New Car, New Subs

Hey guys I just got a new car... Im having to get rid of the alero due to too many problems.. anyway i had two 12 inch Visonik DVC subs in a ported box in the alero... Now i have an 01 Ford Escort ZX2 which feels like half the space... Theoretically the box i have will fit but it wont go thru either openings.... So ive been looking for boxes subs and anything i can to get a system to fit... I think i have decided that a single sub setup in a conventional box will be good until i can afford to fiberglass a pair of subs in... So the single sub is going to have to be better than the two i have combined(shouldnt be a problem). I listen to mostly rock and Sound quality is a BIG issue for me. i want it CLEAN.... Yet i dont want it to sound wimpy.... So i need some suggestions and comments... I found this

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-viiecxVz0xt/c...510&I=575PL3112

Which is a lil high

And i was also thinking about some Alpine type S's I cant afford the Type X's but they appear to be bad ass....

I will settle for either 10 or 12 inch subs.

Jeremy


P.S. also need amp suggestions.I currently have a 1000watt Profile California Mono amp. Am willing to buy another amp if needed

[Coldfire]

I always have thought that 10" subs sounded good for rock music. I personally have 2X 10" bazooka subs with a traditional box and stored them in my dad's '99 ZX2 (they weren't hooked up or anything) but they did fit.

Maybe i should also add i would also like to use the trunk from time to time lol for those that want to know it has an 11 cubic foot trunk versus the aleros nearly 15 cube

[violentrapture]

I'd recommend either an SS RL-p or SI Mag - the 12" versions of both are designed for small sealed (.75-1.5 ft.^3), and are really superb SQL drivers.

~vR

What brands??

[violentrapture]

SS RL-p = SoundSplinter:

12" RL-p link

SI Mag = Stereo Integrity:

12" Mag link

~vR

Couple questions and coments on the 2 you reccomended. First Have you heard these yourself??? Second the 1st one is that 600-700 RMS??? The amp i have is 500 watts RMS at 2 Ohms with 1000 max... The second one seems nice but i am afraid that my amp wont have enough juice to power it.. I also noticed it uses a paper cone....

Any info and more suggestions is always appreciated!

J

[violentrapture]

I have indeed heard both - the SI I heard was a 15 though - still sounded incredible. The RL-p works great with 600-700W RMS as the site says, the SI is rated for 900W RMS.

Regarding paper cones - check what Velodyne (SPL1000 I think it is?), Tidal audio, Scan Speak, some of Seas' drivers I believe, Morel, etc. use. :P

With the power you have availble, you might want to check into Image Dynamics subs also - their IDQ line might be perfect for you, also a bit cheaper. I just picked up a couple of 10" IDv.3s last night to put in my girlfriend's car... two 10s sealed going in the back of a '98 beetle with trunk space left over:

Sounds great man! I Definately want trunk space lol I was thinking about going down to 1 12 or maybe 2 10s again i have a fairly small trunk and i still want to be able to use it lol

Man this is rough trying to choose which one is right for me is hard!!! Ive read on the SI and ppl seem to say its the best SQ sub... Then again the other two(ID and SS) Sound tempting as well for the prices.... Again the sub must also be as loud if not louder than the 2 12's that i had... I only need one sub this time around due to lack of space... The 12's had a RMS rating of 300 RMS. These here:

http://www.visonikcaraudio.com/sub/product...bwoofers_5.html

and heres my amp

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-2z1Yn7l6byP/c...20&I=489AP1000M


Please help me in my decision... ANother thing... I had a ported box before... SHould i go back to ported or go with a sealed box???

[violentrapture]

Well, if the amp does 500@1@2, I'd say an ID IDQ12-D4 would be perfect in just under 1ft.^3 sealed - you could call ID and get an enclosure recommendation.

If you're worried about loud - few years back somebody pulled over 150 with 2 ID 12s at dB Drag finals.

Just remember - it's all about install.

~vR

hehe thanks man I had been leaning towards those IDs anyway! If u have any more information to give me i will gladly accept it!

[violentrapture]

Well, the guy I bought those 2 10s from is selling 2 of the IDQ12-D4s - he wants $225 shipped for both - I'd offer $100 shipped for one.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.p...2&highlight=IDQ

Those IDQs go for $160 ea. before shipping on cardomain.com

As you can see in the thread, I drove 10hrs. roundtrip to go pick up the 10s... Jeremy is a great guy to deal with and that'd be an awesome deal for one of those - if you do message him, tell him I'd be interested in picking up the 2nd one if he doesn't want to separate.

Cheers,
~vR

[pimpalero2003]

ok some people are going to hate this but at lease there not entry level i have 2 audiobauhn flame Qs 12 the freaking pound but there just for now i got them cheap and im going to sell them when i get my new stuff but if u want some subs send me a PM and i can give u prices

[violentrapture]

Nothing wrong with some Flame Qs! They're going to be quite power hungry compared to what his amp is putting out though - out of curiosity, what's the model number on them and how much are you looking for per sub?

~vR

[mikegett]

The IDQ's are a very nice sub and can be bought for a reasonable price. Most subs can be geared toward a sond quality, it deepends more on how much air space, box quality, and amplifiier quality to deliver it. The IDQ is perfect since it requires very little air to get the broad frequency ranges. Your main issue is the amplifier. If your previous subs sounded good, then you should be fine. However, if you want a cleaner sound then a decent box will be needed to compensate for the amp. Profiles are one of the worst sounding amps I have ever used and hold a very small damping factor. This is the calculation on how well the amp can control your drivers. The lower the damping factor the less control the amp has and more distortion. Since the IDQ is a very well made sub it will need less damping than another brand. But to get the best sound ensure your box is very well made. 3/4 should be the bare minimum on the thickness. If you are going with two subs then kick it up to one inch mdf. And no matter how small the box is, place braces in all corners. One to sheets of sound deadoner will help to reduce the deflection from the sound waves as well. Good luck and keep us posted.

Wow thanks for the insight on the amp! Im Very new to amps in general... Can u possibly reccomend me a good amp around the same price range??? I will go up to 300 for an amp if need be....

Ive been looking for a sealed box for the IDq... SO i need some help what are the advantages and disadvantages in the size of the box (cubic feet)? I noticed it reccomended between .55 -1 cubic foot

[violentrapture]

Amp suggestions might be a Phoenix Gold X400.1 (can find for about $200) or JL Audio 500/1 (can usually find one in the $300 range).

As far as the box - sealed boxes require a little bit more power to get the output, but yield a flatter response. As long as you're within the recommended box size you'll be fine - you might have fun downloading WinISD: http://www.linearteam.dk/default.aspx?pageid=winisd and seeing what it recommends.

~vR

Hey all im back lol.... Still in the market for a sub... So From this post im still looking at those IDQ's... I want one 12 inch sub. again SQ is a BIG issue for me. My visoniks sounded good for a while and now they are loosing what quality they had.... I have bumped my price range for a sub up to 400.... Subs MUST sound good but also need to be loud.... I dont care what kind of power they need... If they need it i will find it... Second question... Audiobahn aw1206t... Anyone heard these and can tell me how they are for SQ??? Also Need reccomendations for good SQ amps as well... I wanna do this new car right so a fresh install is in order...

Thanks in advance

J