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Old 12-30-2010, 03:23 AM   #1
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ACDelco PF47 v PF52

Hey crew!!

I was strongly thinking about using a PF52 filter on my next oil change. In fact, I'm going to do it. The PF52 is longer and has only 1/4 increased volume than the PF47. This will also be for my mom's 2002 Cavalier (2.2 OHV LN4)

After reseaching this, there are guys that have used this filter on 3100 Malibu's and one case of a 2000 Sunfire with the 2.2. They fit the block just fine, they are longer than the 47 and the guy with the Sunfire (his wife's car) said that it's easier to take it off than the 47 due to the extra lenght.

I use 5 quarts in my car and 4 in my mom's. The 3400 claims a 4.5 quart oil change and the Cavy claims a 4 quart. Not going to change the voulme of oil I use (or should I for my mom's car?)

The reason is I refuse to use the shitty "PF-47E" filters that are made in China. I do like the quality of the American made ACDelco filters more than any other filter I've seen.

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Old 12-30-2010, 11:34 AM   #2
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You've done filtration vs. flow tests on them? Reliability testing? You can't just collectively call everything made in China shitty. With ACDelco being quite a large company, it's naive to think that they are unable to maintain quality control in another country as well as our own.

Garrett has many locations where they manufacture their turbochargers. Mine could've been made in Mexico or any other foreign nation. They are still under exacting measures and precisely monitored for proper QC..
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There was another thread called "oil filters" that was examining something like this as well. With the PF52 go on a 3.4 as well? I was also looking into gettins something along these lines as well: http://www.autoanything.com/oil-filt...A2138A0A0.aspx
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You've done filtration vs. flow tests on them? Reliability testing? You can't just collectively call everything made in China shitty. With ACDelco being quite a large company, it's naive to think that they are unable to maintain quality control in another country as well as our own.

Garrett has many locations where they manufacture their turbochargers. Mine could've been made in Mexico or any other foreign nation. They are still under exacting measures and precisely monitored for proper QC..

QFT. I've been getting quite annoyed with the "USA products are infinitely better than foreign crap" attitudes lately.

Frankly speaking, just because it says "made in the USA" doesn't mean its parts aren't Chinese, and assembled here, or vise versa.


Huge companies lie about everything. It costs them nothing, and they make more money.
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You've done filtration vs. flow tests on them? Reliability testing? You can't just collectively call everything made in China shitty. With ACDelco being quite a large company, it's naive to think that they are unable to maintain quality control in another country as well as our own.

Garrett has many locations where they manufacture their turbochargers. Mine could've been made in Mexico or any other foreign nation. They are still under exacting measures and precisely monitored for proper QC..

Great response Ion, and I agree 100%
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i ran the pf52 for years, now i run the amsoil equivalent to the pf52.
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I like fram grippy filters.......lol
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I use the Auto-Xtra filters myself mostly because it cost me $3 for the filter at work
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then you stabbed it in the heart by using a fram filter
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:44 PM   #12
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Usually I can get either a Mobil 1 or K&N filter on sale when bundled with 5 quarts of Mobil 1 or Castrol Edge. Advance Auto or O'Reilly's tends to run a special every 6 months or so.....
I really don't think the longer filter makes that big of a difference - I have a smaller K&N filter on there now just because it gives me a bit more room to work.
I'm not a huge fan of the E-core filters, and their shortcomings are documented elsewhere if you search around.
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No it doesn't, I rescued it from a lonely life in a junkyard! I gave it a second life!!!

have you ever cut a fram filter apart? cut one open and compare the insides to amore expensive filter like the federal ones we use at work. all metal insides compared to cardboard in the fram.
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I too would never touch a FRAM filter unless using it for a baseball. Too many horror stories from them.
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QFT. I've been getting quite annoyed with the "USA products are infinitely better than foreign crap" attitudes lately.

Frankly speaking, just because it says "made in the USA" doesn't mean its parts aren't Chinese, and assembled here, or vise versa.


Huge companies lie about everything. It costs them nothing, and they make more money.

Look inside an "E" Chinese filter and an America made non "E" filter and reanswer
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I guess if it doesn't take over 2 years to produce a single part, it's not quality.
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oh crud...I've never used anything but fram or STP. What is the proven filter?
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I guess if it doesn't take over 2 years to produce a single part, it's not quality.

That doesn't have any relevance to the amount of bad parts I have received this year. Honestly, I don't know if you are trying to say I have taken 2 years to do something or just making a random post for your post count.
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