Supercharging my ion?

[99-alero]

well i've been looking into supercharging my 03 ion QC3, its a 2.2L ecotec (automatic) will the transmission rob any power ? heard yes and no on ionforums.net might as well get some views from the alero guys n gals

[nickbain]

I would say yes but I'm no expert.

[99-alero]

hmmm well if it does im not gonna care if its 5-10hp as long as its not a total waste of cash ya kno, been looking for automatic cavs and sunfires with the eco that are supercharged and what numbers they got but no numbers :(

[Vtolds]

Yes, but you wont notice because the SC makes up for it. SC is parasitic so it takes power but then it probably makes all of the loss plus probably another 60HP since it runs on belts and not exhaust like a turbo.

[99-alero]

thats what i've heard a few times (something along that lines) so far the supercharger idea is looking pretty good..keep in mind im not trying 2 make a rocket out of it just want more power, going from my 3.4 Ho to a 2.2 QC makes me feel like im driving a rock lol

[nickbain]

what kinda hp # would one expect from a s/c ecotec with little to no supporting mods?

[Vtolds]

depends on the system I guess, but I was just give a ball park 60hp guess just for reference.

[99-alero]

yea i was looking at the GM performance and they say 148hp to 200hp give or take so a 50-60hp boost , and 200hp in my little ion is more then enuf for me right now

[jabartram]

If i'm correct you can estimate a 24% loss of horsepower through the drive train with an automatic.

[nickbain]

If i'm correct you can estimate a 24% loss of horsepower through the drive train with an automatic.

what would it be about with a stick, I'm assuming a bit less?

[yoslvr442]

10-15% give or take a couple

[jabartram]

10-15% give or take a couple

yes......

[MADMike]

I heard that its not so much the transmission that robs the power but the torque converter, and generaly 10 - 20%

[[ion] C2]

any way to lower the amount lost with an auto? always something i've pondered

engine mounts obviously

[nickbain]

I would assume engine and tranny mounts and a good synthitic trans oil...or a 5-speed swap :p

[jabartram]

C2;328105']any way to lower the amount lost with an auto? always something i've pondered

engine mounts obviously

take the tranny out.

[Spilner521]

C2;328105']any way to lower the amount lost with an auto? always something i've pondered

engine mounts obviously
Invent a more efficient torque converter/clutch system to allow the drive gear to be engaged at idle when the vehicle is stopped.

[99-alero]

well i talked 2 my bud at GM when i was gettin my oil changed the other day, he said to expect a little bit of a loss but hes gettin me a emplyee discount on the supercharger and installation so im defenitaly going for it:D thanks for the advice guys

[mrbelizeN562]

i also have the 2.2 and i have been lookin for sites on where i can get a supercharger. any1 have any good websites?

[Spilner521]

well i talked 2 my bud at GM when i was gettin my oil changed the other day, he said to expect a little bit of a loss but hes gettin me a emplyee discount on the supercharger and installation so im defenitaly going for it:D thanks for the advice guys
If you're adding more power, there won't be a loss of anything. Maybe it won't be quite as much whp as a 5 speed car after it's all said and done, but it'll still be much better than stock. You're paying too much attention to drivetrain efficiency. That supercharger will do just fine with the auto.

[b-spot]

Sell your car and buy a used redline or cobalt SS/SC. It will be more reliable and more powerful. They come with forged internals, a transmission that can handle the power, nicer exterior, recaro seats, and I wouldn't be shocked if it ends up costing around the same amount.

[Spilner521]

Sell your car and buy a used redline or cobalt SS/SC. It will be more reliable and more powerful. They come with forged internals, a transmission that can handle the power, nicer exterior, recaro seats, and I wouldn't be shocked if it ends up costing around the same amount.
I doubt you'll find a used Redline or SS for the 3 grand it costs for an intercooled GM supercharger kit for the Eco.

[b-spot]

I doubt you'll find a used Redline or SS for the 3 grand it costs for an intercooled GM supercharger kit for the Eco.

I doubt his Ion will be up and running for $3000. It's going to cost significantly more than that unless you're really handy with the wrenches.

[Cliff8928]

I doubt you'll find a used Redline or SS for the 3 grand it costs for an intercooled GM supercharger kit for the Eco.

Probably could find the Saab turbo engine for that price though.

[Farsan]

i thought you couldnt supercharge an engine that had an automatic transmission. Thats what i been told. It has something to do with the way the supercharger is mounted and the auto transmission is in the way. If i am wrong thank god cause i want to supercharge my 03 alero.

[[ion] C2]

Um, no, you can supercharge it.

www.j-body.org

So many Ecotec automatic Cavs run the supercharger.

[99-alero]

Sell your car and buy a used redline or cobalt SS/SC. It will be more reliable and more powerful. They come with forged internals, a transmission that can handle the power, nicer exterior, recaro seats, and I wouldn't be shocked if it ends up costing around the same amount.

wanted the redline , but cheapest i found was 17,000 + change and i got my QC3 for 10,000 + change, plus the insurance was a large difference

[99-alero]

well my supercharger plan was all go then piece of ice fell off a transport and took out my rad, so im down $750:(