Exhaust Finished

[2fst4u]

so, i got the rest of my exhaust finished today. it turned out pretty nice and sounds great. i went with the stainless tsudo headers from ebay. we had to mod them a little bit, but not too bad. i also went with a magnaflow highflow cat and stainless vibrant resonator. the piping between these parts is 2.25, and then it goes into my 2.5" catback system with dynomax camaro style muffler.
i'm pretty happy with the results.
pics to come.

prices for reference:
headers - $140
cat - $55
resonator - $50
labor - $200
muffler - $65
tips - $40
labor - $250
total - $750

[Mr_White]

nice but :needpics:
& a sound clip

[battistoni21]

that sounds like a pretty good setup greg...... get some pics!

[violentrapture]

wow, $450 in labor to do header+exhaust? I had mine done (header/cat/exhaust) for right around $400 including parts and labor

Ditto on wanting pics and sound clip though!

~vR

[2fst4u]

any ideas on a sound clip? not really sure how that will work out. i may just have to use my digital camera for it. we'll see.

[alerocar01]

Lets see some pics.

[2fst4u]

pretty hard to see, but i have a youtube video coming soon.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i242/shortyspunk99/DSCN1168.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i242/shortyspunk99/DSCN1170.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i242/shortyspunk99/DSCN1169.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i242/shortyspunk99/DSCN1171.jpg

[acold7dusta]

hard to see but looks pretty nice. have you seen an increase in gas milage yet? could you notice any noticable gains?

[2fst4u]

it's hard to see an increase in gas mileage when you can't keep the pedal lifted. lol
definately more powerful. i was playing around with a gti last night. his girlfriend wasn't too happy. lol

[2fst4u]

here's a little clip for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-M7JwjOrvg

[2fst4u]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZWDzS5LXA

[Redog]

nice!

[FormulaNERD]

meh, it had chainsaw potential, that's why you didnt even rev it up.

[Oldsman]

damn your header turned blue fast.

[battistoni21]

is your headers have a special coating on them? or is that just how they are.....

[2fst4u]

that's just how they are. they are stainless steel, and like oldsman said, they turn blue from the heat.

[battistoni21]

i didnt know they were SS..... cool though man :thumb: I can't wait till i get my full exhaust in, hopefully this month won't be as bad as the last for me..... by June everything should be coming together :)

What kind of tips do you have?

[2fst4u]

ractive stainless oval tips. you can get them at most places in pa that are supplied by keystone auto parts.

[Cliff8928]

So what do you think of the Tsudo header? I never heard of it before and was wondering about the fit and quality of it..

[battistoni21]

^yeah i agree, did you have to wheld the 02 bung 180 degrees to the other side like the OBXs are?

[2fst4u]

i did have to relocate the O2 bung on mine. so, finding a stainless O2 bung in this area was a little tough. also, there was an extra piece of tubing on the one side that led from the flange to the one header pipe, really weird. i had a local guy cut that off and smooth it over, and also mount the O2 bung. the stupid thing is, he bent my flange in the process. so, we had to heat the thing up to get it to seal properly. i'm still not sure if it's right.

i'm taking the thing in the week to get looked at again. the exhaust is hitting the suspension in the back at times, and they didn't weld in a new downstream bung.

[63starfire]

Nice job 2fst!

[2fst4u]

thanks alot. now, it's on to the supercharger.

[battistoni21]

:) that should be fun

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by 2fst4u@May 23 2006, 11:14 PM
thanks alot. now, it's on to the supercharger.
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pfft...turbo's better :P :jk:

that'll be cool man

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero+May 24 2006, 08:03 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(2000_olds_alero @ May 24 2006, 08:03 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-2fst4u@May 23 2006, 11:14 PM
thanks alot.Â;-) now, it's on to the supercharger.
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pfft...turbo's better :P :jk:

that'll be cool man
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I agree :biggrin: But I'll bet a supercharger is a lot less of a pain. You are talking about the GM supercharger right and not RSM?

[ptrudel]

only prob with a supercharger(not that its a problem to complain about lol) is that at the track you'll be way more prone to spinning out then in a turbo'd cuz of the turbo lag...on the street tho, s/c would be funner to run...and less of a pain as spilner said

[2fst4u]

yeah, the gm one with the upgraded pulley. it will be enough boost for me. but, this will be after i get back from iraq. bring on the money.

[battistoni21]

damn greg i cant wait to see that when it happens

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@May 24 2006, 10:51 AM
only prob with a supercharger(not that its a problem to complain about lol) is that at the track you'll be way more prone to spinning out then in a turbo'd cuz of the turbo lag...on the street tho, s/c would be funner to run...and less of a pain as spilner said
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Naw...lag is almost non-existant with the right turbo. If you keep it revved enough before your launch you can launch in boost. But yeah, that split second it takes the turbo to start spooling will let you get traction :thumb:

[Thrawn]

Sweet setup on the exhaust! and IMO superchargers > turbochargers...

...as I duck and run for cover ha ha!

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by Thrawn@May 25 2006, 06:21 PM
Sweet setup on the exhaust! and IMO superchargers > turbochargers...

...as I duck and run for cover ha ha!
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its personal preference/use that'll be the deciding factor really....for strict street, s/c is funner to run no doubt...but i personally like a turbo for the split second of lag off the line like me and spilner were discussing lol

[DarkStar]

Hey, sounds awesome, where did you get the cat and muffler from?

-Thanks

[2fst4u]

i got all of my parts either from ebay or a local supplier. the dynomax muffler and tips came from a local guy, while the header, cat, and resonator are from ebay.

[Coldfire]

Nice setup 2fst

[NoSweat83]

Originally posted by 2fst4u@May 24 2006, 03:51 PM
yeah, the gm one with the upgraded pulley. it will be enough boost for me. but, this will be after i get back from iraq. bring on the money.
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I dont know how long you will be able to find them and if GM will continue to do programing for the n-body, since they sold all of the remaining superchargers to knights performance. Hope it works out for ya and if you need help let me know.

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero+May 25 2006, 09:39 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(2000_olds_alero @ May 25 2006, 09:39 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Thrawn@May 25 2006, 06:21 PM
Sweet setup on the exhaust! and IMO superchargers > turbochargers...

...as I duck and run for cover ha ha!
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its personal preference/use that'll be the deciding factor really....for strict street, s/c is funner to run no doubt...but i personally like a turbo for the split second of lag off the line like me and spilner were discussing lol
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Duck.....

-Turbos use wasted energy (exhaust) to make power instead of using engine power to make power.
-Turbos are more effecient air pumps than superchargers, so at the same boost level it'll produce more air and cooler air and therefore more power.
-The right size turbo will spool with virtually no lag and will reach peak boost early in the RPM range, meaning an earlier gain in power. Since the supercharger is belt driven, it doesn't reach peak boost until redline.

And one thing that is better about the supercharger setup is that it's easier to install, because there are less parts and you can use the entire stock exhaust system. With the turbo you have to at least replace part of the downpipe.

My final word...

Two cars being identcial (same engine, parts, weight) one having a supercharger, the other having a turbo, both running the same boost level, the turbo car will be quicker and faster every time. Street, drag, roadcourse, autocross...Turbos are better :thumb:

[The preceding is my, and many others, personal opinion but I give good reasons for this choice of opinion :biggrin: ]

[2fst4u]

i called knights about the supercharger. they are selling the rsm superchargers, and are also able to order the gm supercharger. i should be able to get the supercharger through pace, correct? and the reflash shouldnt be an issue if i get it done before i leave for iraq. not sure how it would affect a non supercharged alero. hopefully it would still run, lol. not sure.

[Cliff8928]

I'm pretty sure they just superseded the part number on that supercharger..

OLD - 12498287
NEW - 12498660

may be wrong but it doesn't hurt to check...

[Oldsman]

being that there isn't many left i would get it asap.

which that reminds me i still got to see if my 01 ecu will work and then reflash it.

[NoSweat83]

Originally posted by Cliff8928@May 28 2006, 06:56 AM
I'm pretty sure they just superseded the part number on that supercharger..

OLD - 12498287
NEW - 12498660

may be wrong but it doesn't hurt to check...
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The new one was my part # and last year there were less than 10 left.

[Cliff8928]

Strange, it still comes up on http://www.gmpartsdirect.com

[2fst4u]

so, what's the deal? should i be able to get one or not? i might have to call gmpartsdirect. we'll see.

[NoSweat83]

Originally posted by Cliff8928@May 29 2006, 03:19 AM
Strange, it still comes up on http://www.gmpartsdirect.com
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All I said was that the part number that you listed as new was the one I have on my invoice and that quanties are very limited.

[NoSweat83]

n-body manual trans part # is 88961331 and auto is 88961332 for the reflash. Tech # for you to call is 1-800-828-6860 for further questions. Hope this helps you.

[Cliff8928]

Ahh, i thought they were completely discontinued and no longer available from GM at all.

[Paladin]

What were those modified Tsudo headers originally made for?? Did you run your resonator before or after your muffler?? Have heard of some doing it both ways is why I asked. Not sure of which method is preferred or better. Oh and props SPEC4, Delta Co 3-116th Armored Cav (M1A1 Abrams) Oregon ANG :beerchug: (and PA Props, mom is from Cannonsburg PA :cool: )

[Paladin]

Hey 2fst4u I had a couple of questions about the Tsudo header you got. First. which ebay seller did you get yours from? NissanGTRpower or Trendgear? Secondly when you talked about having to rotate the Bank 1 O2 bung 180 it looks to me like according to the pic that the bung in the ebay pics is on the drivers side, is that correct? Did they maybe give you a oddball?? Anyways it looks and sounds kewl as hell :beerchug:

[2fst4u]

alrite, as far as the headers, they are for a cavalier (which it looks like you already figured out). they bung needs to be moved to the passenger side so that it doesn't interfere with the rear tranny mount. as far as the resonator, my muffler is mounted camaro style at the back, and there is no room for a resonator after. any more questions let me know.

[Paladin]

K, thanks 2fst4u :beerchug: