what is vtech and how do i get it?

[14secALERO]

my friend told me i should get vtech installed into my car, he said that it will give me more power but i will lose torke. what is vtech and how do i get it? do any of you guys have vtech?

thanks for the help

[flalero]

Tell, your friend he doesn't know what he's talking about. First off VTEC is only available on Hondas and Acuras. Sure there are many different types of variable timing out there, but Honda was really the first to do it. Second off, you can't get variable timing unless you have an OHC car. If have the four cylinder Alero you've got OHC, if you have the 3.4 you're out of luck. VTEC can't just be installed on a car.
Sure if you have a Honda or Acura, you can change the motor to a VTEC motor, if it already doesn't have one, but don't expect VTEC on your car. VTEC is for "ricers," we have pushrods, ask your friend if he even knows what a pushrod is!

[yiddishbdg]

dear god i hope you're joking. This is like when we told my friend to remove the drag limiter(the body) of his blazer for april fools.

[flalero]

one can only hope there aren't people this naive in this world.

[bigd6983]

wait a minute, is this for real?? we have some misguided youngsters gettin on the site, just need to be informed, and obviousley there friends too lol

[jackal2000]

here's another question for sweet to put in his signature block :lol:

[misslindseysue]

At least he admits to now knowing what it is. He came here for help, geez.

flalero is right, you're SOL in an Alero.

[Naich]

I blame this guy's friend. He probably has a honda and doesn't really know what vtec is, because he sounds like he thinks it is something you can add on to your car. The vtec is the motor with variable valve timing. Toyota has their own version called VVTi, and lots of other car makers are developing their own versions.

[99ALERO]

If you have the ECOTECH or 3400 stay with them. YOu dont want honda crap on or in your car. Thats why you bought a mostly domestic car. if you want a VTECH go buy a honda

[b-spot]

Drop in the 2.4 ecotec with VVT!!

[misslindseysue]

Originally posted by b-spot@Apr 27 2004, 10:03 AM
Drop in the 2.4 ecotec with VVT!!
Why 2.4 when there's a 3.5? ;)

[Oldsman]

i got a vtech..........................under my ass end after i ran his slow ass over

LMAO.

Tell your friend he dumbass and he should keep his mouth shut. He'll look more intelligent that way.

[14secALERO]

ok guys you dont need to bash on me i was just asking about it because i did not know

anyways i have a 2003 alero with the zetec engine i was wondering what parts i can add to make it go faster?? ive already added intake and custom exaust and 94 onctane gas so i think it is in the 14's

[overdrive75]

VTEC is not variable valve timing. It is a second set of larger intake runners that are closed under a certain engine RPM to build torque. Once the target RPM is reached the access for air to flow through the second (larger volume) intake is granted. More air flow at speed equals more HP.

Variable valve timing requires cam phasing, and the last time I checked, the VTEC engines did not have phasers on the cam shafts.

[Silentalero]

Originally posted by 14secALERO@Apr 27 2004, 10:55 AM
ok guys you dont need to bash on me i was just asking about it because i did not know

anyways i have a 2003 alero with the zetec engine i was wondering what parts i can add to make it go faster?? ive already added intake and custom exaust and 94 onctane gas so i think it is in the 14's
The engine you have is called the ecotec and its a 2.2L The odd's of you running in the 14's in none, your probably sitting in the mid to late 16 second range if not 17 seconds. And intake and exhaust is not going to give you much, its just gonna help your engine breath a little better.

For parts, I know some the of the 2.2 guys here can help. Check out RK Sport and RSM racing (banners are on the site to click through)

[Naich]

Originally posted by 14secALERO@Apr 27 2004, 11:55 AM
ok guys you dont need to bash on me i was just asking about it because i did not know

anyways i have a 2003 alero with the zetec engine i was wondering what parts i can add to make it go faster?? ive already added intake and custom exaust and 94 onctane gas so i think it is in the 14's
Okay.... what exactly is a zetec engine? I think you are referring to the Ecotec engine, which is 2.2L and has tons of upgrade possibilities.

Adding an intake, exhaust, and 94 octane gas will probably not get you into the 15's, let alone the 14's. Do yourself a favor, and don't run 94 octane gas all the time, it'll screw up your engine timing. Our engines are calibrated to run on regular unleaded fuel. Don't worry about running premium gas unless you have a turbo or supercharger.

As for upgrade parts, check out rsmracing.com for some parts. Also, check out the saturn forums and j-body forums, as they also share this engine.

[nex]

why add 94 octane gas? it will do abosultley nothing but emtpy your wallet faster on your car.

[overdrive75]

Originally posted by Naich@Apr 27 2004, 12:12 PM
Do yourself a favor, and don't run 94 octane gas all the time, it'll screw up your engine timing. Our engines are calibrated to run on regular unleaded fuel.

He can run premium if he want's to that's his choice. As far as it hurting the engine, that's not gonna happen, our engines, 3.4, 2.2 and 2.4 are called to run on 83 octane up to the highest available at the pump. It's his choice to spend more money. The thing about the 14 seconds, I just had to clean my boots off after walking though that poop, darn I got some on my pants too.

[jamcllw]

I'm pretty sure the zetec is a ford motor. I think they put them in the SVT focus's and the foreign market ford's.

[14secALERO]

my engine is the zetec i think i would know i do drive the car


and my car is in the 14's i beat cavaliers and sunfires all the time and i even beat a sunfire gt once so that is proof right there, also my car is automatic and that is better then standard for drag racing because automatic shifts faster then any person ever could. also my friends say that i must have got lucky and got a factory freak moter

i have tried using all the different levels of onctane gas and my car feels soooooo much faster with the 94 in it so i dont think you guys should be jelous

[jamcllw]

wow probably the only GM car in the world to ever come from the factory with a Ford motor

[Naich]

oi.... I think this one is beyond help.

Aleros only come with 3 different engines.... the 2.2L Ecotec (2002-2004), the 2.4L DOHC (99-02) and the 3400 6 (99-04). If you had a different engine, you would have had to pay a lot of money for an engine swap.

And as far as running 14's.... you aren't. Sunfires and Cavvy's run high 16's, not 14's. We're not jealous, trust us. We have MANY people on this site who have done WAY MORE mods to their car and are still in the 14's.... (read Nitrous, superchargers, and turbos). That is the ONLY way you will get into 14's easily...

[justinusaf]

I have the 3.4 with cai 8mm wires, denso iridium plugs and custom muffler and im only running 15.75 maybe 15.5.. There is no way the 2.2 is running 14's

[bdyman]

:tool: lol is it just me or is this guy full of bull poo poo
zetec???? that is a ford block,you have to have the ecotec....look on the vlave cover says it right there
14`s??? i don`t think so my 2.2 has simple bolt on`s and iam sure it`s got to be in the low`s 16 if not 17`s and i really don`t care how fast i go
dude ya need to be schooled,ur friends are full of it all 94 octane is goin to do is make the engine run hotter,and it might clean out the injectors and empty ur walet out
it`s obvious guys that he has to go buy a clue before you come on this site make sure ya knwo what you talk about before ya make a ass out of of ur self

[bdyman]

oh ya vetec...lmao!!!!! has to be some teenager that thinks he`s 2 fast 2 furious
^^^^^^ honda HONDA HONDA
oh god please help him

[jamcllw]

and my car is in the 14's i beat cavaliers and sunfires all the time and i even beat a sunfire gt once so that is proof right there

that must mean my geo's in the 14s too because I beat Cavalier SS and Sunfire GTP's all the time :lol:

[jackal2000]

hey dude, the only way to prove to this forum that you have what you have and run what you run is post pictures of your engine and pictures of your timeslips. until then no one and i mean no one will believe you.

[14secALERO]

ok i feel stupid now i just checked my engine and it is ecotech your right


but i dont see why you guys think my car doesnt run 14's

[bigd6983]

lets all bow our heads and pray for this kid because he needs serious help.......yea thats a ford block hes talking about, no hes not running 14's i dont care if hes runnin 104 octane hes still not runnin 14's, and vtech is when that second port of air is opened, adjusts timing, more fuel is added, more horsepower(its done after a certain rpm like 3 or 4,000).......the vvt you guys are talking about is due to a dual overhead cam, allowing you to adjust low and/or top end........

[14secALERO]

ok well i asked my friend who has a 500hp mustang about vtech and he told me that it will make me lose so much torke that it will make me go slower so i dont want it anyways

[jackal2000]

Originally posted by 14secALERO@Apr 27 2004, 08:29 PM
ok well i asked my friend who has a 500hp mustang about vtech and he told me that it will make me lose so much torke that it will make me go slower so i dont want it anyways
good. case closed, lets move on.

[14secALERO]

ok well i dont want vtech but i do want to go faster. i heard guys were running 7.70s with ecotech motors. i dont want to go that fast i want to go maybe 9's

i have a budget of $3000 so what should i get?????

[Oldsman]

Ok guys, no more Bashing or warnings will be handed out...... :D

This kid just needs educated.

Well I am sure it feels like the car runs 14's to him. If you think it is that fast i would recommend taking it to the drag strip and running it. just to see what actually it does. Hell race some stang GT's and some z-28's.

Cav's and sunfires, with the eco are running mid to high 15's stock. with N2O they can get into the 14's.

[bigd6983]

dude are you for real, no ones runnin 7.7's, not even 1/8 mile.........and you prolly wont be able to run 9's in the 1/8.......for 3000 go buy a turbo and you will be runnin mid to low 15's........in the 1/4 mile that is......

[jamcllw]

ok well i dont want vtech but i do want to go faster. i heard guys were running 7.70s with ecotech motors. i dont want to go that fast i want to go maybe 9's

i have a budget of $3000 so what should i get?????

More cash. Probably around $20000 more actually.

[blueyezalero]

Just give the 3000$ to me instead

[jackal2000]

a bunch of lottery tickets :lol:

[b-spot]

Dude, sunfire GT's aren't much faster than a stock ecotec (no h on the end) alero.

'GT' doesn't mean fast. If you want 14's you better get serious with some nitrous/forced induction.

[bigd6983]

If you really want a 9 second car you started on the wrong platform, not only do aleros have limited upgrading parts, the 3.4 is one of the worst. so if you really want to sell, go to ford, trade in for an 04 mustang cobra, and work your way up from there.

[jamcllw]

If you really want a 9 second car you started on the wrong platform, not only do aleros have limited upgrading parts, the 3.4 is one of the worst. so if you really want to sell, go to ford, trade in for an 04 mustang cobra, and work your way up from there.

He's got the 2.2 Ecotec motor not the 3.4

[bigd6983]

o thats right, hes getting me confused now, can we just break it down for him. you can get our car runnin 14's prolly with some major nitrous a turbo setup and some other minor work, but thats prolly as far as your going to get oldsmobile is not in the spotlight for its fast cars, so if you want a 14 second car id say go for it, but if your looking for 9's......you need to start thinkin about another car to work with

[nex]

i got a question tho. Your freind with the 500hp mustang is his only mod an intake and exhaust too?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Molson]

Wanna run a 9? Not a problem.

Strap a JATO rocket to your trunk.

Stage.

At green, mash the gas, pull the pin, and hang the **** on.

[Grouch]

/\ LMAO /\ :lol:

[a2k]

that was great Molson :lol: :thumbsup:

[ptrudel]

:lol: :lol: lol

[flalero]

Like Naich said, let's stop bashing and start educating. I run 9.7 in the 1/8 mile, which translates to low 15's, and if I'm lucky, high 14's in the quarter mile. I have a CAI, full exhaust with removed cat and silencer, Mass air flow translator, and Auto Trans interceptor, all of this on a much stronger motor that the Ecotec, the 3.4. I have easily smoked every cavy, sunfire, grandam, alero, and non-gtp grand prixs that I have raced. I'm not saying I can beat every car out there, because there are quite a few cars on this site that would smoke me. So, if you think you're running in the 14's with a near stock ecotec alero, more power to you. However, get us some time slips from your local track as some proof. Let me tell you a story. I had a friend in Cali that drove a late 80's Celica GT-S. He put a bunch of money into that car, cams, head work, etc. The car felt like it was strong, until we went to the track. He ran a 23 sec run! He had no traction issues, the car was just slow. Hell, my stock, non-turbo RX-7 ran a 16.3 that same night. If you want to shoot for the 9's with the ecotec, it is possible. There is (I believe) a tube frame cavy or sunfire running in the import drags that is in the nines. That is lot of money to spend though. Making it into the nines with an auto alero would be hard. The auto makes the car quicker in the 1/4 because it gives consistent shifts, not because it shifts quicker. Trust me I've seen some guys shift a five speed so fast you couldn't even tell it shifted.

[bigd6983]

amen flalero, everything well said. but the 9 second dream I think will remain a dream, hes only got 3 G'z to spend, other then that everything was well put and I think we can end this topic.

[vodkaslut85]

wow, this is getting out of hand, if he has a zetec motor runnin' 14's in his alero, then I did a "custom swap" and put a boeing 747 motor under my camaro's hood, and I was runnin' in the low 2's!!! lol...why do people listen to their friends, make your own decisions kid...and if u dont' trust us, go to any GM certified mechanic and they will explain it, but if u don't want us to flame you , then don't ask for it.

[flalero]

man, don't you guys get it. maybe the kids new to cars a doesn't know a lot. He join this site and we bash him. Come on, quit bashing and lets do some "edumacation".

[ptrudel]

with alot of money anything is possible...but yeah, runnin 9's is pretty much always gonna be a dream...

[yiddishbdg]

Please some one close and delete this thread or else i'm gonna go crazy and get kicked off this site.

[ptrudel]

yiddishbdg, i agree with u, cuz this is gonna get out of hand and maybe discourage newbies to post anymore...

[14secALERO]

ok listen guys stop bashing me please all i want to do is my research so i dont waste my money trying to go faster like many of you did

i beat a civic with twin cams and vtech last friday and those run 14's so i must be in the 14's too. there is a cavalier that runs 8's and a sunfire that runs 9's and they both have ecotechs also there is a saturn with a girl driving that runs 7.70's i am pretty sure that has a ecotech as well. and remember thats 7.70's with a girl driving if a guy was driving it would easily be in the 6's

i have made up my mind that i am going to get nos for my car, from what i understand that is simple and cheap and i will be pretty close to my goal of 9's and ill stay within my budgit.

[jamcllw]

You poor naive little boy. The only reason you get bashed on is when you post stupid stuff like that.

A stock 2000 civic si will run around 15.7 1/4 mile times. And any ecotec that can run 8 and 9 second 1/4's probably isn't street legal and they would have to have $20000 easily invested in motor alone.

Good luck if you really think you can get into the 9's with $3000 please share with the rest of us because you definatly know something that the rest of us don't.

[Grouch]

okay locked. It was a bit of fun while it lasted.

Bottom line is that it's going to take quite a bit of work to get your car into the 14's. I wouldn't even consider the 9's unless you are gonna go all out drag. See these two articles for info on GM's Performance Cars using the Ecotec:
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0206tur_general/index.html
http://www.year2032.com/ecotec.htm You will never get into the 9's with your budget.

I don't think a stock VTEC Civic will run 14's, but I may be wrong. It also depends on the driver. If he normally runs 14's, he may have missed a shift or something while racing you. I don't know.

As far as the Cavy's, Sunfire's and Saturn, there is no way in hell they are running those times in the 1/4, maybe in the 1/8-mile. What does it matter if a girl or guy is driving it? Why would the guy be faster??? :blink:

With the NOS I wouldn't go anymore than a 50 or 75-shot. Anymore without reinforcing the bottom end and you may get into trouble. Even it won't get you into the 9's, high 14's maybe.

Now if all of your times and discussion is in regards to a 1/8-mile drag and not a 1/4-mile drag, then some of these times would be more plausible.

But for now I'm going to lock this thread before it gets out of hand. If you have any other specific info or questions feel free to start a new thread. :thumbsup: