02-11-2011, 10:15 PM
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AutoCross Alero
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Texas
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3500 upper intake swap.
i need specifics on the upper intake swap, what all needs to be done, has anybody on here done the 3500 upper swap? i know Blackjack has but he hasnt been on in a while. besides the throttle body adapter, ive read about egr differences? just need some input.
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02-12-2011, 12:32 AM
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Aleromod part owner
Join Date: Nov 2003
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I think you also need a FPR bracket of some kind.
I would have done the 3500 upper, but stuck with the 3400 due to getting it for free 
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02-12-2011, 01:09 AM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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Ken, free is no excuse. I got some tinfoil that I'll give you for free, but I got a nickel that says you won't put it on your car. LOL
(Signed, the Barcastic Sastard)
James I can't give you the specifics for the 3500 upper swap, when I did mine it was a TOTAL custom setup. I didn't even have the entire neck from the upper. It was removed from the plenum and replaced with a 3" pipe with huge TB plate at the end, and custom angled to clear that big turbo.
Observe: http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...rbo/phase%202/
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02-12-2011, 01:33 AM
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AutoCross Alero
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Location: South Texas
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i have an email in to ben right now for best options for what i need, low end power is where its at for me, 0 to 70 mph. im 4 seconds off from the fastest bmw right now, 4 seconds is a life time on an autocross track.
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02-12-2011, 01:38 AM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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what size intake piping are you using?
I'm headed to work, and forums are blocked on our govt computer, so might be another 8-10 hours before I get back in here.
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02-12-2011, 10:00 AM
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AutoCross Alero
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whatever the cold air intakes are.
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02-12-2011, 02:08 PM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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If you have the "Naich-speed" original offered on Aleromod, I thought that was 3". Maybe I'm mistaken, might have been 2.5" But I know it wasn't any less than that.
I ask because if you're looking for low-end, you can start with ditching that CAI and switch to a WAI. That will give you a little bit on low end without much modifying, but it will take away some of your legs on mid-upper range. May be a fluke, but that's what I had happen to me way back pre-turbo days. Amazing how I can barely remember that time.
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02-12-2011, 03:02 PM
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AutoCross Alero
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i talked to ben, we are gonna setup a 3500 upper intake, ill be ordering it this weekend. im STILL waiting on my new springs and rear struts. i have all my new brakes stuff waiting for install.
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02-12-2011, 04:56 PM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Excellent. I'm certain you'll be pleased with it. I know I have enjoyed the gains from the upgrades.
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02-12-2011, 07:01 PM
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3500 DONE!
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Location: Albany, NY
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Nice...def have to do some pics of the install if possible 
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02-14-2011, 01:28 AM
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AutoCross Alero
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Location: South Texas
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what size is the factory MAF? im about to spend money on a 65mm T/b and it would be senseless if my stock maf is smaller.
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02-14-2011, 01:49 AM
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GLS member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jabartram
what size is the factory MAF? im about to spend money on a 65mm T/b and it would be senseless if my stock maf is smaller.
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2 5/8 inside diameter, you should do fine with a stock MAF. |
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02-14-2011, 02:22 AM
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That's 66.675mm for the mathematically challenged... Or lazy ones who don't want to convert it.
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02-15-2011, 04:24 PM
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2Screwy
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Location: South Dakota
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJack
James I can't give you the specifics for the 3500 upper swap, when I did mine it was a TOTAL custom setup. I didn't even have the entire neck from the upper. It was removed from the plenum and replaced with a 3" pipe with huge TB plate at the end, and custom angled to clear that big turbo.
Observe: http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...rbo/phase%202/ |
Here is the start of my custom 3500 UIM swap.....still have some cutting and grinding to do........
Now I am just waiting on the heater core/intercooler to machine the custom plate that will be welded onto this hacked up manifold..... |
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02-18-2011, 12:47 AM
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AutoCross Alero
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Texas
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finally ordered the 3500 intake setup tonight. i need a wiring diagram so i can make an adapter for the new style map sensor.
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02-18-2011, 01:54 AM
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Here ya go... Old and new..
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2004 Corvette Convertible M6
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02-18-2011, 10:33 PM
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Could the TB from the 3500 be used in the alero ?
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02-19-2011, 01:21 AM
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Aren't all 3500s drive-by-wire?
Not to say it's impossible, but it would certainly be a daunting installation.
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2004 Alero GX w/sport pkg - Sold, living somewhere in WI now.
2011 Saab 9-5 Turbo4 M6
2004 Corvette Convertible M6
1994 Chevy Beretta - Quad4/M5
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02-19-2011, 12:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kwhauck
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that thing had to be a rocket ship that screamed for hondas lol
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02-19-2011, 05:10 PM
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GLS member
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They make bigass throttle bodies that fit on the 3500 UIM just fine I know. No worries about DBW
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