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Old 03-03-2004, 10:51 PM   #21
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Originally posted by haulmarc@Mar 3 2004, 09:35 PM
canuck, if you looked at it on an auto xray diagnostic scanner in realtime you would clearly see that most if not all stock tachs respond slowly and overtach on acceleration. the scanner reads off the computer. the tach is analog and is inherently slow. aftermarket tachs otoh are more accurate.
Just an observation, generally digital readings are slower than analog, since they have to undergo A/D conversion first, that may be why the computer says its slower. And most aftermarket guages typically use the same method of extracting data, IOW, it is no or less acurate than the stock one.
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Old 03-03-2004, 10:58 PM   #22
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not to make an issue here so ill retract my statements and advise all racers to use alero tachs for racing. maybe autometer should close up shop to. j/k

all i said that the tach is not accurate and further ill say it may read 2-300 rpms out from true. ive burned enough chips and read enough runs on my laptop info for my camaro and others to know how bad tachs can be.
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:33 AM   #23
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I'm not trying to start an argument but before you compare one vehicles flaws with another you should know there are some things to be taken into account before making a stament that equipment is junk.

I'm not saying that one guage is more accurate than another, but think about it if the method of gathering data is iffy then no matter how accurate the guage its only as good as the collection device, I would esp expect this from a CPS used for engine speed.

Before I go any further does the alero have a gear driven tach or an electric sensor on the crank? What about the camaro? and what yr? Ive done enough with A/D and D/A conversions to know that they take time and can cause discrepancies between devices. The thing to remember is that analog devices, like most tachs, are constantly moitoring a source. Whereas digital is just a sampling at constant timepoints, albeit rather small. In other words digital sources are more prone to error than analog sources. However if the tach in a vehicle is not gear driven analog style and is a secondary output from the PCM or ECU then it may very well be a few fractions of a second behind. I've seen this when looking at designs for building datalogging devices for FMUs as well as the resulting datalogs.

You said the tach climbs faster than the computer, which would lead me to believe, at least in the case of the alero, that it is a true engine speed, and the ECU is trailing, since if the tach was off it would trail not lead. Yet, both the ECU and the tach agree, at least on my car, as to when the fuel shut off adn rev limit is to occur and they agree on the hard code in the ECU and number on the dash. However w/o knowing how the alero or the camaro drives the tach and the ECU I'm not real sure which is more accurate, I can see the case for both. Its just kinda wrong to say that b/c you see disrepencies on one vehicle that does not mean its true on another, esp. w/o know all the specifics.
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Old 03-08-2004, 01:42 PM   #24
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I've only ever seen an Alero with the 3400 rev up to aproxx 5900 MAX with manual shifting...after that the car just kicks around that RPM and doesn't move anyfaster...and prolly gets damaged doing it too...the 2.4L 5 Speed can rev up to 6500 MAX.
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Old 03-08-2004, 07:05 PM   #25
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the sound you are hearing is the serpentine belt slipping...with the autotrans turned up a lil...i can get it to do it every time i go WOT...so that is most likely the sound your hearing
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Old 03-08-2004, 09:59 PM   #26
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I've got the 2.4L and from a dead stop, throttle mashed to the floor mine shifts at 6700 rpm. I personally don't think that hurts the engine one bit.
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Old 03-09-2004, 02:49 PM   #27
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^how the hell did u get it to do that? I got the manual tranny and my engine kicks back at me when it hits 6500 RPM....maybe u're tac is wrong....
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Originally posted by jturkey69@Mar 8 2004, 07:05 PM
the sound you are hearing is the serpentine belt slipping...with the autotrans turned up a lil...i can get it to do it every time i go WOT...so that is most likely the sound your hearing
Nah I know it was definatly the tires. My tires have a unique sound to them. I sepentine belt has slipped before and its a diffeant sound.
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