View Full Version : new alero...new girl
sillygirl
09-09-2007, 09:32 AM
hello I'm 17 and i just got my first alero....its a GL with the 3.4 Lt. V6......I'm on a quest to make it a sleeper but doing silly little mods right now ..."will have pictures soon" but yea im new so if i say something and you feel the need to grill me about it please do i need to learn but for now show me some love!;)
pawzbear
09-09-2007, 09:48 AM
warning: theres not many of us girls on here, so your gonna have to deal with a lot of 'leg humping' lol!
Nice to have you, though!
sillygirl
09-09-2007, 09:55 AM
ha im used to leg humping....lol:coolio: :jk:
Mr_Reed
09-09-2007, 10:08 AM
...lol no comment if you where from Florida it'd be alllll goood lol
welcome to Aleromod
jackal2000
09-09-2007, 10:33 AM
welcome to the show
tonyboi261
09-09-2007, 10:58 AM
your from kansas XD ...clear your corners makes aleros so much sexier:coolio:
[ion] C2
09-09-2007, 11:20 AM
welcomez country girl
TheMeaningOfLife
09-09-2007, 11:22 AM
Hello! Glad so see more people from kansas and missouri.
NoSweat83
09-09-2007, 11:40 AM
Welcome to Aleromod.
ha im used to leg humping....lol:coolio: :jk:
by the way... sense your used to it...
Oldsman
09-09-2007, 11:46 AM
welcome to the family
sillygirl
09-09-2007, 11:46 AM
Welcome to Aleromod.
by the way... sense your used to it...
lol your my favorite lol congrats:lol:
meadus101
09-09-2007, 12:09 PM
your from kansas XD ...clear your corners makes aleros so much sexier:coolio:
I'm sure the girl needs no help in being Sexy.
jabartram
09-09-2007, 12:16 PM
Al i can really say is WOW and welcome.
by the way? do you have any plans for modifying the car?
Satsuriku
09-09-2007, 12:40 PM
well might as well add to the leg humpping......cause DAMNN!! lol sorry had to be done
anyways, welcome and once you have some plans going for your alero and need any help, by all means, ask away, theres tons of talent and experiance on this site with aleros and some of the ideas these guys will give will blow you away!
sillygirl
09-09-2007, 01:08 PM
ha thanks ill be sure to ask don't worry......but how many of you have big exausts...because i don't know that much but i know it will just make you loose compression i would like to hear some words on that. out of curiosity
Satsuriku
09-09-2007, 01:19 PM
theres tons of different custom installs ppl have done and its not so much the size of the muffler as it is as to how it is designed and if its a cat back or not (cat back = goes from muffler right to the catayltic converter with nothing inbetween. magnaflow is one of the best out there). some would consider bigger mufflers to be fart cans or rice, mine is a bit bigger then i would like it to be but it sounds damn good!!
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2011/muffler1sa9.jpg
pimpalero2003
09-09-2007, 01:34 PM
i have no muffler just and angle tip under the car
and welcome
pawzbear
09-09-2007, 01:36 PM
^^uhm yeh u dont wanna do that. lol =-P
pimpalero2003
09-09-2007, 01:47 PM
yeah it sounds like crap but dont care about peformance u dont see my pipe from behing though
alerocar01
09-09-2007, 02:33 PM
welcome to the site
Vtolds
09-09-2007, 02:44 PM
Welcome to the site, I am sure that there are a few ideas on here for some forced induction that would make your car one hell of a sleeper.
adam337
09-09-2007, 03:23 PM
the last girl that came here ended up leaving after 1 or 2 days she couldnt handle us. Can you?
oh. and welcome
DUSTIN0285
09-09-2007, 03:25 PM
welcome to the site!!!
Steven01
09-09-2007, 03:29 PM
:o whoa Welcome :D
AJules
09-09-2007, 03:33 PM
i have no muffler just and angle tip under the car
and welcome
just out of curiosity, why would you do that?
cherrington17
09-09-2007, 04:18 PM
I'm not from kansas... so i'll more my answer from the other thread, to this one...
catback (or other exhaust kit) ~$300-600
bigger throttle body ~$200
Headers ~$600
Upgraded PCM ~$250
optional accessory stuff - grounding wire upgrades, spark plugs and wires, port and polish (if you know a good engine guy)
If your looking for forced induction, try getting in contact with Blackjack. Hes building a monster 3.4L alero.
Abuse the search key, alot of the engine upgrades are commonly debated among members, as to whats good and whats not.
It becomes pretty apparent who the more knowledgeable people on site are. (i'm not saying myself... i can do general maintance and thats as far as my engine knowledge goes. i'm more electically/biologically oriented.) :lol:
cutelilcntrygrl
09-09-2007, 04:23 PM
welcome. just dont marry one of these leg humpers.
pimpalero2003
09-09-2007, 04:32 PM
just out of curiosity, why would you do that?
well im kitted and the stock muffler hit
AJules
09-09-2007, 04:43 PM
well im kitted and the stock muffler hit
oh I see
sillygirl
09-09-2007, 05:20 PM
I'm not from kansas... so i'll more my answer from the other thread, to this one...
catback (or other exhaust kit) ~$300-600
bigger throttle body ~$200
Headers ~$600
Upgraded PCM ~$250
optional accessory stuff - grounding wire upgrades, spark plugs and wires, port and polish (if you know a good engine guy)
If your looking for forced induction, try getting in contact with Blackjack. Hes building a monster 3.4L alero.
Abuse the search key, alot of the engine upgrades are commonly debated among members, as to whats good and whats not.
It becomes pretty apparent who the more knowledgeable people on site are. (i'm not saying myself... i can do general maintance and thats as far as my engine knowledge goes. i'm more electically/biologically oriented.) :lol:
thanks i do want forced induction
Satsuriku
09-09-2007, 05:30 PM
$200 for a PCM cherry? god i hope you didnt pay that cause you got raped then! i got a custom PCM on a group by, programmed based on my current mods for like $90.00 (though customs raped my wallet though!!)
pawzbear
09-09-2007, 05:32 PM
the last girl that came here ended up leaving after 1 or 2 days she couldnt handle us. Can you?
oh. and welcome
hahaha oh i remember her. she was straight crazy tho, and sillyalero here is nothing like her so far..!
AJules
09-09-2007, 05:32 PM
thanks i do want forced induction
that's gonna be a lot of $$$$ if you have the v6
pawzbear
09-09-2007, 05:32 PM
welcome. just dont marry one of these leg humpers.
yeh dont even date them! lord.
sillygirl
09-09-2007, 05:38 PM
that's gonna be a lot of $$$$ if you have the v6
lol allot of money i dont have.......but i dunno this is a project for me to prove my self a bit
AJules
09-09-2007, 05:44 PM
lol same here, I'm trying to go the same route in a couple months actually
but lucky me I have the 2.4, so I'm gonna end up getting the gm supercharger (hopefully)
keep us updated with what you do with it though
Satsuriku
09-09-2007, 05:49 PM
well keep in mind that theres nothing wrong with starting small, like a cold air intake, cat back and a custom PCM, and then slowly work your way up once you get the cash :)
Alon Alero
09-09-2007, 06:04 PM
Welcome!!!
what do u exactly mean when u say lose compression? and why?
pawzbear
09-09-2007, 06:08 PM
i think she means losing backpressure or low end hp.
cherrington17
09-09-2007, 07:21 PM
$200 for a PCM cherry? god i hope you didnt pay that cause you got raped then! i got a custom PCM on a group by, programmed based on my current mods for like $90.00 (though customs raped my wallet though!!)
90... is after the core return... i thought. Maybe I'm wrong... But i didn't do the pcm swap. i can't afford high octane. :lol:
Satsuriku
09-09-2007, 07:51 PM
90... is after the core return... i thought. Maybe I'm wrong... But i didn't do the pcm swap. i can't afford high octane. :lol:
mine was custom done by MP and i dont need high octane, i just gave them my current mods, the gas i use and they program it based on the info i give them. i dont even use 91 and it works just fine. and it wasent with the core return cause i still have my original one sitting in my room
whiteliquid
09-09-2007, 08:48 PM
Welcome....
WE need some pics!!!;)
Oldsnut
09-09-2007, 09:06 PM
Welcome to the gang sillygirl. Isn't Kechi around Wichita or thereabouts? At least my wife thinks so, she is originally a Kansan. She got smart and realized the best leg humpers were in the Chicago area so she moved here.
Have fun with the Alero.
Silentalero
09-09-2007, 09:13 PM
welcome n such
so high school eh? :lol: jk
sillygirl
09-09-2007, 09:15 PM
yea I'm 18 in march i guess looking forward to that......im jail bait lol i have had that nick name for a while at the track here........but kechi is close to Wichita your wife is right
pimpalero2003
09-09-2007, 09:17 PM
Mark U Have Time Till March Haha
telcart
09-09-2007, 09:29 PM
90... is after the core return... i thought. Maybe I'm wrong... But i didn't do the pcm swap. i can't afford high octane.
Or just get a $20 OBDII-Serial connector and some software and do it yourself... this being the computer tech's perspective.
telcart
09-09-2007, 09:37 PM
Mind you, this software would likely need to be custom... and if not already available would be difficult to code around the ODB standard.
cavaliers60
09-09-2007, 09:42 PM
Man, she's had more posts on here in one day than many threads get in a week. lol Welcome to the site!
alerored04
09-09-2007, 09:54 PM
Or just get a $20 OBDII-Serial connector and some software and do it yourself... this being the computer tech's perspective.
The software is $400 from dhp and is difficult to use. Not something for the beginner. The $90 pcm is a much better bet.
telcart
09-09-2007, 10:01 PM
Yeah and the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection I just downloaded is $2499 USD...
I haven't paid for any software, music, movies, or games since I got a highspeed internet connection about 6 years ago. I'm sure there's a way to find it...
pawzbear
09-09-2007, 10:13 PM
welcome n such
so high school eh? :lol: jk
oh marc u dirty, dirty man!!! lol i think shes too old for you anyways =-P
01silveralero
09-09-2007, 10:20 PM
welcome. just dont marry one of these leg humpers.
why not? :(
Silentalero
09-09-2007, 10:25 PM
Mark U Have Time Till March Haha
:lol: :lol:
pimpalero2003
09-09-2007, 10:30 PM
Gigity Gigity Gigity
Silentalero
09-09-2007, 10:44 PM
ay what did i just walk into :lol:
01silveralero
09-09-2007, 10:48 PM
ay what did i just walk into :lol:
go back to being silent :lol: :lol:
2.2l Monster
09-09-2007, 10:52 PM
Welcome pretty lady! Good luck with your car!
Cliff8928
09-10-2007, 12:10 AM
ha thanks ill be sure to ask don't worry......but how many of you have big exausts...because i don't know that much but i know it will just make you loose compression i would like to hear some words on that. out of curiosity
It makes you lose back-pressure, not compression. But that's not a bad thing, back-pressure is bad.
Cliff8928
09-10-2007, 12:12 AM
oh marc u dirty, dirty man!!! lol i think shes too old for you anyways =-P
More like the right age for your stalker, right Pawz?
pimpalero2003
09-10-2007, 12:16 AM
sillygirl hae u been floded with pms yet
cutelilcntrygrl
09-10-2007, 12:18 AM
why not? :(
because i married one and now look what i'm going through..check the thread out in girl talk.
Oldsnut
09-10-2007, 12:26 AM
because i married one and now look what i'm going through..check the thread out in girl talk.
Don't judge all because of one, Some of us on here are great sposues/partners/significant others (just being PC, I hope).
adam337
09-10-2007, 12:37 AM
funny. i seem to have the nickname jailbait on this site
billytheman1188
09-10-2007, 12:42 AM
Welcome to the site!!! Now you better stick with modding your alero and not sell it like 80% of the people on here!!
What year is the car? how many miles? what color? i mean.....there are no pics, so you need to give the details!:lol:
adam337
09-10-2007, 12:43 AM
dont paint your engine bay blue!
billytheman1188
09-10-2007, 12:44 AM
STFU adam! hahaha. I was young and stupid ;-)
adam337
09-10-2007, 12:50 AM
its kay billy. i still love you. even if you had horrible taste. :)
Satsuriku
09-10-2007, 12:55 AM
even if you had horrible taste. :)
the word "had" is a past tense..........sorry but he still does, or "had" does not apply to him as he still has bad taste..........also, the color blue still haunts me til this day cause of that bastard!!! :lol:
pimpalero2003
09-10-2007, 12:59 AM
adam y do u love everybody u said that to me a couple days ago
Satsuriku
09-10-2007, 01:00 AM
cause he had a taste of billy and got stupid.........wonder if there's a connection with that hahaha
adam337
09-10-2007, 02:12 AM
what can i say. im a loving guy. dont get jealous..damnz xD
pimpalero2003
09-10-2007, 02:19 AM
i dont know what to say
adam337
09-10-2007, 02:58 AM
lmfao
Oldsnut
09-10-2007, 03:12 AM
what can i say. im a loving guy. dont get jealous..damnz xD
Lets keep it at that! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
pimpalero2003
09-10-2007, 03:18 AM
pawz miht lose her stalker now
sillygirl
09-10-2007, 07:00 AM
Welcome to the site!!! Now you better stick with modding your alero and not sell it like 80% of the people on here!!
What year is the car? how many miles? what color? i mean.....there are no pics, so you need to give the details!:lol:
1999 arctic white " duh" 44,000 miles on it yes 44,000 and in perfect condition other than olds shity dash boards.....peace of shit its rippling on me....im fixing it tho....o its the GL coupe
pawzbear
09-10-2007, 07:04 AM
pawz miht lose her stalker now
nah i think im stuck with him as my stalker for life -_-"
NoSweat83
09-10-2007, 08:25 AM
what can i say. im a loving guy. dont get jealous..damnz xD
A little off topic are we? Either way I agree with oldsnut but, I'll put it this way.
FrankTheTank
09-10-2007, 08:48 AM
the leghumping may never end...
adam337
09-10-2007, 08:55 AM
candace you know you want me. and lol @ all teh homophobicness
Daytona
09-10-2007, 10:53 AM
Welcome aboard!
alero168
09-10-2007, 11:14 AM
i think you set a record for the most pages just for a "new member intro"
cherrington17
09-10-2007, 11:18 AM
i was just gonna say... i think i was welcomed by like.... 4 people?
this is now post 84. sheesh. horn balls are jumping all over the jailbait... and only like what... 3 from marc? but then again, i'm sure its hard to post while hes driving out to find her... :emotlol:
Silentalero
09-10-2007, 11:25 AM
:lol: bastids....
cavaliers60
09-10-2007, 11:27 AM
well not ALL the posts are welcoming posts. lol Most of them are leg humping posts.
sillygirl
09-10-2007, 11:39 AM
you guys make me feel special:wub: so much love....lol proseed with the leg humping lol.....j/k im getting c-o-c-k-y now.....
cavaliers60
09-10-2007, 11:45 AM
Have you posted pics of your car yet??
sillygirl
09-10-2007, 11:56 AM
i will be posting pictures in a few days
cherrington17
09-10-2007, 12:01 PM
:lol: she had to get pics of herself up first.
get with the program cav! priorities... PRIORITES!!
sillygirl
09-10-2007, 12:05 PM
:lol: she had to get pics of herself up first.
get with the program cav! priorities... PRIORITES!!
lol there just pictures i had around on the computer to the contrary i rather have my car...thats why i joined this thing........my boyfriend makes fun of me for it tho.....
cherrington17
09-10-2007, 12:09 PM
ut oh... she finally mentions a b/f. leghumpers around the net just zipped their pants back up and started to cry. :emotlol:
doubleN0alero
09-10-2007, 12:16 PM
Haha, its funny...new memeber thread with a girl 5 pages long in a day or so...new member thread with a guy, 1 page tops over a month. Funny how that works.
Welcome to the site.
shiny alero
09-10-2007, 12:17 PM
welcome to the site! and if you have any detailing quistions ask away, theres a reason my name is shineyalero :)
Silentalero
09-10-2007, 12:17 PM
ut oh... she finally mentions a b/f. leghumpers around the net just zipped their pants back up and started to cry. :emotlol:
do i even wanna know what your doing with her pics in that case?:ninja: :lol:
in all reality def post some pics up, hit up some local meets and have fun, its why the site is here. Bring your bf to the meets to, the more the merrier.
shiny alero
09-10-2007, 12:21 PM
yeah bring your b/f...and...do you have a sister? j/p lol
Silentalero
09-10-2007, 12:29 PM
yeah bring your b/f...and...do you have a sister? j/p lol
lord, it just doesnt end.
shiny alero
09-10-2007, 12:31 PM
^^ i just had to fit in lol, actually. its nice to have more girl car enthusiest!. <<not spelled right
cavaliers60
09-10-2007, 12:51 PM
She will have to come to ASS next year. I'm planning on going next year now that i'm getting more stuff done to my car.
ares89
09-10-2007, 01:05 PM
Welcome! wait.. you're not 18? ... woot still legal on my side!
01silveralero
09-10-2007, 01:05 PM
because i married one and now look what i'm going through..check the thread out in girl talk.
i know i read
01silveralero
09-10-2007, 01:26 PM
ut oh... she finally mentions a b/f. leghumpers around the net just zipped their pants back up and started to cry. :emotlol:
could still leghump :lol: :lol:
01silveralero
09-10-2007, 01:27 PM
welcome to the site! and if you have any detailing quistions ask away, theres a reason my name is shineyalero :)
sad u still cant spell ur name right :p
p1mptress
09-10-2007, 01:35 PM
Welcome! Another girl! YEAH!!!! Soon enough there will hopefully be more of us girls than guys.... I can dream! :lol:
pawzbear
09-10-2007, 01:38 PM
hahA yeh right kimmy i doubt that would happen.. hmm i never even made a new member thread back when i was a noob!
pimpalero2003
09-10-2007, 02:00 PM
either did i
billytheman1188
09-10-2007, 03:00 PM
1999 arctic white " duh" 44,000 miles on it yes 44,000 and in perfect condition other than olds shity dash boards.....peace of shit its rippling on me....im fixing it tho....o its the GL coupe
Nice......coupes are sweet. get those pics soon! your procrastinating:lol:
TheMeaningOfLife
09-10-2007, 04:08 PM
1999 arctic white " duh" 44,000 miles on it yes 44,000 and in perfect condition other than olds shity dash boards.....peace of shit its rippling on me....im fixing it tho....o its the GL coupe
Ha! White coupes ftw.:p
Satsuriku
09-10-2007, 09:23 PM
hahA yeh right kimmy i doubt that would happen.. hmm i never even made a new member thread back when i was a noob!
same, i just kinda slipped in and here i am hahaha
and ya kimmy, in this meat market? keep dreaming young one cause only when hell is frozen over and its the angels v.s demons for the stanley cup!
cherrington17
09-10-2007, 10:01 PM
^don't you mean when buffalo wins in any professional sport??
jayson_waltz
09-10-2007, 10:30 PM
hmm i never even made a new member thread back when i was a noob!
either did i
Satsuriku
09-10-2007, 10:46 PM
^don't you mean when buffalo wins in any professional sport??
HAHAHAHA!!!! ohhhh burn man, thats funny as hell
alero440
09-11-2007, 09:50 AM
YAY another new girl! Welcome have fun enjoy and all that other fun stuff :) The boys are harmless, just smack them around if need be, lol
lonnie
09-12-2007, 10:44 AM
What's this thread about again?
Silentalero
09-12-2007, 11:42 AM
this damn thing is still going?
steve-o
09-12-2007, 01:16 PM
well I'm a little late on this one, lol.
Welcome!
TheMeaningOfLife
09-12-2007, 04:51 PM
What's this thread about again?
Its about leg humping, kansas women, kansas womens sisters, their B/Fs, girls on aleromod and i think thats it....
ooh ohh yeah! Its a new member intro to!
FoosedGrandamGT
09-13-2007, 12:29 AM
hello I'm 17 and i just got my first alero....its a GL with the 3.4 Lt. V6......I'm on a quest to make it a sleeper but doing silly little mods right now ..."will have pictures soon" but yea im new so if i say something and you feel the need to grill me about it please do i need to learn but for now show me some love!;)
Shit girl I'll show ya some love lol
steve-o
09-13-2007, 02:23 PM
Shit girl I'll show ya some love lol
This guy has been here since dec 2006, and has two posts and this is one of them. lol
p1mptress
09-13-2007, 06:18 PM
This guy has been here since dec 2006, and has two posts and this is one of them. lol
lol thats pretty funny! And a little scary also. :eek:
billytheman1188
09-13-2007, 08:59 PM
This guy has been here since dec 2006, and has two posts and this is one of them. lol
LMFAO:lol::lol: thats funny
Satsuriku
09-13-2007, 11:45 PM
i smell a stalker!!
oh wait nm, its just marc again :p
sillygirl
09-14-2007, 11:13 AM
Its about leg humping, kansas women, kansas womens sisters, their B/Fs, girls on aleromod and i think thats it....
ooh ohh yeah! Its a new member intro to!
dont forget stalkers...im geting closer to those pictures i took some.....now i just need to put them on
robz02alero
09-14-2007, 11:35 AM
Hello, my welcome is late but non the less glad to have you with us.
lonnie
09-17-2007, 12:00 PM
Its about leg humping, kansas women, kansas womens sisters, their B/Fs, girls on aleromod and i think thats it....
ooh ohh yeah! Its a new member intro to!
Thanks for clearing that up! Sign me up for leg humping (LOL)
FoosedGrandamGT
09-18-2007, 09:03 PM
This guy has been here since dec 2006, and has two posts and this is one of them. lol
Actually I dont know why I only have 2 Posts I've Posted Quite a few times in the for sale section tryin to sell an AAS bodykit I have guess they arent showin up plus in the car news forum or whatever the hell that is theres post from when I first started my profile
lonnie
09-19-2007, 03:18 PM
Someone please kill this thread this is the longest running introduction I have ever seen. This is begging to be closed. Anyway have I missed the leg humping? LMAO
01silveralero
09-19-2007, 05:11 PM
just starting :p
lonnie
09-20-2007, 03:22 PM
just starting :pALRIGHT!!:yahoo:
01silveralero
09-20-2007, 03:31 PM
dont forget stalkers...im geting closer to those pictures i took some.....now i just need to put them on
http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/images/smilies/leghump.gif :yahoo:
TheMeaningOfLife
09-20-2007, 05:12 PM
You guys seem to mis-understand how vicious mid-western women/girls are. Lemme tell ya...
01silveralero
09-20-2007, 10:45 PM
You guys seem to mis-understand how vicious mid-western women/girls are. Lemme tell ya...
they aren't vicious :lol: a little bite is fine :p
Oldsnut
09-20-2007, 10:56 PM
I married a girl from Kansas, Hooooooooooooooray for farm girls.
steve-o
09-21-2007, 06:25 AM
Oldsnut, I seen this bug crawling on my screen, I tried to kill it, but it just wouldn't die. Then I realized it was part of your signature.. haha j/k
01silveralero
09-21-2007, 01:04 PM
Oldsnut, I seen this bug crawling on my screen, I tried to kill it, but it just wouldn't die. Then I realized it was part of your signature.. haha j/k
somebody was :drunk: :lol:
Oldsnut
09-23-2007, 12:26 AM
Oldsnut, I seen this bug crawling on my screen, I tried to kill it, but it just wouldn't die. Then I realized it was part of your signature.. haha j/k
Gotcha!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Silentalero
09-23-2007, 03:07 PM
Oldsnut, I seen this bug crawling on my screen, I tried to kill it, but it just wouldn't die. Then I realized it was part of your signature.. haha j/k
dont feel bad that lil SOB got me to :lol:
01silveralero
09-23-2007, 10:13 PM
this thread still isnt dead yet but they kill my story thread in like 2 secs :(
zoomie
09-24-2007, 03:20 PM
Welcome aboard......
01silveralero
09-24-2007, 08:40 PM
Welcome aboard......
noobs shouldnt be able to welcome other noobs :lol:
zoomie
09-24-2007, 08:49 PM
You're spending WAY too much time here...
I was here first anyway.
So when is the initiation over, 430 posts?
01silveralero
09-24-2007, 08:54 PM
You're spending WAY too much time here...
I was here first anyway.
So when is the initiation over, 430 posts?
not all of them were useless posts :p most of them were in my own threads i started anyways.
zoomie
09-24-2007, 08:58 PM
Ok, ok.
Hey what's it meen your working on a 3800? You gonna put that in your alero? I have on in my 01 buick regal and it's been a fantastic engine.
01silveralero
09-24-2007, 09:00 PM
Ok, ok.
Hey what's it meen your working on a 3800? You gonna put that in your alero? I have on in my 01 buick regal and it's been a fantastic engine.
yes either in the alero or getting riviera or something of that sort regardless i still have a 3.8 s/c engine for use :p :yahoo:
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