Damn you 2.4 Manual Coupe Owners!!!

[Americana]

Ok I own a 2000 Chevy Lumina (HATE IT, SORRY ASS 3.1 and UGLY to top it off) I am looking into getting a new car and the Alero caught my eye. I asked in a previous post which is better 3.4 Oooooooor the 2.4, and the alero gods refered me to you all, with one draw back, manual tranny! So I break it down I want a Coupe, 2.4, manual, EASY!...Right? Wrong, car.com I put 500 miles away and just search. Not one with all three. COUPE WOO HOO but its a 3.4. 2.4 WOO HOO but its a auto! WHY ME! WHY CANT MY CAR BUYING EXPERIENCE JUST BE EASY! haha. Knowing me i'll find ONE and it will be the complete opposite of a factory freak as they can come. haha (20 sec 0-60, 50 sec quarter!! HAHAHAHA) Well all in all I am one envious SOB. :cry:

[jackal2000]

lol yea they didnt make a lot of manual twin cams.

[Marrko]

buy a chevy alero like mine :) almost all 2.4 and 3.4 come with manual and only small number with automatic... :)

[spyhunter]

buy a chevy alero like mine :) almost all 2.4 and 3.4 come with manual and only small number with automatic... :)

sneaky sneaky. you're in europe.

[protocol7]

My 2.4 w/ 5-speed manual sat on the dealer's lot for 6 months prior to me buying it. The combo wasn't very popular, so relatively few were made.

Good luck!

[antichrysler]

They have manual 3.4's over there?

[Vinalero]

^^thats what I was wondering, I thought they didn't even make a transmission that fitted the 3.4

[MixtapeMessiah]

I highly doubt theres a manual tranmission for the 3400

[Alon Alero]

haha a 3.4 manual could be a blast but nah no way there r original 3.4 manual aleros... here we have a respected amount of "chevy aleros" and they r all automatic (including the 3.4, 2.4 and 2.2).

[Americana]

I guess im just going to have to break down and buy a 3.4, how many mods are avaliable for the 3400 SFI? And do all the Grand Am mods fit?

[TurboAleroGT40]

Yeps , they are the same car with diff body panels and interior.
And there's no thing as a manual Alero/grand am with the 3.4 engine. Only if you do a costume jobs like me.

[Americana]

I noticed that the Alero says 170 hp and the Grand Am GT says 175. Whats with this?

[MixtapeMessiah]

ram air on the grand am, 5 hp more

[Americana]

haha wow, that is really what there excuse for the extra 5 is? well if they insist. haha, thanks mixtape.

[TurboAleroGT40]

hmm and they have a diff tranny final drive( Grand am GT) then the alero.

[jackal2000]

hmm and they have a diff tranny final drive( Grand am GT) then the alero.

yea GAGT is 3.29 and alero is 3.05 IIRC.

[Cliff8928]

My 2.4 w/ 5-speed manual sat on the dealer's lot for 6 months prior to me buying it. The combo wasn't very popular, so relatively few were made.

Good luck!

My '04 was at least at it's 3rd dealer when i got it, and a whole year after it rolled off the line.

^^thats what I was wondering, I thought they didn't even make a transmission that fitted the 3.4

The V6 bell housing never changed. There's a bunch of engines that share that bell housing and flywheel pattern to use the manual transmission from.

[TurboAleroGT40]

Yeps, I used a Hm 282 in my manual swap setup. But there's newier manual gearboxes that could fit to

[spyhunter]

2.4 or 2.2 is a better choice for the alero than the 3.4, if you want to build it up to make sick power.

[antichrysler]

^Agreed. The 3.4 is the better option if you're staying stock though

[spyhunter]

^Agreed. The 3.4 is the better option if you're staying stock though

no it's not.

[NoSweat83]

^Agreed. The 3.4 is the better option if you're staying stock though
What motor did you have?

[antichrysler]

I had the 3.4. For city mileage it wasn't very good, but highway it's the same if not better than the 4 cyl and has more get up and go.

[Vinalero]

It sure has a lot of get up and go when you drive it in first :p

[steve-o]

get a ecotec, way better then the 2.4. :p

[antichrysler]

lol har har har.... believe it or not there was a time when i liked that car...

but seriously... the 3400 is pretty decent for highway driving, it's quieter than the 4 cyl, better for passing, and if you're going through the mountains it's good for up hill climbs

but i do agree the ecotec is better than the 2.4

[Alon Alero]

lol har har har.... believe it or not there was a time when i liked that car...

but seriously... the 3400 is pretty decent for highway driving, it's quieter than the 4 cyl, better for passing, and if you're going through the mountains it's good for up hill climbs

but i do agree the ecotec is better than the 2.4


Why is it better than the twin-cam ?

[NoSweat83]

lol har har har.... believe it or not there was a time when i liked that car...

but seriously... the 3400 is pretty decent for highway driving, it's quieter than the 4 cyl, better for passing, and if you're going through the mountains it's good for up hill climbs

but i do agree the ecotec is better than the 2.4
Are you sure for 50 points?:coolio:

[billytheman1188]

The 3.4 is dirty, if you throw headers, intake, and exhaust on it will sound like a beast, no 2.4 or 2.2 will sound like the 3.4.

[NoSweat83]

The 3.4 is dirty, if you throw headers, intake, and exhaust on it will sound like a beast, no 2.4 or 2.2 will sound like the 3.4.
It's true the 3.4 has a deeper tone and its to be expected. But there is so much more aftermarket for the 2.4 & 2.2 that performance wise the four banger is a better option.;)

[billytheman1188]

yea there are more options, but if this guy doesnt want to put TOO MUCH money into the car, the 3.4 is the way to go.

I would love to have a 4 banger so i can put a supercharger on it! but i dont, im over it ;-) I still love the 3.4 though, yea it gets the same MPG in the city as my moms 05 xterra, LOL, but it sounds beautiful!!

[NoSweat83]

The 3.4 is your fav. motor and thats fine... mods are mods they cost money. If you look at what someone like blackjack has done the 3.4 cost more to mod cause there is not much of an aftermarket.

[billytheman1188]

The 3.4 is your fav. motor and thats fine... mods are mods they cost money. If you look at what someone like blackjack has done the 3.4 cost more to mod cause there is not much of an aftermarket.

lol im not even gonna try to explain what im trying to say.

[NoSweat83]

It's cool... Back on topic.

[Spilner521]

Why is it better than the twin-cam ?
Newer, more efficient, stronger, lighter, more aftermarket support, etc.

I'm swapping my 2.4 for the Eco for those reasons.

[DOHC_tuner]

Newer, more efficient, stronger, lighter, more aftermarket support, etc.

I'm swapping my 2.4 for the Eco for those reasons.

Will you sell me the charge pipes and intercooler when you finally do the swap?

[antichrysler]

what billy is trying to say is that if you're not looking at doing crazy mods and you just want a bit more power from a stock engine the 3.4 is a better option than the 2.2 or 2.4. IMO a stock 2.2 or 2.4 is pretty gutless. I do agree though that the 2.2 and 2.4 have better aftermarket support.

[MixtapeMessiah]

depends on how much money u got imo, if u got a tonnn of money drop a 3.5 northstar ;) be unique, rwd that ho as well

[billytheman1188]

what billy is trying to say is that if you're not looking at doing crazy mods and you just want a bit more power from a stock engine the 3.4 is a better option than the 2.2 or 2.4. IMO a stock 2.2 or 2.4 is pretty gutless. I do agree though that the 2.2 and 2.4 have better aftermarket support.


yes, thats what im trying to say. Im not saying the 3.4 has a better aftermarket, cause i know it doesnt. but if this guy doesnt wanna do crazy mods to his car, the 3.4 is a better option cause you will have more power...

[Cliff8928]

what billy is trying to say is that if you're not looking at doing crazy mods and you just want a bit more power from a stock engine the 3.4 is a better option than the 2.2 or 2.4. IMO a stock 2.2 or 2.4 is pretty gutless. I do agree though that the 2.2 and 2.4 have better aftermarket support.

Aside from right off the line, a stock 3400 Alero can't keep up with my Ecotec. The 3400 does have the low end torque advantage..

I own a 3400 and an Ecotec and i like them both, however I guess I'm a low-end torque junkie because I find the 3400 more satisfying to drive around town. But the Ecotec is loaded with aftermarket support from mild to wild. Modifying the 3400 is more like finding what fits, or having other parts modified or custom one-off parts made.

I think there's more to be said about a extensively modified 3400, just because it requires that much more effort and ingenuity to do it.

[Alon Alero]

Newer, more efficient, stronger, lighter, more aftermarket support, etc.

I'm swapping my 2.4 for the Eco for those reasons.


Yeah its newer, more efficient etc but is it really stronger? because when it comes to stock the 2.4 looks stronger on the paper... but yeah i guess youre right since it is newer and got more aftermarket coz its popular and its german lol.

[antichrysler]

Cliff is right. Is your ecotec stock?

I'd say of all the engines the ecotec is the best compromise of performance and mods, just because it's used in so many cars and has such a big aftermarket and is still not unacceptably slow when it's stock. The 3.4 has adequate power, and since it's used in mini-vans (yuck) I seriously think that played a big part in it's small aftermarket.

[spyhunter]

The 3.4 is dirty, if you throw headers, intake, and exhaust on it will sound like a beast, no 2.4 or 2.2 will sound like the 3.4.

No 3.4 sounds like my 2.4. It's just beastly and gnarly sounding.

See I can say the exact same thing as you. Plus I have the power to back up the beautiful sounds, unlike the lil pushrod thing.

[Cliff8928]

I demand a good sound clip of your 2.4!

I just want to hear a gnarly sounding twin-cam =). I've heard my share of quads with a very V8-like lope to their idle...