Rebuild Underway!!

[Headstrong2740]

Well i have been doing the nasty job of tearing the motor down pulling pieces of.... alot easier then i thought it would be so far. I have already ordered:
Eagle Rods(320 shipped)
all the gaskets(160)
block work (200)
head work (150)
secret cams..new (230)
total so far.... 1010 :censored:


oh yeah.. forgot the turbo and stuff add about another 600


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1610 ...wow i cant believe that already

haha oh well

i still need to find pistons for the car... its being bored out .020

anyone know of a good place to go... so far i have only found one set for 469

also once the work is done on the block and crank.. ill order the bearings for the crank

any help on finding pistons for a better price would be awsome! let me know

[DOHC_tuner]

Sorry is it a 2.4 or a 3.4. If its a 4 banger and you already got the block out, you should install all the 2.3 stuff you can so get more HP plus the turbo kit.

[strtrydr]

^ umm ... this is the 2.4 section ... so i assume he has the 2.4 :lol:

[spyhunter]

Well i have been doing the nasty job of tearing the motor down pulling pieces of.... alot easier then i thought it would be so far. I have already ordered:
Eagle Rods(320 shipped)
all the gaskets(160)
block work (200)
head work (150)
secret cams..new (230)
total so far.... 1010 :censored:


oh yeah.. forgot the turbo and stuff add about another 600


:censored: :banghead: :censored::banghead: :censored:

1610 ...wow i cant believe that already

haha oh well

i still need to find pistons for the car... its being bored out .020

anyone know of a good place to go... so far i have only found one set for 469

also once the work is done on the block and crank.. ill order the bearings for the crank

any help on finding pistons for a better price would be awsome! let me know


head gasket COMETIC MLS headgasket.. and ARP head studs... email Karo on www.carcustoms.net he can get you a competitive price on them.
He's the most reliable man I can think of.

Be sure to do the front and rear mounts in polyurethane too. your motor will be going buckwild with actual power coarsing through it.

while you're at it, go buy yourself a new oil pump... most autoparts stores will carry it or be able to get it... get the Clevitte branded oil pump. Oil gear is just a tad beefier.

[Headstrong2740]

head gasket COMETIC MLS headgasket.. and ARP head studs... email Karo on www.carcustoms.net (http://www.carcustoms.net) he can get you a competitive price on them.
He's the most reliable man I can think of.

Be sure to do the front and rear mounts in polyurethane too. your motor will be going buckwild with actual power coarsing through it.

while you're at it, go buy yourself a new oil pump... most autoparts stores will carry it or be able to get it... get the Clevitte branded oil pump. Oil gear is just a tad beefier.


yeah i am putting in the 2.3 parts and any ideas where i can get the poly mounts ... kinda have no idea where to look for those. Good idea though since im sure once that turbo kicks in it will rock pretty wildly.
I am goign to ask the place thats doing my block if they are able to find pistons for it to fit and be able to handle the power.

any one found pistons besides the ones i found on ebay for the LD9motor? 469 seems like a lot to me.. or is that about right?

[Spilner521]

The pistons on eBay are actual Wiseco pistons. You're not going to find much better prices on those. There's also Car Customs, which is probably more trustworthy than eBay, but it's up to you. Here's the link:
http://www.carcustoms.net/product_info.php?cPath=265_22_32_594&products_id=416

[Headstrong2740]

BTW... ill be posting pics of the tear down of the motor a little later to show how far i have gotten... only been able to work on it a few hours a day though but doing pretty well i think for only using hand tools so far :D

[Headstrong2740]

yeah i kinda figured the weisco pistons were goign to be my best bet... oh well got to spend the money to get the parts i REALLY need HAHA

[Redog]

Nice.

I was surprised how easy it is to pull a motor apart too, and it's fun ;)

[Spilner521]

Pulling things apart is always the easy part...

[Headstrong2740]

Pulling things apart is always the easy part...

yeah i know.. the putting it back together i feel will be the harder.... i have done a few engines before.. but none came apart this easy so i hope it goes back together smoothly :)

I got my eagle rods (h beam) in today.... im about to order the pistons

the motor is pulled apart already and i dropped the block crank and head off to be cleaned up and worked over. They will need my pistons to balance the crank though... do you think its neccasary for that honestly? i have the eagle rods which seem pretty light and the Weisco pistons im ordering now. so i dont know what they will have to do to the crank but ill see... Its at a local speed shop... these guys are well known and do good work so i guess ill see what happens
Pics will be up tonight or tomorrow

[DOHC_tuner]

You should try the 2.6 Stroker(2.3block+2.4crank=2.6stroker) or just atleast put in a 2.3 oilpump and remove the balance shaft plus add a 086 head with stiffer valve springs and put in the secret cams or Ho cams you choice depending on the pistons you ordered. Then dont forget to tune it with HPtuners or megaskirt.

[Headstrong2740]

yeah i know... god alot of money is going into this.. LOL better be f-ing worth it! i just ordered the pistons for a total of 489 shipped

[antichrysler]

LOL just don't drive it the way you did in that video... remember the key to not totalling your car is to avoid hitting things with it

[Oldsman]

yeah i know.. the putting it back together i feel will be the harder.... i have done a few engines before.. but none came apart this easy so i hope it goes back together smoothly :)

I got my eagle rods (h beam) in today.... im about to order the pistons

the motor is pulled apart already and i dropped the block crank and head off to be cleaned up and worked over. They will need my pistons to balance the crank though... do you think its neccasary for that honestly? i have the eagle rods which seem pretty light and the Weisco pistons im ordering now. so i dont know what they will have to do to the crank but ill see... Its at a local speed shop... these guys are well known and do good work so i guess ill see what happens
Pics will be up tonight or tomorrow

which speed shop.............car shop or that place on 23rd? not sure how they are with 4cyl but i know the car shop does good work. Tim and/or jim will work with ya. The car shop has done stuff for my old 71 and the 72.

[2fst4u]

i've heard good things about the 2.3 oil pump swap. don't know. maybe the one spy said about would be better than stock even. also, it would help if you showed us where we could find a set of poly bushings.

[number1alero]

one thing to remember is when building the engine up with quality parts, prices shouldnt matter unless you want an engine that will only give poor performance or break

$469 for pistons is a good price, especially if you bought Wiseco, as they have a history of good quality parts

remember its better to overkill the first time around instead of wasting money to upgrade the same part later on

[Headstrong2740]

LOL just don't drive it the way you did in that video... remember the key to not totalling your car is to avoid hitting things with it
your an idiot... my car was never totalled and the video is at a bad angle i was never close to anything to hit.

ill drive my car hard but i wont be a dick and beat the hell out of it before trading it off to some other person. thats why i feel your a douche

[Headstrong2740]

which speed shop.............car shop or that place on 23rd? not sure how they are with 4cyl but i know the car shop does good work. Tim and/or jim will work with ya. The car shop has done stuff for my old 71 and the 72.


Car shop does not do engine work anymore ( i think they had alot of problems with motors they had done) but its at Stelys in E. Moline.
they are balancing the crank (after the make sure i dont need a new one :wacko: )
then they will bore it out .020 and do the deck
and the head is getting cleaned and checked and also shaved

all for about some where close to 6-7 hundred

[Headstrong2740]

i've heard good things about the 2.3 oil pump swap. don't know. maybe the one spy said about would be better than stock even. also, it would help if you showed us where we could find a set of poly bushings.

Yeah i want them as well cause i dont want the motor to move around to much inside.
So... Spy..... any ideas or links??

and as for the quality parts... thats all im using i want the power but wow is it costing alot.
the fuel system upgrade will have to wait till later on in the summer.
but will be nice once i get it to bumb up past 8 lbs of boost.... think ill be close to 10 with that... not to bad i think :)

[Spilner521]

Yeah i want them as well cause i dont want the motor to move around to much inside.
So... Spy..... any ideas or links??

and as for the quality parts... thats all im using i want the power but wow is it costing alot.
the fuel system upgrade will have to wait till later on in the summer.
but will be nice once i get it to bumb up past 8 lbs of boost.... think ill be close to 10 with that... not to bad i think :)
If you're only going to run 10 psi, you didn't even need those forged internals. It's a good thing you have them though, as soon as you get a feel for the boost, you'll want more and more, and with a built engine, you can push a lot of power. Just make sure you get a good tune before you start hammering on it.

What are you planning for fuel upgrades? Are you upgrading the ignition at all?

And wait, did you say you wanted to shave the head?? Why would you do that? You'd be much better off with lower compression for boost. I hope you just mean they're shaving it very little just to give it a fresh surface so it'll sit perfectly flat on the block.

Which turbo are you using?

[Headstrong2740]

If you're only going to run 10 psi, you didn't even need those forged internals. It's a good thing you have them though, as soon as you get a feel for the boost, you'll want more and more, and with a built engine, you can push a lot of power. Just make sure you get a good tune before you start hammering on it.

What are you planning for fuel upgrades? Are you upgrading the ignition at all?

And wait, did you say you wanted to shave the head?? Why would you do that? You'd be much better off with lower compression for boost. I hope you just mean they're shaving it very little just to give it a fresh surface so it'll sit perfectly flat on the block.

Which turbo are you using?

yeah i ment they are shavingit to sit perfectly on the block.LOL the turbo right now is only a T3/T4 or T04 its called

i know i wont need the upgraded internals..yet.... but i will later :D
not sure what to do with fuel yet or ignition... any ideas? i havent looked into those ...yet

[Headstrong2740]

ok here are some picsi promissed incuding a shot of the area im working in.



on one pic you can see the bearing and how bad it was... poor bearing.. never stood a chance :lol:

[Spilner521]

yeah i ment they are shavingit to sit perfectly on the block.LOL the turbo right now is only a T3/T4 or T04 its called

i know i wont need the upgraded internals..yet.... but i will later :D
not sure what to do with fuel yet or ignition... any ideas? i havent looked into those ...yet
Actually that T3/T04 will be plenty, depending on the a/r's of the housings and compressor wheel trim, and should spool very quick. Do you know if it's a T04E or T04B compressor? And also which trim it is? I have a bunch of specs for different turbos, so if you let me know the dimensions, I could tell you how much power it's good for.

You really won't need to change the ignition at all at 10psi, so if you wanted you could wait 'til later to upgrade to the MSD DIS2 with boost retard, or you could do it now and get it over with, it's all up to you. Just get some good plugs like Denso Iridiums and make sure you get at least 1 step colder than stock.

For fuel you have a few options. You could use larger injectors to replace the stockers and then use HPTuners to idle and run them. Then change the MAP voltage to use a 2 BAR MAP and kind of trick the PCM into seeing boost. This way is sort of like the GM supercharger reflash.

You could also use 4 extra injectors in addition to leaving the stockers in place. You would get aluminum injector holders and weld them individually into each runner of the HO manifold, pop in the injectors and top them off with a fuel rail. Then split the stock fuel line with a Y or T fitting and run the extra end to the extra fuel rail. You'll also need an injector controller like the SDS EIC (http://www.sdsefi.com/eic.html). It works independantly of everything and fires the extra injectors when boost hits. While not in boost, the engine runs perfectly stock on the stock fuel system.

Then there's using a piggyback fuel computer like the Apexi SAFC unit to idle and run larger injectors, along with the BEGI adjustable FMU to add fuel while in boost. If you choose this route, make sure you get a high pressure fuel pump, since the FMU raises the pressure considerably.

[DOHC_tuner]

Wow nice job I didn't know you were that far. But good job, you should take a pic with the crank(just for fun I see it as a tuner pic:p )Are you going to get the secret cams and the HO intake manifold, also try and install the 086 head if you can get your hands on one. Once you put everything back watch how much torque you put on the head bolts and the cam housing bolts. My cam housing bolts had messed up threads so I had to add a new thread maker whatever its called to some of the bolts. Good Luck:haha:

[Oldsman]

Wow nice job I didn't know you were that far. But good job, you should take a pic with the crank(just for fun I see it as a tuner pic:p )Are you going to get the secret cams and the HO intake manifold, also try and install the 086 head if you can get your hands on one. Once you put everything back watch how much torque you put on the head bolts and the cam housing bolts. My cam housing bolts had messed up threads so I had to add a new thread maker whatever its called to some of the bolts. Good Luck:haha:

yea lets put the 086 head on and jump compression up to 11.4:1 and then boost it...............smart idea:rolleyes2: :badidea:

if you use the correct torque that GM says to use on the head bolts and cam towers and also remove and install in the correct pattern you won't have any problems. I sure didn't. You have to have all the information before you do something you've never done.

[Headstrong2740]

yea lets put the 086 head on and jump compression up to 11.4:1 and then boost it...............smart idea:rolleyes2: :badidea:

if you use the correct torque that GM says to use on the head bolts and cam towers and also remove and install in the correct pattern you won't have any problems. I sure didn't. You have to have all the information before you do something you've never done.

Yeah i have been unistalling everthing in the correct patterns and stuff and have all the specs on torq and install pattern as well.... piked up a tear down manual for the engine so i do it all the right way. Im keeping the head stock for now.. but i am getting my hands on the HO intake and have the secret cams as well going in.... Im about to head out into the shop and get the craddles all set up and built so when the head and block come back ill start putting it all together
i wont see the block or crank for about another week... the shop is supper busy with everyone doing engines for their race cars and tuners. But... as soon as i get it.. i wont really stop working on it till its about done and put back together. GOD that will be a long day and night. unless it goes really smoothly :D

[spyhunter]

Actually that T3/T04 will be plenty, depending on the a/r's of the housings and compressor wheel trim, and should spool very quick. Do you know if it's a T04E or T04B compressor? And also which trim it is? I have a bunch of specs for different turbos, so if you let me know the dimensions, I could tell you how much power it's good for.

You really won't need to change the ignition at all at 10psi, so if you wanted you could wait 'til later to upgrade to the MSD DIS2 with boost retard, or you could do it now and get it over with, it's all up to you. Just get some good plugs like Denso Iridiums and make sure you get at least 1 step colder than stock.

For fuel you have a few options. You could use larger injectors to replace the stockers and then use HPTuners to idle and run them. Then change the MAP voltage to use a 2 BAR MAP and kind of trick the PCM into seeing boost. This way is sort of like the GM supercharger reflash.

You could also use 4 extra injectors in addition to leaving the stockers in place. You would get aluminum injector holders and weld them individually into each runner of the HO manifold, pop in the injectors and top them off with a fuel rail. Then split the stock fuel line with a Y or T fitting and run the extra end to the extra fuel rail. You'll also need an injector controller like the SDS EIC (http://www.sdsefi.com/eic.html). It works independantly of everything and fires the extra injectors when boost hits. While not in boost, the engine runs perfectly stock on the stock fuel system.

Then there's using a piggyback fuel computer like the Apexi SAFC unit to idle and run larger injectors, along with the BEGI adjustable FMU to add fuel while in boost. If you choose this route, make sure you get a high pressure fuel pump, since the FMU raises the pressure considerably.


2.4L Alero.... so you can run the GM S/C flash no problem.
Get HPTuners, go to the tune repository, download the 2.4L GM S/C data, upload it to your car, swap your 1bar map to the 2bar map, add some injectors 440s let's you grow to 300hp+ range, and tune it up, HOLY CRAP no messing around w/ map sensor trickery, FMU's, piggybacks, NADA!!!!!

For the ignition side, get some NGK TR6's, gap them toss 'em in, enjoy.

[DOHC_tuner]

yea lets put the 086 head on and jump compression up to 11.4:1 and then boost it...............smart idea:rolleyes2: :badidea:

if you use the correct torque that GM says to use on the head bolts and cam towers and also remove and install in the correct pattern you won't have any problems. I sure didn't. You have to have all the information before you do something you've never done.

thicker head gasket to reduce the compression slightly

[Spilner521]

2.4L Alero.... so you can run the GM S/C flash no problem.
Get HPTuners, go to the tune repository, download the 2.4L GM S/C data, upload it to your car, swap your 1bar map to the 2bar map, add some injectors 440s let's you grow to 300hp+ range, and tune it up, HOLY CRAP no messing around w/ map sensor trickery, FMU's, piggybacks, NADA!!!!!

For the ignition side, get some NGK TR6's, gap them toss 'em in, enjoy.
Ahh...didn't know it was that easy to get the GM reflash. That would be the way to go!

[Spilner521]

thicker head gasket to reduce the compression slightly
Doesn't work that way. If you drop compression from 11.4:1 to the stock 9.7:1 with a head gasket, it would be so thick that it would stretch the timing chain and throw timing way out of wack, and that's if you could use that thick of a head gasket at all. Basically if you're going boost, the 086 head is out of the question. Just port the stock head and you'll be good to go.

[Oldsman]

Doesn't work that way. If you drop compression from 11.4:1 to the stock 9.7:1 with a head gasket, it would be so thick that it would stretch the timing chain and throw timing way out of wack, and that's if you could use that thick of a head gasket at all. Basically if you're going boost, the 086 head is out of the question. Just port the stock head and you'll be good to go.

exactly. thicker head gasket will screw things up more.

[Headstrong2740]

im avoiding the 086 head and thick gasket.. i had already taken the chain part into consideration. the headwill be ported... just not right away... kinda working on a budget and i figure i will get the car up and running and upgraded as much as i can right now... the rest will come as the summer goes.... hope to be able to post up numbers and updates as the summer drags on for you guys.... be sure to watch your rearview for me... ill only be there for a very short period before you see my tail lights ;)

[Headstrong2740]

little side note.... took me and a buddy 7 hours to pull the tranny and engine out... with just hand tools.... i think thats impressive... and i took the motor apart in roughly 8 - 10 hours myself with only hand tools.... had an air compressor but it didnt produce enough to help at all.... POS

thought id throw that out there ... motivation will make you only work harder and faster :D and i have lots of motivation

[DOHC_tuner]

im planning to rebuild my engine with high comp pistons and the 086 head, but I guess i wont be able to go turbo cause the pistons and head. But I want boost, so im still a little undecided. But none the less im still going to begin rebuilding the engine, first need to find a cheap lil cav as tranportation. I hope to start tommorrow.

[Headstrong2740]

im planning to rebuild my engine with high comp pistons and the 086 head, but I guess i wont be able to go turbo cause the pistons and head. But I want boost, so im still a little undecided. But none the less im still going to begin rebuilding the engine, first need to find a cheap lil cav as tranportation. I hope to start tommorrow.

haha my transportation consist of my feet and my friends :lol: i hate it.. but i dont feel like renting or buying another car for only a short period

[Spilner521]

im planning to rebuild my engine with high comp pistons and the 086 head, but I guess i wont be able to go turbo cause the pistons and head. But I want boost, so im still a little undecided. But none the less im still going to begin rebuilding the engine, first need to find a cheap lil cav as tranportation. I hope to start tommorrow.
High compression pistons and the 086 head don't mix unless you also plan to run C16 on a daily basis. It's either one or the other and then you'll need to use 91 or 93 octane, whichever one is the highest you can get. Also, when you raise the compression, boost is pretty much out of the question.

So you can A) raise the compression with either the 086 head or high compression pistons and go all motor or B) keep stock or drop compression and go with boost.

I'm not trying to steer you away or anything, but the 086 head is not the hands down answer to a high flowing head. Getting the stock head ported will provide much better flow than the 086 and you won't have to worry about all the problems with high compression or thicker head gaskets. There's also other cam options out there, so you're not limited to only the HO or secret cams.

[Headstrong2740]

High compression pistons and the 086 head don't mix unless you also plan to run C16 on a daily basis. It's either one or the other and then you'll need to use 91 or 93 octane, whichever one is the highest you can get. Also, when you raise the compression, boost is pretty much out of the question.

So you can A) raise the compression with either the 086 head or high compression pistons and go all motor or B) keep stock or drop compression and go with boost.

I'm not trying to steer you away or anything, but the 086 head is not the hands down answer to a high flowing head. Getting the stock head ported will provide much better flow than the 086 and you won't have to worry about all the problems with high compression or thicker head gaskets. There's also other cam options out there, so you're not limited to only the HO or secret cams.

any ideas on other cams guys??? Im having one hell of a time finding this intake cam from the 95 HO grand am...... if anyone has links where i can buy it new let me know.. i have the exhaust... .. REMINDER.. I WANT IT NEW!! lol Im also looking still for an idea of what Tuner or GM flash to use. links there will help to.. i know there is prolly other threads listing this.. but i dont want to search cause im triing to do so many things. GOD im stressing out over this now:banghead:

[spyhunter]

any ideas on other cams guys??? Im having one hell of a time finding this intake cam from the 95 HO grand am...... if anyone has links where i can buy it new let me know.. i have the exhaust... .. REMINDER.. I WANT IT NEW!! lol Im also looking still for an idea of what Tuner or GM flash to use. links there will help to.. i know there is prolly other threads listing this.. but i dont want to search cause im triing to do so many things. GOD im stressing out over this now:banghead:

tuning... www.hptuners.com ... I can send you the GM reflash whenever you get hptuners, so you can upload it to your car and get yourself on yourway. Super easy. Or you can go to the dealership, and have them reflash your car w/ the GMPP performance flash for the supercharger. THey may bitch, and they'll charge you $100 plus or minus $20.

W/ hptuners, it allows you to fine tune the flash to whatever fuel injectors you're running, and boost setup. It's great, gives you adjustability and fine tunability.

You're supposed to search, how do you think I managed to figure all this stuff out? Just asking for everybody to answer for me? I've had people volunteer more WRONG answers to me than right ones. DOHC_Tuner is always willing to provide an answer, but his grasp on things isn't all that good from what I have been seeing. So you have to search around talk with people that actually DO know, and come up to what works out best for you.

[Headstrong2740]

yeah i figured that but i was hoping maybe some one had a link to a place i could buy the cam... i searched for four hours today on my laptop and basically wanted to throw it out the window. I went to GM parts Direct but the engine code on the 2.3 they had was "d" and i think its supposed to be an "A" ... or am i wrong and thats the cam i want? cause if it is the one i want... i want those 3:55 minutes of my life back :lol: but yeah i plan on buying the HPtuner and yeah if you can send the gm flash that would be pretty f-ing hot ;) LOL

[Oldsman]

You're supposed to search, how do you think I managed to figure all this stuff out? Just asking for everybody to answer for me? I've had people volunteer more WRONG answers to me than right ones. DOHC_Tuner is always willing to provide an answer, but his grasp on things isn't all that good from what I have been seeing. So you have to search around talk with people that actually DO know, and come up to what works out best for you.

A M E N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoSweat83]

High compression pistons and the 086 head don't mix unless you also plan to run C16 on a daily basis. It's either one or the other and then you'll need to use 91 or 93 octane, whichever one is the highest you can get. Also, when you raise the compression, boost is pretty much out of the question.

So you can A) raise the compression with either the 086 head or high compression pistons and go all motor or B) keep stock or drop compression and go with boost.

I'm not trying to steer you away or anything, but the 086 head is not the hands down answer to a high flowing head. Getting the stock head ported will provide much better flow than the 086 and you won't have to worry about all the problems with high compression or thicker head gaskets. There's also other cam options out there, so you're not limited to only the HO or secret cams.
The 086 head stock will out flow a 2.4 ported and polished, check the flow numbers.

[Oldsman]

yeah i figured that but i was hoping maybe some one had a link to a place i could buy the cam... i searched for four hours today on my laptop and basically wanted to throw it out the window. I went to GM parts Direct but the engine code on the 2.3 they had was "d" and i think its supposed to be an "A" ... or am i wrong and thats the cam i want? cause if it is the one i want... i want those 3:55 minutes of my life back :lol: but yeah i plan on buying the HPtuner and yeah if you can send the gm flash that would be pretty f-ing hot ;) LOL

dood you might have been looking for 4 hours but you have no idea what the hell your looking for.

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17747

http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=325334&t=325334

http://www.n-body.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2794&highlight=secret+cams

For this swap you need the 95 2.3L intake camshaft, *VIN D #24574239 and the LO (LD2) 93-94 Quad 4 exhaust cam, *VIN D #24570698.

[Headstrong2740]

dood you might have been looking for 4 hours but you have no idea what the hell your looking for.

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17747

http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=325334&t=325334

http://www.n-body.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2794&highlight=secret+cams

For this swap you need the 95 2.3L intake camshaft, *VIN D #24574239 and the LO (LD2) 93-94 Quad 4 exhaust cam, *VIN D #24570698.

haha i thought so.. i have the right exhaust... but wow i did find the right intake.. just for some reason i could have sworn it was supposed to be a VIN A... haha oops!! lol no wonder it was not coming up... well guess ill be ordering that now......



Headstrong2740
:stupid: LOL

[spyhunter]

The 086 head stock will out flow a 2.4 ported and polished, check the flow numbers.

Tell that to my engine. it may be a 2001 car but I'm running a 1997 head and block. The head has been worked over and is using stock sized aftermarket valves and most everybody who are involved in the 2.3 2.4 world would agree I'm making a pretty damn healthy amount of power.

[Headstrong2740]

i wanna see it run steve.. not goign to lie :)

ok... so should i do the HP tuner or the DHP for my 2.4L??

i ordered the cam (intake) and now all ihave left to get is the tuner... and thinking baout fuel injectors... but dont think ill need them....yet :D

[Oldsman]

Tell that to my engine. it may be a 2001 car but I'm running a 1997 head and block. The head has been worked over and is using stock sized aftermarket valves and most everybody who are involved in the 2.3 2.4 world would agree I'm making a pretty damn healthy amount of power.

your car does make great power. and for your setup your head works good.

but if you actually flow test the 086 to the 2.4 head and then a full P&P 2.4 compared to a mild P&P on an 086 the 086 will still out flow on a flow bench. Flow bench numbers don't lie.

does that mean it is best for someones setup ...........no. but for anyone to make a general statement that a 2.4 will flow as good as a 086 should actually do some flow bench testing.

[Oldsman]

haha i thought so.. i have the right exhaust... but wow i did find the right intake.. just for some reason i could have sworn it was supposed to be a VIN A... haha oops!! lol no wonder it was not coming up... well guess ill be ordering that now......



Headstrong2740
:stupid: LOL

the time you took waiting for someone to just give you the answer i found 4 links that would give you the answer and then went to GMpartsdirect and priced it and could have ordered it.

[spyhunter]

i wanna see it run steve.. not goign to lie :)

ok... so should i do the HP tuner or the DHP for my 2.4L??

i ordered the cam (intake) and now all ihave left to get is the tuner... and thinking baout fuel injectors... but dont think ill need them....yet :D

DHP isn't available for the 2.4

[spyhunter]

your car does make great power. and for your setup your head works good.

but if you actually flow test the 086 to the 2.4 head and then a full P&P 2.4 compared to a mild P&P on an 086 the 086 will still out flow on a flow bench. Flow bench numbers don't lie.

does that mean it is best for someones setup ...........no. but for anyone to make a general statement that a 2.4 will flow as good as a 086 should actually do some flow bench testing.

I never said that my head outflows it. I just don't see it as a necessary swap to make a potent motor. There are other less trying ways, ESPECIALLY, to people who aren't sure what to ask for when ordering pistons.

Me personally if I could find an 086 that hasn't been abused, cracked, and repaired, and was building a new motor. I'd do it.

For this particular person I just dont see it necessary, going from the position IF I was a consultant, or builder for this motor.

[Oldsman]

For this particular person I just dont see it necessary, going from the position IF I was a consultant, or builder for this motor.

i agree

[DOHC_tuner]

iam just trying to help, sorry if i steered anybody in the wrond direction. But im learning as i go and thankz for the info.

[Headstrong2740]

ok...so i THINK i have everything ordered now and on its way here for me to put on..... this motor is going to go together so fast.... but only because i will be going all night and day (almost) till its done. I WANT MY CAR BACK :'(

Anything else i should look into... i got the HP tuner as well already on its way

[spyhunter]

motor mounts... polyurethane inserts for the mounts.

[DOHC_tuner]

motor mounts... polyurethane inserts for the mounts.

where do you get better motor mounts from. I tried carcustoms but their for the cav with the 2.4LD9 so i ask and they are not sure if it'll fit on a 2.4 alero.

[NoSweat83]

where do you get better motor mounts from. I tried carcustoms but their for the cav with the 2.4LD9 so i ask and they are not sure if it'll fit on a 2.4 alero.

They wont fit. The only mount that fits is the 3400 tranny mount. Oldsman and I have the one from RSM but, I think they closed so I dont know if anyone else makes one. With that said the only way to get better mounts is to make them yourself.

[Headstrong2740]

great... now i have to make mounts?? lol i hope i can find a "how to...." on that process. LOL anyone ever do this yet??

[NoSweat83]

If I could get my hands on the 2 mounts other than front tranny mount since I have it I could prob. be able to make them in my strength of materials class next semester and if not I would be willing to draw it up on CAD or Inventor and send it to a company for production. But, of course there has to be a demand or at least a group buy for the ball to get rolling with a company. Give me feed back if interested.

[DOHC_tuner]

If I could get my hands on the 2 mounts other than front tranny mount since I have it I could prob. be able to make them in my strength of materials class next semester and if not I would be willing to draw it up on CAD or Inventor and send it to a company for production. But, of course there has to be a demand or at least a group buy for the ball to get rolling with a company. Give me feed back if interested.

i am very interested in buying them so count me in. Im going to buy a header next payday but since we are in the general discussion of engine mounts, is it okay to install the header for now without worries of leaks and breaking something because of engine play?

[NoSweat83]

i am very interested in buying them so count me in. Im going to buy a header next payday but since we are in the general discussion of engine mounts, is it okay to install the header for now without worries of leaks and breaking something because of engine play?
I would say yes. I only know of two 2.4 alero's with a solid mount me and oldsman so, not to say that others dont have this but, I know that there are 2.4 ho's out there with a header that dont have the solid mount. You will be fine unless you (or your exaust man) dont know what your doing when your installing the down pipe and over tighten it.:ninja:

[spyhunter]

um... the 2.4L jbody tranny mounts will go into the front and rear n-body manual transmission mounts... I just did it... do you guys need a pic or something? The only difference is the lil wrist pin needs to be shaved down slightly to fit on the bracke the mount bolts onto.

[NoSweat83]

um... the 2.4L jbody tranny mounts will go into the front and rear n-body manual transmission mounts... I just did it... do you guys need a pic or something? The only difference is the lil wrist pin needs to be shaved down slightly to fit on the bracke the mount bolts onto.
I am talking about the auto. I know that there are some differences in transmissions so I would like to see pics.

[Headstrong2740]

Im going to experiment tonight in making my own poly mounts. Ill post pics and let you guys know how it goes..... lol i think it should work... but we will see... i already plan on buying new ones but if this works... ill have home made mounts that will work :D

wish me lots of luck...... ill need it HAHA

[Oldsman]

on a n-body with a 2.4 auto the only mount that works is the tranny mount for the 3400..............period. god i get so tired of saying that over and over again.

you can try filling your tranny mount with poly and it will work but not as good over time.

we just had a thread about this. don't anyone click search or look at what the other topics are.

[Cliff8928]

I have some urethane casting compound just chilling here to use for that exact purpose of filling mounts. It usually works quite well.

[Headstrong2740]

yeah... well im going to see how this does... a few of my mounts were pretty bad when we pulled it out... so im going to see how long this works till i end up replacing them.... hopefully i can find something better if this doesnt do as well..... so far they are looking good.... wish they were red... but all black

[Headstrong2740]

so far i have done two mounts.. one has cured pretty well and seems like it will hold up pretty well and work. The real test will be once the car is back together. Im only doing three of the four mounts. Ill be paying close attention to them for a while to see how they hold up. I guess if this works i can let you guys know how to make them

God... im a guinie pig for you guys .... hope your happy LOL

[Headstrong2740]

ok ran into a problem..... and i need a quick answer... i tried searching... prolly missed it.... but my exhaust manifold is not right.. (SH*T!!) so anyone know a good place to get the turbo exhaust manifold with the T3/T4 flange??? I will be needing this pretty soon or any ideas who might be able to make one for me. Ill try some of the speed shops here... but i dont know if they will be able to help. Any help would be nice..... search button was not much help but i might have missed something

[spyhunter]

what do you mean something is wrong w/ your turbo manifold? Search online for a T3 flange, and go to a welding shop, and have them lop off the old one in replace of the new one.

[Headstrong2740]

what do you mean something is wrong w/ your turbo manifold? Search online for a T3 flange, and go to a welding shop, and have them lop off the old one in replace of the new one.

lol the t3 flange is right... the flange that sits up against the head itself is wrong.... and the welding job on this manifold... is crap.... im triing some of the speed shops to see if they can do anything for me. rigth now im also searching all over online, through the search button, and through the jbody forums to see if anyone mentions where they got their manifold for the 2.4l
also im triiing to find a Walbro 255 fuel pump that i can use for the alero as well. So far all i have found was a universal one... but not sure if i want to go that route

[Oldsman]

where did you get your manifold?

sometimes check the j-body clasifieds for manifolds.

far as walbro, i know there is not an actual one for the alero but one of gm ones from their site will work.

[Spilner521]

Manifold: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHEVY-CAVALIER-Z24-TOP-MOUNT-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ190118384032QQihZ009QQcategoryZ3 3742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

For the Walbro, you can use a universal inline pump or go look over at jbody.org for the intank Walbros they're using. The Alero pump is the same as the Cavalier pump.

[Headstrong2740]

Manifold: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHEVY-CAVALIER-Z24-TOP-MOUNT-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ190118384032QQihZ009QQcategoryZ3 3742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

For the Walbro, you can use a universal inline pump or go look over at jbody.org for the intank Walbros they're using. The Alero pump is the same as the Cavalier pump.

:lol: i already had the pump in hand when you posted this one... haha sorry kinda happened on the pump.... the speed shop here (REVhard) is kinda friends with my buddy and they ordered me one over night so when i showed up to talk about the injectors.. it was there waiting for me:coolio: didnt know they were doing that for me... so worked out nice
Any of you guys that are local.... they got their Dyno in... and it is pretty nice... so... yeah... i want to see more GM there... they do alot with the DSM vehicles but they do alot with the Fords as well as others.... you should see some of their projects cars... wild shit!

[Headstrong2740]

Ok update for you guys.... after waiting a long ass time for my pistons they showed up last friday and i turned them over to the speed shop who is now doing the block work and blue printing and balancing my crank. ALL OF IT WILL BE DONE TONIGHT OR TOMORROW MORNING!!!!

Once i get it back the motor will go back together pretty quickly. Im not leaving for atlanta till friday afternoonish so all day thursday and most of the night ill be putting it back together. Once i return ill finish what i need to before i drop it back in the car. Once i start dropping it in.. ill work on the pipe work and the fuel pump. Then ill be doing a tune where i can atleast to break it in and get it to the speed shop and throw it on the dyno and tune it much better on there. While im driving it for the break in period ill keep adjusting my tune since im sure ill prolly notice things while im driving it around more.

Now... here is where you guys come in. Should i run any different anti-freeze, oil, spark plugs? I remeber seeing some one say something about NGK plugs but i dont i remember what number they said. Ill look around again and see what i can find. Also the tranny is getting flushed and all new fluid.


Once the car is done i want to see if i can get the local guys from the area and who ever else wants to to come down for a weekend to the drag track here (Cordova) and do some runs together and hang out. Granted this will be towards the end of the summer mind you... i want to break it in well and get the tune down. Plus i need to see if its open on the weekends for open runs or what.

[spyhunter]

just run whatever has been in there, the gm shit for coolant... oil run regular 5w30 until about 1000-1500 miles.. it'll scrub off any leftover metal in the car.

I've always been in the habit on a fresh motor to change the oil at 50, 100, 500, 1000, 1500 miles

after that a nice synthetic is always lovely like redline or mobil1 or royal purple...

spark plugs on a boosted motor NGK TR6's work wonders.