Venom Performance module? [Archive]

sorrowfulkiller

12-31-2006, 03:16 PM

Has anyone tried out the Venom 400 for aleros?
http://www.performancecenter.com/product.page/Chips+%26+Programmers/Chips+%7E+Modules+%7E+Programmers/0/0/0/VNMV45-211/OLDSMOBILE/2001/Alero/3.4L

I'll be keeping my car NA and will probably only put between $950-$1200 into it, but since it is my only car I really like the idea that you can turn it off and still get original MPG. What do you guys think?

NjRef511

12-31-2006, 03:19 PM

25% increase in torque and hp

*laughs*

alerored04

12-31-2006, 04:28 PM

scam.

mrmike

12-31-2006, 06:17 PM

If you are only putting in that much money and are looking for performance, I'd say do an intake/exhaust setup and lower it. Anyways those 'chips' just do some bullshit to the throttle so when you put the pedal down it reaches wide open throttle sooner. It doesn't do anything to the engine itself.

Redog

12-31-2006, 06:34 PM

Don't waste your money. You can do a lot for $300 but $300 will not get you a 25% gain

sorrowfulkiller

12-31-2006, 10:45 PM

So.... what about getting a performance ecu instead? and if so, who makes good ones?

Or should I just say screw the ecu and just work changing out the full exhaust?

protocol7

12-31-2006, 11:20 PM

*sigh* If it's too good to be true, it is. This gimmick is old - I'm surprised everyone doesn't instantly dismiss it by now.

I'd go with exhaust..

Redog

01-01-2007, 02:59 AM

^^ I agree.

You can go with a DHP PCM version 1.0 but without a few engine mods, it's not really going to help you too much.

Start with exhaust and/or an intake

sorrowfulkiller

01-01-2007, 04:49 AM

I'm more than likely going to get a custom headers back exhaust after a move anyways...

has anyone used HPTuners VCM suite though? I'm really liking the fact that I could change practically everything about my cars power with it :rolleyes2:

Money isn't ging to be much of an issue with me for awhile :scpimp:

kwhauck

01-01-2007, 01:22 PM

hptuners software is nice but if you don't know what you are doing you can mess some stuff up........

sorrowfulkiller

01-01-2007, 02:37 PM

hptuners software is nice but if you don't know what you are doing you can mess some stuff up........

I looked at the help file on their site... looks pretty simple to me... mostly just reading the tables and doing minor changes... changing how hard the tranny shifts, gear ratios and such, but after reading the help file in the program I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard....

and even if I do fuck something up... like the car won't start I could always just re-introduce the original computer specs to it

kwhauck

01-01-2007, 03:57 PM

depends on how extreme you want to go...i have honestly thought about dumping it for a complete stand alone........

nhartwell

01-01-2007, 06:30 PM

joealmighty13

01-01-2007, 08:25 PM

where do u guys go that its only gonna cost u under 500 for exhaust? here i was quoted at 650 for a full new exhaust system, headers obviously not included.

number1alero

01-01-2007, 08:49 PM

^because u made the mistake of going to a shop instead of ordering online, buy the exhaust online and have a shop install, shouldnt cost more than $100 for an exhaust install i wouldnt think.

kwhauck

01-01-2007, 11:14 PM

exhaust and intake is a good idea.. u will gain no more than 15 hp with a whole setup headers and back.. but should notice a slight difference with even that and ur ride will run a little better. No way to get 25% increase unless u turbo or supercharge ur ride.. Best thing u can do for under 500 is exhaust + intake IMO.. This way u get sound + performance.

If he does a exhaust including a header he will definately get 15+ hp. Both headers (TOGs no longer available) have dynoed 15+ horsepower by themselves not even counting a full exhaust system at the same time

oh and for under $500 you could increase 25% with nitrous.....:scpimp:

sorrowfulkiller

01-01-2007, 11:33 PM

If he does a exhaust including a header he will definately get 15+ hp. Both headers (TOGs no longer available) have dynoed 15+ horsepower by themselves not even counting a full exhaust system at the same time

oh and for under $500 you could increase 25% with nitrous.....:scpimp:

xD yeah, I don't wanna jack up my insurance cost too though :lol:

nhartwell

01-01-2007, 11:48 PM

yeah nitrous lol. honestly, u may be right about the headers, but i have hardly seen that much gain on other cars with just a header upgrade.

anyways, if u r willing to spend a little money here is what i suggest u invest in for after market parts that will gain u the most hp without having the price and high maintenance of a turbo or supercharged car and is alot more simple of a concept to those who are new to the subject.

Cold air intake, headers, throttle body, high-flow cat, resonator, muffler, and new piping. Have it all installed. Remap the ecu for any piping changes to fine tune to the flow and what not. IMO, this gives u remarkable gains even though it is not a turbo.

but that might be overkill for ur budget (especially remapping the ECU) so im not sure. those are ur options i guess, let the professionals tell u though, because i haven't been here that long :)

2fst4u

01-02-2007, 01:58 PM

i really don't think you know what you're talking about with our cars nhartwell. no ecu "remapping" is needed for simple bolt on intake and exhaust.

nhartwell

01-02-2007, 02:03 PM

why wouldnt u do a remap with all those upgrades?

nhartwell

01-02-2007, 02:04 PM

shit, stock mapping is not up to performance par and can be remapped to increase horsepower by alot right off the lot.

nhartwell

01-02-2007, 02:04 PM

i guess im not sure with alero's... but u should be able to remap for some xtra horse and better responsiveness

2fst4u

01-02-2007, 02:11 PM

it's not needed. i had an intake manifold swap, throttle body swap, custom intake piping, header, high flow cat, resonator, and full exhaust piping with no computer management what-so-ever. it just isn't needed. i'm not saying it wouldn't hurt to play around in hptuners and try and squeeze another 1/2 horsepower out. but, it really isn't worth it.

nhartwell

01-02-2007, 02:14 PM

lol i havent ever played with it myself on a car, but i used to do it on bikes that would come in, and boy those things are mapped to shit stock.. u see a big difference when remapping them.. the concept is the same i believe with the bikes and cars, but i guess they might just do quite the better job on cars like the alero.

what i've always wondered is why a vehicle would not be programmed to perform at its very very best but it must not be in all cases.. maybe it is just a motorcycle thing.

nhartwell

01-02-2007, 02:17 PM

kwhauck

01-02-2007, 02:45 PM

xD yeah, I don't wanna jack up my insurance cost too though :lol:

it won't jack up your insurance......just bolt it up and drive it.....installing nitrous doesn't have to do anything with insurance......

Alero2k4

01-03-2007, 03:08 PM

I looked at the help file on their site... looks pretty simple to me... mostly just reading the tables and doing minor changes... changing how hard the tranny shifts, gear ratios and such, but after reading the help file in the program I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard....

and even if I do fuck something up... like the car won't start I could always just re-introduce the original computer specs to it

This isn't Need For Speed man, you can't change gear ratios with a computer. I would take it to someone who knows what they are doing and talking about. A local shop wants to charge me 200-300 to tune, but they would never charge again once they tuned my car so try and find something like that.

jackal2000

01-03-2007, 03:17 PM

what i've always wondered is why a vehicle would not be programmed to perform at its very very best but it must not be in all cases.. maybe it is just a motorcycle thing.

because not every vehicle/motor is exactly the same. automakers error on the safe side with the programming because its not even close to cost effective to fine tune every car on the assembly line. ;)

as far as tuning software, i use DHP's PowrTuner and love it. with simple bolt ons it is true that it is not necessary BUT it is ALWAYS beneficial. if you are like me and end up with ported everything and a big cam then you have no choice because the VE of the motor has change so much.

billytheman1188

01-03-2007, 05:04 PM

where do u guys go that its only gonna cost u under 500 for exhaust? here i was quoted at 650 for a full new exhaust system, headers obviously not included.

IDK if someone answered your question already, cause i didnt read any other posts, but if you want a nice cheaper exhaust, go to www.car-stuff.com and get the pacesetter exhaust, it says its only for the 2.2 and 2.4 but it works on the 3.4(if thats what you have), i forgot what the cost of the exhaust is, but its under 300.