Un Governed

[rogan19]

can my 2.4l be un governed how can i turn it off cant get past 105mph

[cherrington17]

for track purposes only, you can get a new computer chip for it.

pfyc sells them i believe. do a search on the site for PCM or DHP, and you should find about a hundred threads about this...

[alerored04]

cherrington im pretty sure that since this is in the 2.4 section that he has that motor, the dhp that he referred to will not work with your car it is only for the 3400. im pretty sure that one just came out but it super expensive, im not sure of the name or where to get it, do a search and it will turn up for you.

[cherrington17]

^doh... sry. i didn't know the DHP was 3400 only.

:Noooo: there i go, acting like i know stuff again...

[strtrydr]

You might wana check out HPtuners; I remember it being talked about on here before for the 2.4...

...Just my .02

[Alero2k4]

yep, check out hptuners and you can, your best bet for this stuff is over on j-body.org.

[alerored04]

thats the one i was thinking of but couldnt remember the name of it for the life of me.

[derek_ski99]

why do you need to go faster than 105mph? you're going to kill someone or yourself.

our cars cant get there in the 1/4 either so its pointless.

[2fst4u]

what about the salt flats? or the unmarked roads in Arizona? as long as you beef up your car to handle the speed, it shouldn't be a problem. i understand what you're saying though derek.

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by derek_ski99@Apr 5 2006, 09:46 PM
why do you need to go faster than 105mph? you're going to kill someone or yourself.

our cars cant get there in the 1/4 either so its pointless.
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we'll see come spring/summer time.... :thumb: :thumb:

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by derek_ski99@Apr 5 2006, 09:46 PM
our cars cant get there in the 1/4 either so its pointless.
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spy's doin it now...and i'm sure spilner will be right there too

[battistoni21]

yeah if im not mistaken, spy cooked that corvette........ thats pretty sad that a 4 cyl beat an 8

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

^ already been discussed, probably not a C6 for real....but Spy's time was impressive, and he said he could have done better had he not had the governator lol

(say it like Ah-nold...haha)

But if you honestly don't go to the track, leave the limiters in there until you have the suspension, brakes, and driving skill to handle that speed. Don't need the paramedics to bring spatulas to the crash site.

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by AlbinoMonkeyRat@Apr 6 2006, 09:59 AM
But if you honestly don't go to the track, leave the limiters in there until you have the suspension, brakes, and driving skill to handle that speed. Don't need the paramedics to bring spatulas to the crash site.
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couldn't have said it better myself

[halfJ99]

Originally posted by derek_ski99@Apr 5 2006, 08:46 PM
why do you need to go faster than 105mph? you're going to kill someone or yourself.

our cars cant get there in the 1/4 either so its pointless.
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wow first time i;ve agreed with you on somthing :)...let me tell you how to go over 105...if you press the pedal a little farther you will hit 107 ....if you feeling the need to go faster then that on public roads...then aim the car twords the nearest cliff, i swear the 107 will be fast enough for you then

[UnoWHO]

Bleh i get so tried of hearing the same bullpoop talk when this comes up everytime, Answer the kids question, thats all, Dont tell him he doesnt need it, thats not what he asked stfu about to fast its his decision let him live with it.

[cherrington17]

um... if you know something negative could result, its our moral obligation to mention it, since it might save him some time or money.

as well as the negative, might be something the asking person, has never thought about.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

okay, here's the answer to his three questions in one unpunctuated sentence:
Yes it can I don't know and don't f***ing do that idiot

[Alero2k4]

What I don't understand about all this oh it's too fast, it's too fast...BLAH BLAH BLAH. If it's too fast for you, stay at the speed limit. I am sure this will get deleted, but I have been up to 140. It all depends on your abilities (as well as the cars). So it's too fast?? I can go get in an Eclipse and run up to 150 MPH....WTF!?!?!? Stock governer for our cars is at 107, sure it is a safety thing for those who can's handle it...BUT the fact is that many people can handle speeds well beyond that, if you can't who cares, don't do it. But quit telling those who want to that they shouldn't, can't handle it, their car can't handle it whatever. Have you ever had your Alero to 140(not that I have)??? No, then don't say it cant handle it. It's like saying there's no such thing as a million dollars...

/rant off

:biggrin:

[Rubered00]

I am glad to see that some people are finally standing up to the people on this site who always female dog about driving fast. I belong to 3 different 350z forums and i would bet that atleast 1/3 of the posts are about different street races and highway runs and everyone loves reading about them.

Do you think that by telling him it's a bad idea that it's going to stop him. Probably not. By allowing it to be talked about is it going to enocurage someone else to want to drive that fast, maybe, but probably not. People will drive that fast if they want to matter what and those that dont want to wont, doesn't mean they have to ruin it for everyone else.

Instead of telling him why not to drive that fast what you should be doing is telling him what he needs to do to prepare his car for those speeds, cause he will most likely go that fast no matter what you say. wow this is long but this had been building for awhile, this site is a little rediculous on it's "speed/racing" policies or whatever you wanna call them.

[Lovestheh20]

Alero2k4 your statement is....dissapointing, skills or no skills, if the car doesn't have the speed upgrades needed to go that fast the best driver in the world isn't gonna handle it....

somebody needs to make a post about chips for the purpose of driving faster than 107, and what you should put into consideration of other parts, etc.. before getting a chip (on the track ofcourse..)

that way these threads don't turn into a huge steaming pile of crap.

[Alero2k4]

Originally posted by Lovestheh20@Apr 11 2006, 05:27 PM
Alero2k4 your statement is....dissapointing, skills or no skills, if the car doesn't have the speed upgrades needed to go that fast the best driver in the world isn't gonna handle it....

somebody needs to make a post about chips for the purpose of driving faster than 107, and what you should put into consideration of other parts, etc.. before getting a chip (on the track ofcourse..)

that way these threads don't turn into a huge steaming pile of crap.
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Dammit, see I have this problem with I don't always write everything out and I tend to make people fill in the blanks...seriously ask people who know me... I am positive that an Alero could run at 120 with just as much stability as say a ford taurus, or my mom's old bonneville. Obviously tires are a must, as should be brakes. Honestly, springs and struts also, so it doesn't 'float' so much...does that help explain what I was trying to say??? Those are all things that can be upgraded for cheap and make it far more stable and safe to run higher speeds.

[battistoni21]

:iagree:

[Rubered00]

Originally posted by battistoni21@Apr 11 2006, 08:40 PM
:iagree:
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i concur

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

I am positive that Alero2k4 is full of poop. I've had my Alero faster that 107 (downhil + drafting at the same time, got to 115) and the Alero is just not aerodynamically good at that speed. It started shaking a hell of a lot at 110.

If you want proof that drafting will get your car faster:
set your cruise control to 73mph. get behind a truck on a thruway. you're speed will jump to about 77-83 mph depending on how fast the truck is going and how much air it is displacing.

To all those f***ers that STILL want to get rid of their governor because they just want to see how fast they can go, go right ahead. You deserve to get in a crash and die. You will get ZERO sympathy from all of us that warned you, because you're idiots.

[battistoni21]

(what i agreed with alero2k4's post was that the wheels struts, springs would give you higher stability at higher speeds, after reading every post in this thread, i realized that our cars aren't really meant to go that fast, i shoulda stated that before putting up that smilie....)

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

well, yeah, those parts will help. But STOCK, our cars are physically incapable of handling that speed, hence the governor. But if somebody seriously have to ask if their car can handle it, they more than likely don't have the driving skill to handle it themselves. More experienced people will be able to find out by working their way up to those speeds and determining it on their own.

[battistoni21]

now i 100% agree with that, hell my car shakes when im going 90....

[Rubered00]

Wow...telling someone they deserve to crash and die...i think you need to calm down buddy. Your a little high strung.

[cherrington17]

^i completely agree on this topic. there is no reason to go that fast, on public road/highway. all your doing is endangering yourself and everyone around you, regardless of your "skills"

police officers go to training to learn to handle high speeds, and your average driver, even IF you THINK you can drive fine at that speed, you can't.

[Fast Eddie]

If you don't know 1. how to make a car (safely) go that fast 2. how to get around a gov. then don't do it.

Wonder why the orignal poster has not come back??

[Rubered00]

Alright this is probably the last thing im going to say about this because it is getting old. I never plan on un-governing my car because A.) drag racing is no fun B.)neither is street racing. With that said i still think that SOME of you guys need to chill out on the way you approach the subject. Also, i think your understimating the alero, my friend has a 2000 toyota camry that doesn't shut off until 120. The alero is much more equipped to handle that speed than a camry.

[Alero2k4]

Originally posted by AlbinoMonkeyRat+Apr 12 2006, 02:46 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AlbinoMonkeyRat @ Apr 12 2006, 02:46 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I am positive that Alero2k4 is full of poop. I've had my Alero faster that 107 (downhil + drafting at the same time, got to 115) and the Alero is just not aerodynamically good at that speed. It started shaking a hell of a lot at 110.

If you want proof that drafting will get your car faster:
set your cruise control to 73mph. get behind a truck on a thruway. you're speed will jump to about 77-83 mph depending on how fast the truck is going and how much air it is displacing.

To all those f***ers that STILL want to get rid of their governor because they just want to see how fast they can go, go right ahead. You deserve to get in a crash and die. You will get ZERO sympathy from all of us that warned you, because you're idiots.
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Are you serious??? Rather then try to help people do it the right way you would rather just tell them they deserve to die??? WTF!?!?!? Do you not think that since it was downhill and drafting you will loose some control due to the fact that you have hardly any downforce because you were drafting??? There are cars with FAR worse aerodynamics that handle speeds up and beyond that. What all did you have done to your car when you went 115??? (Suspension and Aero wise)

<!--QuoteBegin-cherrington17@Apr 12 2006, 08:35 AM
^i completely agree on this topic. there is no reason to go that fast, on public road/highway. all your doing is endangering yourself and everyone around you, regardless of your "skills"

police officers go to training to learn to handle high speeds, and your average driver, even IF you THINK you can drive fine at that speed, you can't.
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I have taught myself out in the middle of no-where (BLM land etc) how to drive and be able to correct slides, take high speed corners, drift etc. So to say that is simply incorrect. While I agree that MOST drivers cannot handle that, that doesn't include all, and there are alot of drivers who could.

[alerored04]

/\ im sorry but did you just say drifting? haha! thats news to me, i didnt know you could do that in a fwd car. im pretty neutral on the whole topic, if you are the guy doing 130 on the freeway through traffic then you are a dumbass, if you go out in the middle of nowhere and scope out the rode beforehand and slow down when you see an oncoming car i dont think its that bad as long as your vehicle is set up to handle the speed. Im not sure about a how the alero handles at those speeds stock, but i will say that i took mine to 130 on an empty road. What can i say i was curious to see the changes that DHP made to my car. My alero with suspension mods felt totally stable at that speed, so i dont know if people are exagerating or if struts and springs made that much of a difference, im not sure. so what im getting at is that if someone makes the effort to ensure that if something goes wrong they will be the only ones hurt i dont see a problem with it. we should be issuing a cautionary statement and then explaining what needs to be done to make such a naturally unsafe act safer, since as was said before whether we tell someone to do it or not odds are they probably still will so in my eyes id rather have them do it with the parts necessary to make it safer than just go try and get hurt. jmho.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

What is with all you belligerent people? If you want to take off the governor, fine. There's really no point to it, except in Spy/BlackJack/other faster guys' applications. Drag racing ain't fun? Go to the track you schmuck. It's more fun than you think. And you want to Auto-x, or race at a road course? You won't be breaking 100mph there anyway. NO POINT TO REMOVING THE GOVERNOR!!!!!!

f*** off already.

[alerored04]

for me losing the governer was kind of just an extra, it wasnt the point of buying dhp, i wanted the better timing and fuel delivery, i was after the power on the low end. Being able to do 130 was not the point of my purchase, but since i can now i decided to try it, ONCE!! you need to calm down a little, i can understand your position on the issue but jesus man, settle down.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

okay, for that reason, I can understand. but going faster than 130mph really is pointless in damn near any street legal car.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

Okay, I have a clear head now. Let me clear up my opinion, so we can all get our panties out of a bunch.

There are only 2 good reasons to remove the speed limiter.
1) Spy, BlackJack, and a few other guys with N-bodies will need to get rid of it because it is (potentially) inhibiting their track times.
2) as AleroRed04 mentioned, the electronics that remove the limiter also adds low-end torque.

Any other reason, such as "I want to get from NYC to Toronto in 4 hours" is f***ing retarded. There are zero reasons in everyday life to even go faster than 80mph. Hell, the police WILL arrest you if they catch you going faster than 100mph. State Trooper nearly arrested me when he pulled me over for going 98. He had his cuffs ready.

You want to go faster than 107mph, do it at the track or any place it is legally allowed. If you do that poop on a public roadway/thruway, yes, you deserve whatever happens to you.

[Alero2k4]

FYI, I am not going to go F*** off. You need to grow up sometimes. Keep your damn opinion to yourself. It is obvious you don't care what happens to others if it contradicts what you think is right so I would appreciate it if you kept opinions like that to yourself. I happen to enjoy driving at high speeds, I find it very relaxing and enjoyable. :alcoholic:

And dammit yes I said drifting!!! :biggrin: It is quite possible with a FWD, you just have to know about weight transfer...

The fact of the matter is that if someone wants their vehicle un governed, they can do that. Many many cars have way higher governers than ours so what gives???

And one last thing Albino. There are more places to go above 107 than a drag strip...like the aforementioned Salt Flats...

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

I didn't mean it to be personal. It's just how bent out of shape people can get (including myself) dealing with this subject.

And if you want a car that has a higher governor, maybe you should go buy one. :P

[Alero2k4]

Originally posted by AlbinoMonkeyRat@Apr 12 2006, 03:52 PM
I didn't mean it to be personal. It's just how bent out of shape people can get (including myself) dealing with this subject.

And if you want a car that has a higher governor, maybe you should go buy one. :P
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I thought of that dangit, but not until AFTER I bought the 'ho...thus my presence on this forum!!! Don't worry, it would take alot more than someone typing on a keyboard to get me truly bent out of shape...

[Lovestheh20]

Originally posted by Alero2k4@Apr 12 2006, 04:31 PM
FYI, I am not going to go F*** off. You need to grow up sometimes. Keep your damn opinion to yourself. It is obvious you don't care what happens to others if it contradicts what you think is right so I would appreciate it if you kept opinions like that to yourself. I happen to enjoy driving at high speeds, I find it very relaxing and enjoyable. :alcoholic:

And dammit yes I said drifting!!! :biggrin: It is quite possible with a FWD, you just have to know about weight transfer...

The fact of the matter is that if someone wants their vehicle un governed, they can do that. Many many cars have way higher governers than ours so what gives???

And one last thing Albino. There are more places to go above 107 than a drag strip...like the aforementioned Salt Flats...
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2k4.....you're argument is again....dissapointing

Drifting is for RWD/awd you gotta have power in the rear wheels!, powersliding is the only thing possible in FWD......

and as for calling albino out for an opinion and then telling them to shutup is just plain hypocritical.

as for the 107 governor on the alero being injust because some OTHER less capable car has a higher governor still doesn't make it right.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

^ I appreciate you backing me up, bro. :thumb:

[Alero2k4]

Originally posted by Lovestheh20+Apr 12 2006, 04:04 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lovestheh20 @ Apr 12 2006, 04:04 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Alero2k4@Apr 12 2006, 04:31 PM
FYI, I am not going to go F*** off.Â;-) You need to grow up sometimes.Â;-) Keep your damn opinion to yourself.Â;-) It is obvious you don't care what happens to others if it contradicts what you think is right so I would appreciate it if you kept opinions like that to yourself.Â;-) I happen to enjoy driving at high speeds, I find it very relaxing and enjoyable. :alcoholic:

And dammit yes I said drifting!!! :biggrin:Â;-)Â;-) It is quite possible with a FWD, you just have to know about weight transfer...

The fact of the matter is that if someone wants their vehicle un governed, they can do that.Â;-) Many many cars have way higher governers than ours so what gives???

And one last thing Albino.Â;-) There are more places to go above 107 than a drag strip...like the aforementioned Salt Flats...
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2k4.....you're argument is again....dissapointing

Drifting is for RWD/awd you gotta have power in the rear wheels!, powersliding is the only thing possible in FWD......

and as for calling albino out for an opinion and then telling them to shutup is just plain hypocritical.

as for the 107 governor on the alero being injust because some OTHER less capable car has a higher governor still doesn't make it right.
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It is not so much about his opinions as it is his lack of RESPECT for others. And it is possible to drift, you can call it a 'powerslide' if you want, but it boils down to the same thing(a controlled slide around a corner). Search around you you will see plenty of hondas etc, who can drift.

Doesn't make it right but doesn't make it wrong either. It all depends on your perspective. Perspective is truth, what is right to you may be wrong to me period. That's just the way it is, people have their own opinions and no matter how much sense it may make to you, you will NEVER convince everyone to thing like you.

[Rubered00]

Originally posted by AlbinoMonkeyRat@Apr 12 2006, 02:43 PM
What is with all you belligerent people? If you want to take off the governor, fine. There's really no point to it, except in Spy/BlackJack/other faster guys' applications. Drag racing ain't fun? Go to the track you schmuck. It's more fun than you think. And you want to Auto-x, or race at a road course? You won't be breaking 100mph there anyway. NO POINT TO REMOVING THE GOVERNOR!!!!!!

f*** off already.
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lol wow this has gotten out of hand.

Yes that is correct i said drag racing is NOT fun, and no i wont be going to the track because i see it as a waste of money to go and pay to do what i could do on a highway if i really wanted to. YES i do want to auto-x and already do, it is alot of fun aand actually reqires more skill than getting a good start and driving in a straight line. And i know im not going to go over 100 there and as i alreay stated somewehre in this post i dont want to remove my governor and never will. I was just trying to get some of you people that want to act like god on this board to calm down, but apparently that will never happen cause it makes you feel way to good to talk poop and run down other people ideas online.

[keepitsimple]

well i thought this site was to help people do what they want to there cars, if they wanna do it, tell em how and let him do it, just warn him of the danger and let him be on his way. if he feels uncomfortable driving that fast he'll back off, and if not then he is probly skilled enough to know he has to upgrade from stock suspension, brakes, etc. ,,,


and a powerslide is a "form" of drifting,

[Spy]

removing the governor alone does not increase hp or tq...

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by Rubered00@Apr 12 2006, 05:38 PM
lol wow this has gotten out of hand.

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yes it has....................closed