the fuel and the NO2, they just merge together in the open primary passage in the nozzle, so neither can affect the other. Good point Cliff. Actually, this is my first experience with NO2 on an EFI configuration. The last setup I had was a direct port NO2 injection system on a '70 Superbee, 440/6pack. Man, have you ever seen a tank get sideways from a 50mph roll? LOL


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yea that shit is crazy, how big of a nozzle you running?

It's not the size of the nozzle, it's the size of the jets

I'm actually not running that big of jets, it's the NO2 stacked with the turbo that gave it that rediculous amount of power. From a 40mph cruise roll (no boost), I hammered it, which kicked down the trans, pumped the RPM's, and threw me instantly into 10psi (street boost) and I then sprayed giving it that extra kick in the ass. Results = smoked the freaking meat off the rims.
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God that is so awesome.....
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Yeah, the Shark Nozzle has independent passages for both the fuel and the NO2, they just merge together in the open primary passage in the nozzle, so neither can affect the other. Good point Cliff. Actually, this is my first experience with NO2 on an EFI configuration. The last setup I had was a direct port NO2 injection system on a '70 Superbee, 440/6pack. Man, have you ever seen a tank get sideways from a 50mph roll? LOL


Sorry I missed this one earlier Gr1m:


It's not the size of the nozzle, it's the size of the jets

I'm actually not running that big of jets, it's the NO2 stacked with the turbo that gave it that rediculous amount of power. From a 40mph cruise roll (no boost), I hammered it, which kicked down the trans, pumped the RPM's, and threw me instantly into 10psi (street boost) and I then sprayed giving it that extra kick in the ass. Results = smoked the freaking meat off the rims.

Do you use a blowdown tube?
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