Push Button Ignition...

[cherrington17]

has anyone ever installed a push button ignition, where, how?

where did you get the stuff....

its something i've wondered about getting... but if its problematic, forget it.


Thanks

[b-spot]

Mount the remote for your remote starter in your dash :lol:

[cherrington17]

interesting rendition.... but... nah. :lol:

[2fst4u]

you should wire the hazard light for ignition. then but an alternate button in for the hazards. that would be sweet. i doubt it would be very hard either. maybe i'll look into it.

[cherrington17]

thats what i was thinking about.... lol

it'd be easy to access.... i'd just pull the switch out and clean the hazard symbol off of it.

i just want to know HOW to do it. and if anyone who has done it has problems with it...

if its a major PITA mod, after installed, then i won't bother.

[cherrington17]

i found these...

how to... http://www.lildevilmotorsports.com/instruc...ec8f1a29a483d0a (http://www.lildevilmotorsports.com/instructions/pushbutton.pdf?osCsid=f4c8ce45159cacce7ec8f1a29a48 3d0a)

and switches... ($40-$80?) :wtf:
http://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/IGNITED_...NAL_p_3866.html (http://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/IGNITED_PERFORMANCE_PUSH_BUTTON_IGNITION_SWITCH_TH E_ORIGINAL_p_3866.html)
http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.aspx?p...bcategoryID=194 (http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.aspx?partfamilyid=491&CategoryID=28&SubcategoryID=194)


(i pirated redog's shifter boot pic here...)
http://invision.aleromod.com/uploads/post-2-1082331685.jpg

since i don't have an ets button, i think a little momentary push button right below the shifter would make for a nice ignition spot. maybe i'll swing my RadioShack this weekend and see what they have along those lines.... :biggrin:

[eag182]

Push button, the ultimate lazyness. I say go for it!

[jamcllw]

Go to autozone a simple push button is about $5. Wire it in. Your still going to have to have your key in the ignition or your going to run into issues with the Passlock system. The only reason you would need to do this on a daily driven car is if the ingition switch went bad and you needed a cheap quick fix.

[smlzalero]

Originally posted by 2fst4u@Jan 9 2006, 11:49 AM
you should wire the hazard light for ignition.
Quoted post

beat me to it... well, you both did.

Or if you wanted to make more work for yourself, you could put it where the key ignition is now.

you know you just want to feel like you're starting the batmobile :P

[jackal2000]

Originally posted by jamcllw@Jan 9 2006, 11:14 PM
Go to autozone a simple push button is about $5. Wire it in. Your still going to have to have your key in the ignition or your going to run into issues with the Passlock system. The only reason you would need to do this on a daily driven car is if the ingition switch went bad and you needed a cheap quick fix.
Quoted post

this guy knows his sh!t

[cherrington17]

i'm not looking to get rid of the key all together... just add a little more flair to the car. if you were going to wire a switch where the hazard is, i'd use a piezo switch. (expensive, but effective for ignitions)

the more i think about it, the more i don't want to do it. so far all my mods are removable, when the event of my graduation comes around, i won't be able to spend any more on this. and something like that is just asking for problems.... :(

[brim]

I was in an accident and have sticks for fingers making turning the key a 45 minute job, this looks like a good alternate

[brim]

and on a more related note, I used to have a customer with an old Ford (E150...) Van, his cylinder quit and he used the push button as an alternate.

Newer cars you have to deal with the passlock, theftlock, etc... to gain access, older cars you could have wired up without the key if you wanted

[slowandlow]

my brother in law just got a masda speed 6 and hsi has a remote and no key but you have to turn tcar but you just dont need a key. he switch like a normal


i have remote start on mine and no problems i have a 01

[Spilner521]

i was thinking about this too....but instead of having a key and a button, setting it up like the new lexus'....there's no key just a key fob and when you get in the car, the car senses that the fob is somewhere inside, then you have to push the brake and push the start button to start the car. it'd be hard to set up....but would definitely be a nice touch. also, on those cars all you have to do is walk up to the door, not touching anything or any buttons, and it senses the fob and unlocks the door for you. they're pretty nice.

[doubleN0alero]

Originally posted by Spilner521@Jan 25 2006, 05:06 AM
i was thinking about this too....but instead of having a key and a button, setting it up like the new lexus'....there's no key just a key fob and when you get in the car, the car senses that the fob is somewhere inside, then you have to push the brake and push the start button to start the car. it'd be hard to set up....but would definitely be a nice touch. also, on those cars all you have to do is walk up to the door, not touching anything or any buttons, and it senses the fob and unlocks the door for you. they're pretty nice.
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The Cadillac STS is the same way. You dont hav eto unlock anything...when you're walking towards the car, it will open the doors..then you just get in and push the button and drive. I think you may have to lock it when you walk away, but I'm not sure. I think that sort of deal is doing nothing more than making people lazy and its only a matter of time that people start losing that fob or locking their keys in the car etc. I mean now you grab your keys cause you need them to get in your car and start it...but what about when you just "think" that your car knows you and just unlocks.

[cherrington17]

i've actually seen those systems in action. its pretty sweet.

and you can't lock your keys in the car. if you leave the keyfob in there (its attatched to the key) the doors will NOT lock, because it senses the key in the vehicle. same deal with the trunk.

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by cherrington17@Jan 25 2006, 12:21 PM
i've actually seen those systems in action. its pretty sweet.

and you can't lock your keys in the car. if you leave the keyfob in there (its attatched to the key) the doors will NOT lock, because it senses the key in the vehicle. same deal with the trunk.
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exactly..the car ends up being smarter than you :thumb: it'd be nice to come up with a way to make this work on our cars. i've been looking into it for a little while, but nothing yet.

[cherrington17]

i'm guessing the system alone would require you to rewire nearly everything in the front end dash area, and trunk. by push button ignition, i didn't mean that high end.... thats too much work.

if you want that, save yourself the time and frustration and buy a acrura/caddy/bmw..etc.

[cherrington17]

ressurecting an old-y here. any one willing to figure out how to do a complete keyless system? the method i'm thinking of, would require:
-a 3 position rotary switch. Off-Acc-Batt
-a momentary toggle (with a saftey cover) for the ignition
- hidden killswitch (so some honkey couldn't just swipe your ride)

the first one i'm having trouble finding....

I know the passlock would require a resistor inline with the ignition... but how do you go about doing a complete keyless method? (i'd leave the key cylinder there.... just for the hilarity of someone trying to steal my keys)

[AftermathAlero]

already did this. http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14031&highlight=keyless+ignition

[cherrington17]

funny thing is.. i even commented on that thread. :lol:

i thought for sure you didn't do a keyless system, but apparently i just can't read....

relays, wiring and connectors.. hmm... just need a good site for a big variety of switches... or a place to put switches that are easy to reach, but arent obvious...

[Satsuriku]

ya i would kill to know how this is done, if we had a damn good how-to and i have lots of time on my hands and is fairly inexpensive, i would soo do it!!

[nixon]

sorry for a old thread revival but I'm new around here just got a 2001 5spd alero and I'm looking into a push button start to take place of the hazard button. Does the 2001 have the passlock or whatever it is that will give me a pain in the ass time trying to wire up the push button? If so..f that.

[Cliff8928]

Yep, it does have passlock. It can be disabled however.

[lonnie]

already did this. http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14031&highlight=keyless+ignition
Post a how to....no one wants to figure it out...LOL

[Nate's Alero]

Post a how to....no one wants to figure it out...LOL

i posted a similar thread when i was new, no one answered me...

[natedawg9640]

how do you disable the passlock... mine is getting pretty bad and i don't want to buy a new ignition cylinder

[Gr1m]

it requires 2 relays, 2 switches and 1 push button theres a hint for you

[rowdygls]

how do you disable the passlock... mine is getting pretty bad and i don't want to buy a new ignition cylinder

I believe you can disable this with a tuner as this was something that was done when my car got tuned.

[zzyzzx]

I can't imagine why anyone would want one of these.

[nixon]

its extra work but eh...just gives me a "flashy" mod to do in my spare time if im bored....makes all the ladies go omg thats so cool..haha

[lonnie]

i posted a similar thread when i was new, no one answered me...No one answered you because no one else but aftermath has done this mod I think, and he would be the only one I would take a how to from, but I understand that its a bitch to put one together so I was just throwing it out there since he mentioned that he has done this mod....Most of us I'll say knew he did this mod.

[Vinalero]

Grim has done this mod also

[meadus101]

We did it on a buddy's focus. Just wired an button into the start wire coming from the cylinder.

[clutch1]

As posted by aftermath.. to bypass passlock:

Its simple, Without cutting the wires yet, check the resistance in the yellow passlock wire and the black ground of passlock. Then goto radioshack or electronic store and get the same resistance resistor and solder in. (only cost a couple of cents). Then its permently bypassed. Same thing using the DEI 555L module, but don't cost anything. hehehe Most alarm shops will sell you that module to make money off of you when doing the remote start. If your lucky to find a shop that don't have the make money the easy quick way, they won't sell you the module and they'll solder in a resistor instead. Depends on who you go to for installment.



After you do that it's just a matter of doing the wiring for the wires from your ignition cyl, put them all on switches (one for on/acc, one for run.. I'm sure there's more), and put a pushbutton on the crank wire.
Obviously it's a little more complex, but as long as you know basic car wiring/ how to wire up relays you'll be fine.

[cliffordwoeller]

hmmmmm interesting

[jhubbz]

Thread revive!! So I'm just trying to put in a push button in addition to the keyed ignition. My thinking is, if I have the keyed ignition in the RUN position, and have a button spliced into the START wire, will that start it up?

Also, I think the wire needed is yellow and runs to the IGN-SW BATT1 fuse thats under the hood.

Any input??? I don't want to try this and destroy it all because of one dumb mistake.

[jhubbz]

Ok, so a couple months later and I've figured it out. Will post up pics later. Very pleased :)

[spc2125]

Ok, so a couple months later and I've figured it out. Will post up pics later. Very pleased :)

AHHHHH IVE WANTED TO DO THIS FOR SOOOO LONG!!!!!!!

is it possible to post a vid :p

[Papa Rad17]

A how to please. This would really add some class

[xXManwhoreXx]

Really.....

[a.graham52]

iv been throwing the idea aroun d of adding an extra security feature. What id like to do is wire the cigar lighter in series with the "start" wire via a relay. Then when to start the car u have to push the cigar lighter in to get it to crank. Idk if i want to dissable the lighter heat element or not.

[Gr1m]

i have a whole diagram drawn out that i posted up somewhere.

[jhubbz]

Mine is not the greatest setup but it works. I'll try to add to someone's how to later. I looked around the site for how to pics but I think they were made before the big server crash/change-over a few years ago

[Gr1m]

here this is for a 2 relay, 2 switch, 1 push button setup:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q67/alero88/pushstart.jpg


you could really do as many relays and switches as you wanted though.

[Gr1m]

seems like theres so much interest in something until someone actually posts it up then it dies out...think this is the 3rd thread ive posted this in and it just dies...

[jhubbz]

I'll post em up tonight. Hopefully that'll spark some interest

[billytheman1188]

seems like theres so much interest in something until someone actually posts it up then it dies out...think this is the 3rd thread ive posted this in and it just dies...

Wel...remember....most people dont know how to read a wiring diagram. Gotta "dumb it down" a little bit...

[Gr1m]

it doesnt get much easier then that.

heres my how to: cut the ignition cylinder out and you have all of those wires that are at the top of my diagram. follow where they go and your done. turn on the 2 toggle switches to engage the 2 relays and then press your push start.

[jhubbz]

All right kiddies, here ya go.

This is an ebay-purchased kit that was under the title "Push-to-start". Keep in mind, with the mod I did, I still have to have the key in the ON position. It is not a stand-alone ignition solution. I'm sure if I really wanted to, I could introduce relays and switches to make it a true keyless ignition, but this is just a simple Push-button start addition to the keyed ignition.

I can also still use the key to start the car normally, if need be.

What the kit comes with:
One push button starter with power wires running out the back
One relay box
two optional mounting screws for relay box
two optional pieces of double sided tape for relay box
two rubber gaskets
one screw-on fastener for back of button

http://i43.tinypic.com/jr5vgw.jpg

I decided to mount mine in place of the hazard switch, while relocating the hazard elsewhere. I started by taking the center vent out, along with the gauge cluster and unmounting the hazard switch from its position:

http://i44.tinypic.com/206ijbs.jpg

Then I push the wiring from the button through the hole and put the gaskets on either side respectively along with screwing the fastener on the back tight. This was actually a perfect-fit hole, I was very surprised.

http://i41.tinypic.com/29x7pcp.jpg

After that, I took the relay box wiring and spliced the red wire into a switched power source (I used the purple wire from the gauge cluster), if you don't use a switch source, the LED will be on all the time. Then grounded to the body with the black wire. The two blue wires go to the fat RED power wire and the fat YELLOW ignition wire in the igition wiring pack. They are basically skipping the ignition switch when they are engaged. Sorry no pic.

For the next part, you can do a couple things. You have to disable PASSLOCK. This is the part I got hung up on. You can either :
1) use a module like the DEI 555L (which I tried and did not work, although not sure if I wired it correctly), or you can
2) Find the resistance of your key by using a multimeter and cutting the yellow PASSLOCK wire while the key is in the ON position and bridging the KEY SIDE of the yellow wire to the BLACK ground wire, then using a series of resistors connect the BCM side of the yellow wire to the BLACK ground wire, or in my case,
3) Use a simple ON/OFF switch and bridge the yellow PASSLOCK wire. In order to do this, the car must be running. Once running, cut the yellow wire, splice the switch into either side of the yellow wires, and make sure the switch is in the ON position. Once all spliced in, flip the switch to OFF. I wrapped electrical tape around it, so its switched to that position. NOTE: this method will disable the security system and leave the security light on. I just took that bulb out lol.

http://i42.tinypic.com/344tvgo.jpg

Turn the car off, wait a few minutes and start it up normally. If it works, awesome, if not, try one of the other methods.

Turn the car off, connect the wiring from the button to the relay box. Turn the key to ON position. Push your beautiful new Engine Start button and bask in its gloriousness!

http://i40.tinypic.com/2u71rth.jpg

[Gr1m]

oh. my diagram is for a keyless push start.

[Papa Rad17]

Hmmmm

[billytheman1188]

oh. my diagram is for a keyless push start.

where do you have the two switches for the relays mounted? Did you put the push button where the ignition was? Get a pic up! :)

[Gr1m]

my cars interior is still stripped lol. i plan to have it in center console

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q67/alero88/IMG_0119.jpg

[spc2125]

want to do this mod soo bad

p.s whered u put the hazard switch?

[Gr1m]

well i glassed over and shaved the stock hole for the hazard switch. its going to just stay on the inside of the dash and wont be accessible.

[lonnie]

here this is for a 2 relay, 2 switch, 1 push button setup:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q67/alero88/pushstart.jpg


you could really do as many relays and switches as you wanted though.I personally think you should label those better!

[clutch1]

A darn good way.. Buy a keyless PTS kit from somewhere... this will work even slicker than just wiring up some toggles and a button to crank.

Install it essentially like a RS. Use a few relays and a resistor matched to the internal resistance inside the key cyl for the passlock bypass. Relays should be wired to trigger with ignition.

The resistor goes from the cut yellow passlock wire on the BCM side to the black passlock wire. and a relays closes that circuit to create the bypass.

From there it's cake.. disable steering lock, that's about it.


If you're making it yourself. Use toggles to trigger relays to power brown/orange wires for ACC, Pink/White for IGN (if I remember my colors right), make sure to have the ignition toggle activate that relay/resistor bypass. Finally, use a push button to power up the yellow wire.. that's the starter.

Get around the wheel lock somehow and you're done.

[spc2125]

itching to do this mod.... just trying to comprehend all this electronics lingo

[Papa Rad17]

All right kiddies, here ya go.

This is an ebay-purchased kit that was under the title "Push-to-start". Keep in mind, with the mod I did, I still have to have the key in the ON position. It is not a stand-alone ignition solution. I'm sure if I really wanted to, I could introduce relays and switches to make it a true keyless ignition, but this is just a simple Push-button start addition to the keyed ignition.

I can also still use the key to start the car normally, if need be.

What the kit comes with:
One push button starter with power wires running out the back
One relay box
two optional mounting screws for relay box
two optional pieces of double sided tape for relay box
two rubber gaskets
one screw-on fastener for back of button

http://i43.tinypic.com/jr5vgw.jpg

I decided to mount mine in place of the hazard switch, while relocating the hazard elsewhere. I started by taking the center vent out, along with the gauge cluster and unmounting the hazard switch from its position:

http://i44.tinypic.com/206ijbs.jpg

Then I push the wiring from the button through the hole and put the gaskets on either side respectively along with screwing the fastener on the back tight. This was actually a perfect-fit hole, I was very surprised.

http://i41.tinypic.com/29x7pcp.jpg

After that, I took the relay box wiring and spliced the red wire into a switched power source (I used the purple wire from the gauge cluster), if you don't use a switch source, the LED will be on all the time. Then grounded to the body with the black wire. The two blue wires go to the fat RED power wire and the fat YELLOW ignition wire in the igition wiring pack. They are basically skipping the ignition switch when they are engaged. Sorry no pic.

For the next part, you can do a couple things. You have to disable PASSLOCK. This is the part I got hung up on. You can either :
1) use a module like the DEI 555L (which I tried and did not work, although not sure if I wired it correctly), or you can
2) Find the resistance of your key by using a multimeter and cutting the yellow PASSLOCK wire while the key is in the ON position and bridging the KEY SIDE of the yellow wire to the BLACK ground wire, then using a series of resistors connect the BCM side of the yellow wire to the BLACK ground wire, or in my case,
3) Use a simple ON/OFF switch and bridge the yellow PASSLOCK wire. In order to do this, the car must be running. Once running, cut the yellow wire, splice the switch into either side of the yellow wires, and make sure the switch is in the ON position. Once all spliced in, flip the switch to OFF. I wrapped electrical tape around it, so its switched to that position. NOTE: this method will disable the security system and leave the security light on. I just took that bulb out lol.

http://i42.tinypic.com/344tvgo.jpg

Turn the car off, wait a few minutes and start it up normally. If it works, awesome, if not, try one of the other methods.

Turn the car off, connect the wiring from the button to the relay box. Turn the key to ON position. Push your beautiful new Engine Start button and bask in its gloriousness!

http://i40.tinypic.com/2u71rth.jpg

just scroll up a bit..

[Mason]

http://www.autoloc.com/catalog/Push-Button-Engine-Start-Kits/Handsfree-Engine-Start-System-with-Keyless-Entry

[spc2125]

i like the $25 version better :P