i dont get it.......

i dotn get this, everyone on this site is telling me that the 3.4 is so much quicker than the 2.4. ive looked up several articles and road tests on the vehicles and they are all saying the same thing. here is what i copied from one site. it seems to me that with the extra 180lbs to push and only 20 hp and 35lbft of torque that the v6 really isnt any quicker than the i4. but if you llook at what i copied it is only 2/10ths quicker.

2001 Oldsmobile Alero GL Coupe (GLS Sedan in parentheses)

Base Price $ 18,655 (20,875)
Price As Tested $ 19,835 (21,400)
ngine Type dual overhead cam 16-valve inline
4-cylinder
(12-valve pushrod overhead valve V6)
Engine Size 2.4 liters /
Horsepower 150 @ 5600 rpm (170 @ 4800 rpm)
Torque (lb-ft) 165 @ 2400 to 4400 rpm
(200 @ 4000 rpm)
Transmission 4-speed electronically-controlled
automatic
Wheelbase / Length 107.0 in. / 186.7 in.
Curb Weight 3026 lbs. (est 3200 lbs.)
Pounds Per Horsepower 20.2 (18.8)
Fuel Capacity 15.0 gal.
Fuel Requirement unleaded regular, 87 octane
Tires P215 / 60 SR15
B.F. Goodrich Touring T/A
(P225 / 50 SR15 Goodyear Eagle LS)
Brakes, front/rear vented disc / solid disc, antilock standard
Suspension, front/rear independent MacPherson strut /
independent tri-link strut with
coil springs
Drivetrain front engine, front-wheel drive

PERFORMANCE
EPA Fuel Economy - miles per gallon city / highway / observed
21 / 29 / 24 (20 / 28 / 23)
0 to 60 mph 8.0 sec (7.9)
1/4 mile (E.T.) 16.5 sec (16.3)
Coefficient of Drag (cd) 0.321

OPTIONS AND CHARGES
GL Coupe: (GLS sedan had no optional equipment)
6-way power driver's seat $ 305
AM/FM/cassette/CD stereo $ 200
Remote keyless entry $ 150
Destination charge (for both) $ 525

[kwhauck]

driver makes a world of difference, I ran a 15.3 with just a muffler and civic CAI

[Redog]

Are you asking why a V6 is faster than a I-4?

Boy I can't figure out either why a 170 HP V6 is faster than a 150 HP I-4, but I'm in the middle of trying to figure out why a Ford F-250 can tow more than a Chevy Aveo.

[SikMindz]

lol. What a jerk. But funny. Rephrase...HILARIOUS!

On average a 2.4L runs roughly 16.0-16.5 on average while the V6 N-Bodies run anywhere from 15.0-16.0. The low end torque with the 3400 would play a big part in that I would think. In the end, who cares. Spy's GA is a 2.4L and he's currently the fastest streetable N-Body running a 12.4.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

with N-bodies, the only replacement for displacement is MONEY.

Originally Posted by Redog

Are you asking why a V6 is faster than a I-4?

Boy I can't figure out either why a 170 HP V6 is faster than a 150 HP I-4, but I'm in the middle of trying to figure out why a Ford F-250 can tow more than a Chevy Aveo.

maybe you should read my whole post but then again you are probably wondering why a 110 hp 4 cylinder 600 cc bike is faster than a v10 viper its called power to weight ratio. rooster. if you read my post it says the weight difference between the 2. but the rest of these posts on this thread are the reason for my question. you all are still telling me something different than what several different magazine tests tell me. the driver thing i understand but most of the test drivers for car magazines are excellent drivers. so are the magazines drivers sandbagging for the readers sake.

[jayson_waltz]

20hp isn't such a huge difference like lots a people are saying. yea its noticable, but not a lot. i've got the 2.4 and I can beat my friends 4.3 V6 in his '94 C1500 2 door in a flat out highway drag & he is making about 190-195 HP. i have no performance parts, he was straight piped at the time.

thats what im saying. 20hp and 35lbft isnt much when you add almost 200 lbs to it.

[jayson_waltz]

very true

[Oldsnut]

Power to weight ratio I understand. Cars being tested by different drivers, one guy 140 the other 300, options and weight of those options on the car tested. Could be a million reasons why. Was one not performing properly, different octane fuel. Or maybe the drivers were sandbaggin it.

well i dunno guys. i got a 16.7 with a 5yr old in a car seat and about 75lbs worth of army shit in the trunk. next time i'll go alone and emty the trunk and spare and back seat. then we'll se what kinda times i get.

REmember that gearing plays a role here too.
Case in point: 3400-equipped Aleros have a 3.05:1 final-drive, while 2.4L Aleros have a 3.42:1 gearset. The shorter gearing helps the smaller moter to get into it's powerband quicker.

[jackal2000]

honestly? who gives a shit. it doesnt matter what motor you have in your alero because at the end of the day.....you're still slow.

[mustang_killer]

honestly? who gives a shit. it doesnt matter what motor you have in your alero because at the end of the day.....you're still slow.

Game, Point, Match. The best point made in this whole post.

I rather have a 5spd 2.4 or Ecotec, they have many performance parts and can be made very quick and I think cheaper than the 3400. When I had my 4 door Alero with Ecotec with header, exhaust, and intake, I raced a 4 door Alero with the 3400 and beat it from 0 to 80 by about 3 cars. From the beginning he only pulled like 1/2 car, and after that it was over. I have looked for 5spd Aleros in both the Ecotec and 2.4 and could only find a few in the country, very rare. Start doing some mods on your 2.4, even swap in a manual, because in the end, a manual will be quicker than an auto. Be happy with what you got and in the end you'll be happy.

[Redog]

Originally Posted by boostnsrt

maybe you should read my whole post but then again you are probably wondering why a 110 hp 4 cylinder 600 cc bike is faster than a v10 viper its called power to weight ratio. rooster. if you read my post it says the weight difference between the 2. but the rest of these posts on this thread are the reason for my question. you all are still telling me something different than what several different magazine tests tell me. the driver thing i understand but most of the test drivers for car magazines are excellent drivers. so are the magazines drivers sandbagging for the readers sake.

I might be a rooster, but you asked the question

i didnt ask why a v6 was faster than a i4. i asked why everyone on here is telling me one thing when all the magazine tests are telling me something different. the case in point was that everyone was saying the v6 would smoke the 2.4 by atleast a second in the 1/4 mile, but the magazine tests all say that it is only 2/10ths of a second faster.

[Redog]

Stock for stock the 2.4 cannot beat the 3.4, modded out without power adders it could be a close race and close money wise too

[jackal2000]

Originally Posted by boostnsrt

i didnt ask why a v6 was faster than a i4. i asked why everyone on here is telling me one thing when all the magazine tests are telling me something different. the case in point was that everyone was saying the v6 would smoke the 2.4 by atleast a second in the 1/4 mile, but the magazine tests all say that it is only 2/10ths of a second faster.

winning is winning. every racer knows that.



lawl

[Oldsnut]

Originally Posted by jackal2000

honestly? who gives a shit. it doesnt matter what motor you have in your alero because at the end of the day.....you're still slow.

Not unlees you find a way to stuff an Aurora V-8 into it.