Advice for my subs?

[AtomicX]

Hey this is my first time getting subs and I was wondering if the dual 12'' Sony Xplod's were any good?
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-Dual-12-Subwoofers-in-Ported-Enclosure-XSL120B5D/sem/rpsm/oid/176543/catOid/-13093/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Along with this amp

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-Xplod-2-Channel-125-Watt-Car-Amplifier-XM-1252GTR/sem/rpsm/oid/154756/catOid/-13095/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

[lonnie]

That sub sucks I have the same one at home now just the red version and its the exact same sub. That amp isn't going to push two twelves, and even if you bought two (one for each sub) it still isn't going to do much. Just my opinion! With that sub you also have to be very careful with the spring because it is put on there with very cheap binding product, and they paint the cone first then apply the glue for that so not that good. If your not looking for alot then these are for you shit I paid 109.00 for one of those damn subs and have regretted ever since.

[pawzbear]

sony speakers.. ugh. You want a good VALUE on decent speakers? go Infinity or alpine. no audiobahn either, please.

a great site with great prices and good, fast service:
http://www.etronics.com/c-2339-12.aspx

choose the brand from the drop down menu

[Fi-Alero]

Atomic, what is your budget? I could help you with picking out the best bang for your buck.

[pawzbear]

just look on the prices of what he picked out and judge his budget from that.

[lonnie]

With what he has listed he's going to get subs and no box at that price for decent subs, but with a custom box you can get not so great subs that could out perform name brand. The pioneers on the site above I have seen in action and they are pretty damn good. Kicker 05CVR122 CompVR 12" 2-Ohm Subwoofer (http://www.etronics.com/p-15081-kicker-05cvr122-compvr-12-2-ohm-subwoofer.aspx) these are cool too. All depends on what you want.

[AtomicX]

Well do you think they will sound better then the Dual's?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8359616&type=product&id=1177112903683

[pimpalero2003]

i hate kicker

look on ebay for some audiobahuns visonics or audio pipe i actually had these for a while in a vented box and they banged i was ver very pleasntly susprized

[Fi-Alero]

Audiobum is crap, along with visonic. If he wants a cheap sub that performs well, get 2 12" eD EHQS. Would be like $50+ shipping for both 12s. Has a 250rms power handling and actually sounds great for a budget setup. Find a decent amp that does 500rms at the voice coil resistance you choose. A box would cost about $30 to build yourself, if you need box plans, i can sketch one up if you give me your max dimensions on where the subs are going.

[FrankTheTank]

Audiobum is crap, along with visonic. If he wants a cheap sub that performs well, get 2 12" eD EHQS. Would be like $50+ shipping for both 12s. Has a 250rms power handling and actually sounds great for a budget setup. Find a decent amp that does 500rms at the voice coil resistance you choose. A box would cost about $30 to build yourself, if you need box plans, i can sketch one up if you give me your max dimensions on where the subs are going.
got a link to those subs for sale?

[Fi-Alero]

got a link to those subs for sale?

Here ya are:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?products_id=183

Also if you aren't interested in those, mach5audio also has some great budget subs, they have made a name for themselves recently.

*also it says 200rms handling, but the people i know that use them put 500 on 2 of them, and they take it well.

[Fi-Alero]

As for a budget amp...
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=16363

That hifonics will do the trick for the subs if you order the single 2 voice coils.

[Ryan from Ohio]

I caution you with eD. They make $180 paperweights, I can only imagine how bad a $25 sub can be from them... :lol:

So you would have $200 in that eD/Hifonics setup.

Appears you have a few more bucks. Heres a deal that will out stomp all crap and sound good!

http://www.caraudiocentral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8687

$150 for the DX500.1 amp

$95 per SQX sub, get two. So for dang near the same money as your first link you will end up with a system that will be twice or more loud and sound better doing it. Thats right I said twice as loud. Buy the elevation stuff, I will give you a free box design/print package. Im only offering as I want to get the word out about Elevation... Its not my sale, I dont make commission :p

[Fi-Alero]

I caution you with eD. They make $180 paperweights, I can only imagine how bad a $25 sub can be from them... :lol:

So you would have $200 in that eD/Hifonics setup.

Appears you have a few more bucks. Heres a deal that will out stomp all crap and sound good!

http://www.caraudiocentral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8687

$150 for the DX500.1 amp

$95 per SQX sub, get two. So for dang near the same money as your first link you will end up with a system that will be twice or more loud and sound better doing it. Thats right I said twice as loud. Buy the elevation stuff, I will give you a free box design/print package. Im only offering as I want to get the word out about Elevation... Its not my sale, I dont make commission :p

Very Nice suggestion Ryan. But please dont judge something you've never used. Those $25 subs are a very nice, especially for the price. Also how can you compare loudness when you dont know what box or vehicle he will be running. The box makes the difference. Those $25 ed subs are more the sql leaning to spl. The elevation stuff does look very nice though. It really just depends on his budget.

[AtomicX]

I have to buy them in a store not online so im deciding between the Dual's and the Sony's which do you suggest?

[Fi-Alero]

May I ask why? If you are going to get dual or sony, you would be wasting your money. Do you have any audio stores local to you?

[YALEROYNOT]

I caution you with eD. They make $180 paperweights, I can only imagine how bad a $25 sub can be from them... :lol:

So you would have $200 in that eD/Hifonics setup.

Appears you have a few more bucks. Heres a deal that will out stomp all crap and sound good!

http://www.caraudiocentral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8687

$150 for the DX500.1 amp

$95 per SQX sub, get two. So for dang near the same money as your first link you will end up with a system that will be twice or more loud and sound better doing it. Thats right I said twice as loud. Buy the elevation stuff, I will give you a free box design/print package. Im only offering as I want to get the word out about Elevation... Its not my sale, I dont make commission :p


great deal !!! go with what ryan states he knows his s*#t !!! check out his site he does nice work

[AtomicX]

No all I got is Bestbuy and Circuit City with a budget of around 260ish.

So should I go sony or Dual

[pimpalero2003]

go to circuit city and get the mtx buy one get one thee a loud ass sub for the price

[AtomicX]

I would if it included an AMP, but with the amp and box it comes out too like 360 once I buy the wires too.

[tonkpils]

dude just save your money and get something worth getting. you will be much happier in the long run

[YALEROYNOT]

http://www.caraudiocentral.net/ryan/basstronics/Photos/12premier.jpgNo all I got is Bestbuy and Circuit City with a budget of around 260ish.

So should I go sony or Dual

get a 10" and an amp and call ryan get him to build you a box. he built one for an 8" that hit like 12's. see what he can do for you. the one in the pic is a 10"

[FrankTheTank]

i'd go for the kenwood setup at circuit for $299. its better than either of the sony or duals.
Edit: thats only if u refuse to shop online to get a good deal.

[AtomicX]

Link me to the kenwoods

[FrankTheTank]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmprd76200050000&skuId=999976300050000&type=product
only good thru tomorrow (wednesday)

[tonkpils]

hey man,,go to www.caraudio.com (http://www.caraudio.com) and get in the classifieds,,get some good equipment pretty cheap. dont settle for crap or it will sound like crap

[Ryan from Ohio]

Very Nice suggestion Ryan. But please dont judge something you've never used. Those $25 subs are a very nice, especially for the price. Also how can you compare loudness when you dont know what box or vehicle he will be running. The box makes the difference. Those $25 ed subs are more the sql leaning to spl. The elevation stuff does look very nice though. It really just depends on his budget.


I will judge eD as I have used them. I have dealt with the owner. I have dealt with the cronies.

eD sucks, period. That will never change. They are always upto the same old shlt.

And I can say twice as loud. I can promise you without a doubt in my mind:

1) That a box I design with the SQXs will be 6 dB louder and sound better than any box you could ever possibly build with them eD drivers!

2) That a box I design with the SQXs will be 6 dB louder and sound better that any DUal or Sony preloaded enclosure

3) I dont care about the vehicle, I just work the magic! lol

www.basstronics.net
www.caraudiocentral.net

:drunk:

[Ryan from Ohio]

http://www.caraudiocentral.net/ryan/basstronics/Photos/12premier.jpg

get a 10" and an amp and call ryan get him to build you a box. he built one for an 8" that hit like 12's. see what he can do for you. the one in the pic is a 10"

Thats actually a 12" sub.

The owner told me he shattered the rear glass as it was already loose and may have had a crack. But the sub ultimately did that!

[lonnie]

Black friday is coming up so save your money until then and go crazy.

[AtomicX]

Black friday is coming up so save your money until then and go crazy.

Yeah The reason why I'm asking about the sony's is because on black friday it is $179 for the 2 12'' subs, amp, and the box.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Honestly what do you think your going to get for $180?

I would just close my eyes and pick Sony or Dual. There is no better in said case, both being low end stuff.

[clutch1]

I'd put a bullet between my eyes before I bought Sony OR Dual.
Good Lord man, picking between those two is like picking between a punch to the nuts or a kick instead.

Best Buy has Type-Rs I know.. if you ABSOLUTELY MUST get a sub from Best Buy get a 12" Type R. They'll rip you off $100 probably (You can get them online for like $95 or so), but hey, if you don't want to shop online it's the price you'll have to pay.
I'd Say the Type-R is Best Buy's only good sub.
Unless your Best Buy carries MTX equipment, if they do get a couple Thunder 4500's or something, MTX makes decent subs aswell.. well for Best Buy's standards.

All I can say is don't get Dual or Sony.. people will laugh at you.

[FrankTheTank]

All I can say is don't get Dual or Sony.. people will laugh at you.
lol
i agree though. if thats all u can afford, wait until u can afford something better.

[Ryan from Ohio]

lol
i agree though. if thats all u can afford, wait until u can afford something better.

Triple true 'dat!

[Fi-Alero]

I will judge eD as I have used them. I have dealt with the owner. I have dealt with the cronies.

eD sucks, period. That will never change. They are always upto the same old shlt.

And I can say twice as loud. I can promise you without a doubt in my mind:

1) That a box I design with the SQXs will be 6 dB louder and sound better than any box you could ever possibly build with them eD drivers!

2) That a box I design with the SQXs will be 6 dB louder and sound better that any DUal or Sony preloaded enclosure

3) I dont care about the vehicle, I just work the magic! lol

www.basstronics.net
www.caraudiocentral.net

:drunk:

6 more db? Yeah, ok, so you can do 159's legal in a daily 33hz 11cuftnet box with 4 SQXs and about 2100 rms?

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/341582.jpg
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/341578.jpg

[Ryan from Ohio]

6dB louder than anything you could ever build with them $25 eD drivers.

eD sucks. They have nothing spectacular. Whens the last time you seen anyone with them in the lanes? Or heard of anyone with them in the lanes? (Apart fromt he eD groupie board?)

Actually who cares about the lanes and legality of numbers? Its all about SQ anymore. Not many people want stupid bass that sounds like mud or someone farting.

[Fi-Alero]

6dB louder than anything you could ever build with them $25 eD drivers.

eD sucks. They have nothing spectacular. Whens the last time you seen anyone with them in the lanes? Or heard of anyone with them in the lanes? (Apart fromt he eD groupie board?)

Actually who cares about the lanes and legality of numbers? Its all about SQ anymore. Not many people want stupid bass that sounds like mud or someone farting.

Ok, find a $25 sub and get 6db louder with it than that eD driver. Sq is always great, but actually a lot of people care about lanes and legality of numbers. It can get competitive. I never said eD had the greatest drivers. But for a budget sub at that price, you cannot beat it.

[alti117]

xplod subs are known for blowing very often, if ur looking for bang for your buck check out the rockford p1 series, 100$ for a 10" sub and they have them on sale at futureshop all the time with a box for 100$ i had one for a while and i got way more out of it than expected for the price.

[Fi-Alero]

Good suggestion Alti. Those little subs are a good bang for the buck. But for like $10 more you could get an Apline Type R 12". That is a great deal for those subs.

[Ryan from Ohio]

How about 12" Durabrand subs for $15?

It will outwang and sound better than them eDs anyday...

Single 12" Durabrand in my box = 140+ dB

It was noticeably louder than the Sound Storm we tested, which did a 140 flat.

But its not a pissing contest :lol: Just the facts.

I agree though for $100ish a sub its hard to beat the Type R if you looking for SPL over SQ. If you want both, look at that SQX. You wont be disappointed!


http://elevationaudio.com/endproduct.php?id=4

[VCguy85]

i love my rockford subs and amp iv'e had them for over 5 years and they still perform great!

[Fi-Alero]

How about 12" Durabrand subs for $15?

It will outwang and sound better than them eDs anyday...

Single 12" Durabrand in my box = 140+ dB

It was noticeably louder than the Sound Storm we tested, which did a 140 flat.

But its not a pissing contest :lol: Just the facts.

I agree though for $100ish a sub its hard to beat the Type R if you looking for SPL over SQ. If you want both, look at that SQX. You wont be disappointed!


http://elevationaudio.com/endproduct.php?id=4

That's a nice number Ryan. What vehicle was it in? Box specs? Metering technique? Really curious:p

Anywho, Yeah, type r is more of a SQL sub, and they sound really good in the right install.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Was in a Jimmy with a mm4000.1 pumping into it

Term Lab

Bill Wolf of Wolf Pack Audio, Team Wolf Pack, Team Maxxsonics and Team Excessive Amperage (I may have forgot some of his other teams, lol) put my box/sub into his truck and did the metering. So as to the legality of the number, Im going to say its valid.

That was a 140.0 flat to... With a Sound Storm Slade, 12"... Of all subs- lol

And that Durabrand was louder, noticeably... With 175 WRMS running into it.

The box was a special design, something I cooked up. It lives again. The new monster residing in it however is a 12" Elevation Audio Pro. Im going to guess mid-upper 140's ;)

http://www.caraudiocentral.net/ryan/basstronics/Photos/dual-iso3.jpg
http://www.caraudiocentral.net/ryan/basstronics/Photos/dual-iso4.jpg
http://www.caraudiocentral.net/ryan/basstronics/Photos/single12ho.JPG
And the $15 sub that absolutely killed my ears... And Ive heard a TON of systems since 1994...

[Fi-Alero]

Looks nice man! I like the loading chamber you integrated with it. Allot of people talk about how good "JL H/O" boxes are, when really its just a ported box with a loading chamber.

[Ryan from Ohio]

That was the exact premise to this box.

You can get super technical and look at it as a bandpass if you like, but the second chamber is out of range. Its about the loading at this point and coupling of the air.

It was a gamble, gave it a try and seemed to work decent. I mean come on, a Sound Storm Slade doing a 140? In a blazer?

I cant remember exactly how many WRMS we sent it, but we unloaded it below F3 and blew the piss out of it.

[clutch1]

Nice design man, what tone did you send it?

[Ryan from Ohio]

Tuned to 40 Hz

So it was peaking around 47Hz I believe.

Yup almost 6dB peak @ 47Hz!