Alero Vs 240sx

[projectalero]

hey guys, im new to the site but i wanted to get the opinion of some guys that know more about the alero than I do. Today i got a challenge from a guy at school that drives a 240SX. Im not perfectly sure of the year. Im guessing it is a mid to late 90's model. The owner told me it is a 2.4L non turbo with a automatic transmision. He, along with some other guys from school, believe it will beat my 2001 Alero with a 3.4L, also automatic. Both cars are completely stock. Can anybody give me thier thoughts on this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[Rubered00]

You better quickly say that your going to do it at the track or else your going to have a bunch of people in here soon giving you a lecture on street racing.

As for thoughts on the race.....i have no idea. Around curves i would say he would beat you...but in a straight line...i am no help.

[projectalero]

Yes it is going to be on a drag strip. I dont street race anymore. Also i have to much to lose if i get caught street racing.

[FrankTheTank]

it's gonna be a close race...both cars are pretty slow.

[Redog]

Both cars run 16.5 in the 1/4 mile

[projectalero]

how close of a race are we talkin? Pretty much, im tired of this guy talkin trash and i want to shut him up.

Yes frank, i know both cars a slow, but at least they have some potential. Thanks for everyone's inputs

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by Redog@Jun 27 2006, 07:07 PM
Both cars run 16.5 in the 1/4 mile
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wtf are you smokin? i've seen stock RENTAL 3.4 aleros do 15.8 on the quarter

[SweetNLow]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero+Jun 27 2006, 07:43 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(2000_olds_alero @ Jun 27 2006, 07:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Redog@Jun 27 2006, 07:07 PM
Both cars run 16.5 in the 1/4 mile
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wtf are you smokin? i've seen stock RENTAL 3.4 aleros do 15.8 on the quarter
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seriously......... i ran 15.9 completely stock with heavy ass chrome rims

[BlackJack]

seriously, I ran 16.3 with a CAI.....and I'm superfast...haahah

[SweetNLow]

HEY! haha i didnt say 15.9 stock was fast......... but its still faster than 16.5 like ken said.

[Pimpalero03]

Originally posted by SweetNLow+Jun 27 2006, 11:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SweetNLow @ Jun 27 2006, 11:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@Jun 27 2006, 07:43 PM
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Both cars run 16.5 in the 1/4 mile
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wtf are you smokin? i've seen stock RENTAL 3.4 aleros do 15.8 on the quarter
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seriously......... i ran 15.9 completely stock with heavy ass chrome rims
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he is just trying to make his 14.5 sound better . lol

[SweetNLow]

exactly paul............. he should add that he ran that 14.5 in january. 5 degree weather will help anybody

[projectalero]

So what are my odds of winning?

[SweetNLow]

odd of winning..... well who really cares. both cars are slow...... whats to gain by racing this kid wether its at the dragstrip or not

[Pimpalero03]

i bet u will. aleros have a good amount of torque

i bet u will. aleros have a good amount of torque

[projectalero]

to answer your question sweetnlow...i care who wins. Its not so much deciding what car is better, but mainly a thing of respect, to me at least. I normally keep to myself at school and this guy and his friends randomly start talkin trash. I dont see any reason for them tryin to pick a race with me but i usually dont back down from a challenge. Not only this but he has mentioned a small wager on this race. I understand both cars are slow, and i wish i could have afforded a faster car, but i cant complain being 19 years old with a relatively nice ride. I bought it with a kato combat body kit and aftermarket wheels. Like most people in this forum, i want to modify my car but at the moment i am broke. Thanks for the input pimpalero.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

depending on the year, the 2.4L engines found in the 240SX can range from 140-155hp, and the car weighs around 2700 pounds.

240SX ratios:
140hp @ 2700lbs = 19.3
155hp @ 2700lbs = 17.4

Alero 3400 ratio:
170hp @ 3000lbs = 17.64

if he has anything less than 150hp, you'll beat him. Get us a year and a model and we can be certain. ;)

[Orion]

A body kit and wheels will actually add drag, and make you a tad heavier and slower. Am I right guys'?

[Orion]

I'd say when u go to the track to empty as much weight from your car as possible. Also put alittle better octane gas in your car, and only have 1/4 a tank in there. Umm if ur running stock, disconnect your intake from the air box. and let it lay in your engine bay. You might get better times like that. I know someone that did that, and ran better times.

[projectalero]

I agree orion..the body kit does at a little weight to it. Luckily its only fiberglass and plastic. Honestly, it has a kato combat front bumper (fiberglass) and the rest is a razzi kit. For some reason the previous owner put 15s on it. Not terrible looking, but i would like bigger wheels. Another thing i forgot to mention is that it did dyno at 148 hp. I was not told the TQ rating. I just talked to one of the guys from school and he is saying this 240sx is a 96 if that is any help to you albinomonkeyrat. Let me know if u need any more info.

[projectalero]

thanks for ur thoughts orion...I already run premium fuel in my car. About the disconnecting the air intake...it wont suck up too much dirt and particle will it? Being 19 i cant afford to damage my only vehicle.

[Pimpalero03]

on the track u more then likely wont suck in anything. people do it all the time. practice launching cuz that will be ur weak point. i used to hold rpm at 1200 and let go of brake when launching. tires wouldnt spin as much. and put shifter in 2nd gear so u can hold it out longer.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

info from Wiki...

1996 240SX:

Engine: 2.4 L KA24DE I4
Wheelbase: 2525 mm (99.4 in)
Length: 4498 mm (177.0 in)
Width: 1727 mm (68.0 in)
Height: 1288 mm (50.7 in)
Curb weight: 1253 kg (2762 lb)

Specifications
* Bore × Stroke: 89.0 × 96.0 mm
* Max power: 155 hp (115 kW) @ 5600 rpm
* Max torque: 160 ft·lbf (217 N·m) @ 4400 rpm
* Valve Configuration: DOHC, 16 valves
* Compression ratio: 8.9:1, 9.2:1, 9.5:1



you have a chance, but it'll be REALLY close.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

Originally posted by Pimpalero03@Jun 27 2006, 10:25 PM
on the track u more then likely wont suck in anything. people do it all the time. practice launching cuz that will be ur weak point. i used to hold rpm at 1200 and let go of brake when launching. tires wouldnt spin as much. and put shifter in 2nd gear so u can hold it out longer.
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on my 2.4L, I rev up to about 2500, but 2500 might be a bit much for the V6. if you can get a few test runs in, test in between those rpm ranges. You might find 1200 will be good, or you might find something higher works well.

[projectalero]

I typically hold it between 1000 and 1200. It does spin a bit, but nothing too much. Im not so sure i can actually get mine to rev to 2500. Ill give it a few test runs and see what happens. By tha way...when i rode with this guy the day he got tha car, he was reving tha hell out of it. I watched the tach go well past 6000. Wouldnt that be a waste of time because you are supposed to keep the rpm's in the max power range. If you keep going past that you are just losing power and actually losing time. Correct me if im wrong guys, but that is just my thought.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

once you pass peak power, yes, you are wasting time, and causing unnecessary wear to the engine. That's why on autotragic transmissions, you won't hear the engine bouncing off the rev limiter when it's moving. ;)

ideally, at the track, you want to rev as close to the power range as possible without losing a lot of traction. If you have stock tires, you might not want to rev that high.

[alero440]

240sx= 155hp 160 torque. They are lighter then the monster aleros we drive. Now I've been in a stock 240 and they are quick little cars off the line. they have a decent power curve too. I've never raced the 240 in my car so I can't say yea or nay whether you'll win. It also depends on the driver of the car. If the kid can drive and keep the back end from spinning he may have a chance, but if he sucks and just sits there an spins them, you may have a chance. Who knows.

[Silentalero]

How sure are you that he is stock is the question. The 96 240 has a crapload of parts for it that youd never notice without spending anything.

Trust me, kids dont go talking trash asking to race unless they've got something under the hood..Keep that in mind.

Just do it at the track so nobody gets hurt, arrested or anything else.

[alero440]

Originally posted by Silentalero@Jun 28 2006, 09:01 AM
How sure are you that he is stock is the question. The 96 240 has a crapload of parts for it that youd never notice without spending anything.

Trust me, kids dont go talking trash asking to race unless they've got something under the hood..Keep that in mind.

Just do it at the track so nobody gets hurt, arrested or anything else.
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yeah you can't see the Tien Superdrifts that are on the project car. They don't lower it much, but they are awesome in cornering and such.

[steve-o]

but its a automatic, rear-wheel drive, 4 cyl... my buddy had an old 240 with a 2.4 , 5pseed, and my z24 would mop him up, i think you got a good chance dude

[steve-o]

oh yeah, and my Z24 had 3.1, 5-Speed, and i shouldn't say I moped him up, it was close, but i would beat him

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

simple as this:
3400 N-body> 2.4L J-body > 2.4L N-body

the 2.4L 240SX should be somewhere between the 2.4L GM's. ;)

[ptrudel]

^you sure albino?

i mean, yeah it depends on driver and lotsa other things, but no z24(2.4l) j-body will keep up to my alero

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

stock vs stock, dude. our cars have the same engine and I'm pretty sure the same transmission (gearing) and they are lighter cars. I guarantee that if you drove your Alero and you drove a Z24 down the same track, you'll have a slightly faster time in the Z24. (this way, it eliminates differences in driver weight and skill) You're probably a better driver than the people you raced in their Z24's if they can't keep up.

[ptrudel]

maybe...i dunno if they were auto or stick either, and mine's a stick

[projectalero]

I looked at the car the other day. It does have a full interior and i did make sure its an auto. He popped the hood and everything seemed stock: air box, manifold, exhaust, even the pulleys. He may have something hiding inside the motor, but i cant tell. All i know is the guy bought it from an older lady a week ago. As far as the driver skill...im nothing special, but this guy seems like a idiot. He claims to be a badass drifter. My first thought is that he is more likely to spin out of habbit, rather than think about what he is doing...which is drag racing.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@Jun 28 2006, 02:04 PM
maybe...i dunno if they were auto or stick either, and mine's a stick
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I'm sure Z24's had both.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

you can't be a bad-ass drifter with an auto. lol Might accurately fishtail a couple turns here and there, but to be a bad-ass drifter you gotta have stick and be able to drift around pretty much any turn.

[alero440]

bad ass drifter eh? Tell him if he wants to be a bad ass drifter so bad he needs a better motor then the KA... It bogs down in 2nd gear doing figure eights. I think its kinda stupid having this debate whose better then who.

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by AlbinoMonkeyRat+Jun 28 2006, 03:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AlbinoMonkeyRat @ Jun 28 2006, 03:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-2000_olds_alero@Jun 28 2006, 02:04 PM
maybe...i dunno if they were auto or stick either, and mine's a stick
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I'm sure Z24's had both.
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lol...i know they were available with both..i meant about the ones i raced against

[projectalero]

he's not saying that this 240 is his drift car, he claims this is the 5th one he has owned...all of which had 400+hp or so he claims. He has only had this car for a week or so. He plans on lowering it this weekend,but thats all the mods it will have.

[Silentalero]

Originally posted by projectalero@Jun 28 2006, 02:34 PM
he's not saying that this 240 is his drift car, he claims this is the 5th one he has owned...all of which had 400+hp or so he claims. He has only had this car for a week or so. He plans on lowering it this weekend,but thats all the mods it will have.
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so he says

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

if this guy is 22 or younger, I guarantee you he's lying, and that he's never even really drifted.

[ptrudel]

:iamwithstupid:

not callin you stupid randy, i just like the smiley :P

[projectalero]

he is like 20 or 21 so i think he lyin too.

[Orion]

Race him at the track and prove him wrong. Go to the track section and Redog has a long list of things to do. To make your car race ready. Goodluck, whens this happening?

[projectalero]

Goodluck, whens this happening?
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Im not sure. After i talked to him about it and asked when and where he said he figured i didnt wanna race anymore cuz he wanted to run for $100. I told him give me a week to get the money and ill race. Pretty much, i think he punked out, but I am still going to try to get him to race probably next weekend. Tomorrow night i am racing another 240sx, but this one is a S13. Ill let you know how it goes.

[Coupe]

I hate these threads, no one actually ends up raceing.

[Redog]

Dump out the spare and jack.

Lower front PSI to around 28

1000 to 1200 rpms is a good launch

go on the 3rd amber, kill him at the tree



I ran 16.2 my first time, worked my intake a bit and got it to 15.8.

Don't listen to Sweet, yeah ran my best time when it was 35 degrees, but it's funny the he doesn't say anything about my 14.98 in 85 degree weather :rolleyes:

[projectalero]

14.85 is pretty damn good either way. I noticed u said to launch at about 1200...i think thats a pretty good place cuz mine didnt do too hot today when i tried it on tha street at 2000. It made a bit of tire smoke and took off. Ill see what happens with the air pressure. I usually run about 32 in the front anyway, but i may drop it a bit more this time. Ur right, im gonna kinda delete Sweet's statement from my memory. Im in orlando, its not gonna git to 35 here, not that i want it to

[Pimpalero03]

Originally posted by Redog@Jun 29 2006, 10:11 PM



I ran 16.2 my first time, worked my intake a bit and got it to 15.8.

Don't listen to Sweet, yeah ran my best time when it was 35 degrees, but it's funny the he doesn't say anything about my 14.98 in 85 degree weather :rolleyes:
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what brent was trying to say i think is that a stock alero is average 15.8ish not 16.2or higher. ur 14.6 or whatever is a damn good time for an alero. u just dont want to piss off the stock aleros and make them sound slower then they are. i thought my alero was pretty damn quick. it would beat grand prix gt's which run 15.8s in 1/4 mile. mine was a 4 door and all i had is intake and a muffler

[SweetNLow]

if you ran 14.98 in 85 degrees thats a great run.

its just in my opinion that runnin in 35 degree temps........ well its almost cheating in a sense.

but this thread is stupid/pointless/worthless anyways

[xbxradxsx]

I say race him for sure. I have the 2.2L eco automatic and one of my friends has a 240 auto from around the same year as what you're talkin about. Back when I first got my car I raced him and had him a good bit all the way up till my car cut off at 107. Both of our cars were completely stock. He did finally blow his up a few months ago though cuz he drives like poop. Yes guy's, sorry it was street about 2am one morning. But anyways, considering that the 3.4s are faster than the 2.2s, you should take him.

And saying that he starts it for no reason, it's probably all to do with the body kit. People try to start stuff with me all the time and all I have for now is a new muffler.

[Redog]

Originally posted by projectalero@Jun 29 2006, 06:04 PM
14.85 is pretty damn good either way. I noticed u said to launch at about 1200...i think thats a pretty good place cuz mine didnt do too hot today when i tried it on tha street at 2000. It made a bit of tire smoke and took off. Ill see what happens with the air pressure. I usually run about 32 in the front anyway, but i may drop it a bit more this time. Ur right, im gonna kinda delete Sweet's statement from my memory. Im in orlando, its not gonna git to 35 here, not that i want it to
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2000 is a bit high. That's how I blew up the tranny. I would launch at 2250 all the time, but I found that idel, which is about 750 or 800, is great, for my car anyway, but yeah keep it under 1400 and you'll be cool.

Keep an eye on the temp gauge, if it gets too hot, you're defeting the purpose, and wait until both of you are about to get the lights, don't want to hold it too long, you'll just heat everything up

[Sinatra]

Originally posted by projectalero@Jun 28 2006, 03:34 PM
he's not saying that this 240 is his drift car, he claims this is the 5th one he has owned...all of which had 400+hp or so he claims. He has only had this car for a week or so. He plans on lowering it this weekend,but thats all the mods it will have.
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Damn it, I hate people like that. It does not even matter if you beat him or not he is still going to talk about how bad ass he is. I knew people all over where I lived that made insane claims that I would call their BS card out right away.

- Dude with a POS camaro said he bord and stroked it out to a 350 and that it had 400 HP. I let him have it on whats wrong with that...you look under the hood and you can tell its just a dirty, old, rotting 305.

Too many to list man, even after the BS card was pulled he made claims like his unclge builds hot rods so that means he knows more than me. Even after I destroyed him in my 88 cougar (302, straight pipes) he still said that he didn't give it any gas because he didn't want to "embarass," me. This is a loose loose...no matter what...hes king of the roads and no one can tell him any different.

[projectalero]

We finally raced last night. Actually we raced a few times. The first run he won, the second one i won, and the last i won again. For the whole story check out the new thread "Results alero VS 240sx"