Wheel Bearings from E bay accars2006

[Ryan from Ohio]

Bought some wheel bearings from this seller.

Both bearings installed and work without issue. My grinding noise is gone and my dash lights are off.

Good seller, pretty fast shipping (in stock items) and a great deal. I got both for $119 shipped.

[CharleyO99Alero]

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Nice, Ryan ... glad you got a good deal and all is better now.


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[Ryan from Ohio]

I will also note that after replacing my wheel bearings Ive noticed a difference in the RPM to speed ratio.

Before I was first line over 2K to hit 60. Now Im at 1750 RPM.

I hope I regain some gas mileage!

[surreal_awakening]

I ordered wheel bearings from accars also, as part of my extensive overhaul. Haven't installed them yet, but they arrived very quick. Definitely a good deal. Glad to hear all is well with them.

[Ryan from Ohio]

One bearing had some cosmetics. Probably a rework at the factory. Nothing major, but it caught my eye.

[Aer0]

i bought some made by ar-tech automotive... no problems what so ever with them!

partsdepot1 is the seller id. let him know that Aaron reffered you and he might even cut u a better price!

[surreal_awakening]

Yep, bought some schtuff from partsdepot1 also. I've been workin the ebay circuit for my rebuild :lol:

[Aer0]

partsdepot1 is awesome to deal with

[Ryan from Ohio]

Still no issues. Think my CV joints/axles are out now though. Strange rubber noise? Had this before with the bearing grind... still there...

[Ryan from Ohio]

Update on gas mileage.

Before the wheel bearing I was only getting 265 miles to 12.4 gallons = 21.4 MPG

Now that summer blend gas is back, and with new bearings. 300 miles 11.56 gallons = 26 MPG

3400 V6

[surreal_awakening]

Damn...before I parked my ho I was getting 27mpg avg. with leaky head gaskets, bad axles, bad wheel bearings, 245 tires and god only knows what else. I'm thinking I might actually see 33mpg hwy again once I give her a thorough overhaul.

[Ryan from Ohio]

I have the 3400 V6 though.

[surreal_awakening]

So do I.

[Ryan from Ohio]

How are you getting 33 MPG? Its only rated for 20 MPG highway and that number from my understanding is far fetched...?

So your getting like 410 miles per tank? Cause when my light comes on, I usually put in 12.4 gallons or VERY close to it.

[Cliff8928]

The 3400 is rated at like 18/27

[Ryan from Ohio]

http://nadaguides.com//NewCar/NewCarPrices/OLDSMOBILE/2000/Alero/-1_43416_2000_used_957_1134_11551_30290118030219509 3.aspz?LI=1-21-1-5014-603-737-50325

Fuel Data

EPA Fuel Economy Est - City (MPG) 20

EPA Fuel Economy Est - Hwy (MPG) 32

Fuel Tank Capacity, Approx (gal) 14.3


Ive always found this disturbing. 14.3 gallons? My light comes on its a 12.4 gallon fill up.

I drive a mixed city/highway... so 27 is cool.

[toddbobby]

your light comes on before you are empty so you dont get stuck on the side of the road. I have gone about another 50-60 km after my light came on. I was in the country and no gas station was around. i probably cut it pretty close though.

[Cliff8928]

http://nadaguides.com//NewCar/NewCarPrices/OLDSMOBILE/2000/Alero/-1_43416_2000_used_957_1134_11551_30290118030219509 3.aspz?LI=1-21-1-5014-603-737-50325



Ive always found this disturbing. 14.3 gallons? My light comes on its a 12.4 gallon fill up.

I drive a mixed city/highway... so 27 is cool.

Those are the old ratings, I was sourcing the new revised ratings from http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

[Ryan from Ohio]

Well today we got problems.

My ABS, Tac OFF and service engine light all came on. So I know what that means.

Now to see how they handle that 90 day warranty, if they will. This is my only car. Cant let it sit while bearing are in transit...

[surreal_awakening]

Hmm...that sucks! Keep us posted. I haven't gotten to putting mine on yet.

[Ryan from Ohio]

E Mail sent earlier today with no response yet.

Its probably the bearing that had the discoloration due to heating it up. Im willing to bet on that actually...

We shall see. Also i thought it was a 90 day warranty but looking at the auction it just says "extended manufacturer warranty" with no time?

[dbailey]

Well today we got problems.

My ABS, Tac OFF and service engine light all came on. So I know what that means.

Now to see how they handle that 90 day warranty, if they will. This is my only car. Cant let it sit while bearing are in transit...


Ryan, ever determine if it was accars bearing that went bad? I put 2 of theirs on mine a few months ago and now have the lights on again. Hope it is one of the rear ones that have 130,000 miles on them and not one of theirs. Guess I have to take it to the shop and have them read the computer to determine which one it is. :cry:

[Ryan from Ohio]

We need a clear cut definitive guide to the whole wheel bearing fiasco and it needs to be posted/stickied at the top of the FAQ, this is insane- really.

Now talking with the previous poster he mentioned to me they have updated axle nuts?

Also something about new wiring harness or soemthing for $200?

Ive gotten in my replacement from accars2006. I had to pay $48 for it to get to me, and when they receive my old bearing they are to credit me. We shall see.

[lonnie]

I wish someone would narrow this crap down too. I need some help on this cause my lights are going crazy now after two yrs with nothing, and I have seen a few different answers. We need to know all the symptons, things to look for, things to listen for, the lights that go off, cost for parts, cost to fix, and a detailed how to...etc. Basically the whole sha bang.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Agreed.

The information is here, but scattered and lost between posts.

The initial post needs to be the definitive one, with all those below it for bickering...lol. If something new comes up, edit the first post to keep it clean.

[meadus101]

So are the bearings a good idea or not?

[14alero]

Yeah i m going to be replacing both mine next week or the next i found some also on there for a good price also

[dbailey]

Yeap it would be nice if someone could summarize it if that is possible. :yahoo: I do know that the axle nuts have been revised and the mounting bolts have been too based on a TSB I think it is. Thought I got that from somewhere on here but don't recall where. The dealers sell 'em. I am taking mine to the dealer in the morning to have them run a diagnostics on it and that will tell what it is that is lighting up the instrument panel with those annoying idiot lights. :cry: The service guy told me that GM has come out with some sort of jumper harness that addresses one of the causes that the idiot lights come on and that it is not always the hub going bad that causes them to come on. The hub going bad typically puts off a grinding or growling sound indicating the bearing going bad. The lights going off in my opinion and I think they agree is more of an electrical issue with sensors or wires breaking down and either shorting out or something along those lines. If it is sensors, I think they are an integral part of the hub so ya gotta replace the hub to replace the sensor(s). :cry: Will post the results of my endeavour with the dealer tomorrow. ;)

[JerzeyBoy]

i have a gx 2.2 cylinder and firestone replace (and ripped me off) for changing the the driver side bearing. i have seen maybe a 2mpg increase... but should i get the passenger side done as well?!? or should i just leave it...

are the bearings so problematic that they... with out doubt... will need to be replaced?

[dbailey]

I changed both of my fronts when one of them was bad since accars sold them in pairs. Lights went off and growling stopped and I'm hoping that my lights on now is not because of one of the fronts. I got at least 120,000 miles out of my fronts and am going on 130,000+ on the rears but the diagnostics test at the dealer tomorrow will tell if that's all I got out of them. :cry:

[lonnie]

dbailey - keep us posted on that cause that info could be very useful!

[dbailey]

Just got back from the dealer and that special jumper harness I mentioned before is what mine needs. :cry: There is a copper wire that runs thru the harness to the sensors and it was broken. The reason the lights come on intermittently is due to when the suspension is flexing it causes the broken wire to short or connect/disconnect. That is what throws the lights on and off. $356 to replace both of the front wiring harnesses that go to each hub. Has to be soldered so I just decided to bite it off and not attempt something like that myself. They said that when the lights are on, no ABS. When they are off, ABS. He said both sides looked pretty bad so I told him to go for it. Man! :cry: Oh well, you just can't put gas in 'em and drive 'em. Beats the heck out of a monthly car payment!

[surreal_awakening]

Interesting. Good to know. I'll have to give my harnesses a good once-over when I get to that point in my overhaul. I'm curious where the "normal" failure point is in the harness.

[dbailey]

Not sure where the break point is but it must be somewhere around where the harness goes to the hub because the mechanic said it is impacted by the flexing of the suspension. ;) Hope this info helps those of us that have replaced hubs thinking that was THE reason the lights come on. I think most need to determine if the lights are coming on and going off intermittently that before you replace the hub assuming that is what it is that you verify that the harness hasn't got a break in one of the wires. The mechanic told me mine was a copper wire. :rolleyes2:

[meadus101]

I've had a grinding since i had my car. I had a Mechanic rip apart my whole front end and all he found was a Tie rod end. I think the mechanic was an idiot.

[dbailey]

Well hell guys! :banghead: The freaking lights came back on. Gonna take it back to the dealer Monday and thank them for replacing the harnesses free of charge or replacing whatever else it is that has caused the flipping lights to come back on. I don't care that the harnesses looked bad and needed to be replaced anyway. :coolio: There may have been nothing wrong with them YET. I'm hoping they maybe didn't reset the computer but I drove it like 50+ miles and they didn't come on and then I pull out of a parking slot at a mall and walla! They're on and stayed on all the way back home. More updates to come :cry:

[lonnie]

....and the saga continues.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Ya Im thinking you got taken.

[dbailey]

They're gonna replace both front hubs. The accar hubs are both bad just like 90 days after I installed them. They said they'd refund me my money though. ;) The codes the computer stored are the codes that say the hubs are bad. Dealer said they'd discount me a couple of hundred since the harnesses didn't fix the problem. Gonna cost me $628 smackers for 2 front hubs installed. That better fix it! :(

[surreal_awakening]

God I hope my accars hubs aren't bad when I install them :(

[tvault]

If you are looking to save a bit of money you could hit up rockauto.com and buy some hubs there and have them installed. I bought a set of timken from their and installed them myself. Was very easy to install and the hubs are only 175$ for the pair. Even if you pay someone to do it, should only be looking at 2hrs worth of labor. Be ahead a couple hundred bucks.

The first time mine went all it was was a broken wire but it was cheaper for me to buy new hubs and install them then what they wanted to fix it.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Im curious to see if accars is going to come through with the refunds/warranties/etc.

I gotta get mine in on Thursday... I fricking hope... and get the second if need be.

[dbailey]

Bought accars hubs off of eBay and 90 days later they are both bad. :cry: They are standing behind them though and said they would refund my money. Taking mine to the dealer tomorrow for 2 new front hubs. They first tried to replace the wiring harnesses that go to the hubs as that has been a known problem but after they did that, the lights came back on and threw codes that the front hubs are bad. They game me a couple of hundred bucks off for having not fixed it with the harnesses. Gotta spend another $628 for the 2 fronts. :cry:

[dbailey]

Dealer called and said only one of the hubs is bad. Guess that is some amount of relief. Also said they would hold discounted price for a couple of months in case the other one goes bad. :yahoo:

[lonnie]

Why didn't you get more hubs from accars? Seems that they are doing a bad job of referbing these hubs, and costing people more money. Some times if it is to good to be true then it is to good to be true.

[Ryan from Ohio]

On the flip side ive read on here where peoples Timken hubs were bad also...

SKF makes hbs for our cars also.

The AC Cars hubs utilize Chinese bearings...

[lonnie]

What do the OEM hubs run?

[Cliff8928]

$154.79 from RockAuto. ACDelco # FW153 for the front.

[lonnie]

Seems to me better to buy brand new, especially if you plan to do the work yourself.

[surreal_awakening]

You know, looking back at the auction listing for the ones I bought from accars, the bearings are listed as "2 BRAND NEW in box FRONT WHEEL HUB BEARINGS" shown as "BCA part # (2) 513137". Don't know if this differs from the listings others have purchased.

[dbailey]

The ones from accars I bought were the 2 brand new in the box ones. One of them failed in 90 days. :cry: The other one is doing OK so far. Got the one from the dealer installed today and so far so good. No idiot lights. Dealer list for the hub is like $350ish. They cut me a break and sold it to me for $200. Not sure if it is AC Delco or who manufactures it for them.

[Ryan from Ohio]

My first 2 bearing didnt come in a box, just the USPS box.

The new one did.

Autopart International # 513137 Then there 1411-45582 Hub Assembly AI513137

"Made in China"

:lol: So that fully explains it.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Oh ya...

As for updated spindle nuts, SOL.

No parts stores around me carry them- Autozone, Advance Auto parts, Murray's...

Rock Auto has them for $2.50 each, but its $18 to ship them... WTF Rock, FU!

I was going to order rotors, pads for my Buick and the nuts from them... $60 shipping. If I take out the nuts, its $29 shipping... So combined shipping is $31 JUST for the nuts.

I Emailed Rock... Im fairly upset with that. its pretty under handed and I surely hope its a data input error.

[14alero]

What about these you thin kthey would be the same http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-98-01-Malibu-Alero-Grand-Am-Front-Hub-Bearing-Pair_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713Q2em153Q2el126 2QQcategoryZ33728QQihZ004QQitemZ140228729463

[dbailey]

Get the nuts from the dealer. ;)

[surreal_awakening]

Jeezus that's insane! I've ordered other stuff from them before and for a single, small, light-weight item the minimum shipping was around $7. But I just quoted those nuts myself and it gave me $15.94. Part of the deal with Rock is that items ship from a variety of locations, so you never know what's coming from where. And if you order a bunch of stuff, it doesn't necessarily cut down on the shipping because you may end up paying 2 minimum shipping charges. Can't you just order it from Advance and do an in-store pickup?

Oh ya...

Rock Auto has them for $2.50 each, but its $18 to ship them... WTF Rock, FU!

[Ryan from Ohio]

Nope its not available from any place... Except Rock ive found.

Rock said the shipping was that high due to the item being out of stock and is drop shipped from the OEM.

I asked why the drop ship price is $18 for the nuts alsone, but with my other items the nut portion was $31... no response...

[surreal_awakening]

That pretty much sucks. I did a lot of shopping around and I ended spent a fortune with them for my overhaul. It's all been fairly priced so far, both parts and shipping. I guess that's the benefit to shopping around, getting the best deals. But who would've thought these nuts would be so hard to find.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Ok I ended up getting her done this weekend as I finally had free time!

It ended up being the drivers side, all is well now.

just note if you get a bearing from them and theres not a dark blue heat mark on the one side, somethings not right with it.

:lol:

now to get the return and my $48 back. This will be the tough part, Im sure.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Well no response from the seller yet. Its been over a week since I last emailed them.

So I emailed them once again. If they dont want to refund the $48 as agreed upon I will simply do a charge back with my credit card, then they will ive me back my $48.

Also tried sending a link to this thread.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Thank you for contacting us. According to our records, you were refundedthe amount of $48.49 on 5/15/08.

Best regards.
Sonia Castro Accars2006
LLC 7760 W. 20TH Ave Suite # 21 Hialeah, FL. 33016 USA Ph# 1-800-995-7604
www.stores.ebay.com/ACCARS2006


Thats an out right lie. My Pay pal reflects no refund and i have never received a refund in any way shape or form. I also have the defective part still...

My response to here E Mail:

Hello,

I still have the defective bearing, so I doubt any refund has been issued as the defective product hasnt been returned as of yet. If this is not the case Im unsure why i had to pay $48 for an advanced replacement.

My Pay Pal Records show no refund. I have received no refund via mail and have not recieved or cashed any refunds by any other means.

Im going to give this one more chance then I will call the credit card company. I only want whats fair, nothing more nothing less.

I want to return your defective part and be refunded the due price of $48 I paid for the advanced replacement. I do not wish to be ripped off and at this point Im feeling like thats whats happening.

All I can say is if I get an unstatisfactory reply to this one she can deal with the credit card company...

[Ryan from Ohio]

Ok, that went quickly.

Im going to give them the benefit of the doubt here and believe they mixed me up with someone else.

After my last email they requested my Pay Pal info and refunded the $48 I paid for the replacement. The money already came back and is being refunded to my credit card direct.

So all is well.

:)

Dear google_me_basstronics,

Your paypal has been credited.
You DO NOT have to send the defective back.

Thanks for your business.

-accars2006



ok i guess... Just all seems odd... Why did I have to pay for a replacement then to start with?

[lonnie]

So are the hubs that you ended up with working fine and all?

[Ryan from Ohio]

Now they are :)

One thing I will note is I loosened up the wheel nuts.

My torque wrench only goes upto 150 Ft Lbs. It wouldnt click... So it must not work right...

At any rate, I loosened them up with my 1/2 breaker bar. True torque is unknown, but probably around 100 Ft Lbs or so.

I think a major problem is they are over preloading the bearings.

[zzyzzx]

Bought accars hubs off of eBay and 90 days later they are both bad. :cry:

Were they made in China?

[zzyzzx]

Nope its not available from any place... Except Rock ive found.

Rock said the shipping was that high due to the item being out of stock and is drop shipped from the OEM.

I asked why the drop ship price is $18 for the nuts alsone, but with my other items the nut portion was $31... no response...

Did you try NAPA? Seriously, the NAPA near me seems to have just about everything, or can quicly get it from a nearby (couple of miles away) distrubution center.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Were they made in China?

The accars are from China for sure. Says it right on the baring..

[zzyzzx]

The accars are from China for sure. Says it right on the baring..


That would certainly explain the early failure rate.

[reddog37]

When I replaced my Front Right Hub I got the hub from CarQuest. I forget the brand offhand and it was about $10 dollars more expensive than the same part at the other part stores, but Carquest Hubs had a LIFETIME WARRANTY on it!!!!

Well worth the extra cost in my opinion. I would highly recommend saving yourself the worry and frustration in the future and get a Hub with a good warranty. As a poster before said 'sometimes you get what you paid for.'

[BeeMain]

it's just the ABS sensor.

Mine has been on/off for the last year. need to finally replace the sensor unit, it's getting a little old.

[Ryan from Ohio]

That would certainly explain the early failure rate.

Ya they are cheap bearings for sure. I deal with Tapered Rollers all the time.

I still intend to tear this accars one down, measure up the bearing find the equivalent and get proper torque specs.

I think they have us torquing them down WAY to much.

[zzyzzx]

Did you know that they were made in China before you bought them?
Personally I would not put Chinese parts in my car if I had a choice, espically some no-name brand.

[lonnie]

Did you know that they were made in China before you bought them?
Personally I would not put Chinese parts in my car if I had a choice, espically some no-name brand.
Now a days I wouldn't be surprised if the whole car came from china except the frame and body panels.

[zzyzzx]

Now a days I wouldn't be surprised if the whole car came from china except the frame and body panels.

So far, except for stereo componenets and hardware, I've been able to keep made in China stuff completely out of my cars with respect to replacement parts.

[lonnie]

So far, except for stereo componenets and hardware, I've been able to keep made in China stuff completely out of my cars with respect to replacement parts.
I here that I'm all for american made. Just as long as the quality is there.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Appears the single replacement bearing I got in is failing again.

Im not to happy.

Im going to tighten up the axle nut. if it continues Im going to replace it with a Timken branded ne.

[lonnie]

OMG that sucks. I wonder what the problem is with those bearings

[surreal_awakening]

That sucks. Now I'm dreading putting mine on. Hoping I don't have these same problems.

[meadus101]

Time to kick some ass.


I had mine replaced with "National" bearings, They were a bit more expensive that the OEM ones. but they work really good.

http://www.federal-mogul.com/en/AftermarketSolutions/EMEA/SteeringSolutions/Products/NationalWheelEndParts/HubAssemblies/ (http://www.federal-mogul.com/en/AftermarketSolutions/EMEA/SteeringSolutions/Products/NationalWheelEndParts/HubAssemblies/)

[spinalator]

Appears the single replacement bearing I got in is failing again.

Im not to happy.

Im going to tighten up the axle nut. if it continues Im going to replace it with a Timken branded ne.

$hitty. Is this the one you replaced twice?

[Ryan from Ohio]

Yes it is. its the replacement replacement.

lol

actually both seem to be making some noise.

I thin Im going to replace the, with good ones and have the shop do it for me or Im going to just trade the car in and be done with it.

[lonnie]

Yes it is. its the replacement replacement.

lol

actually both seem to be making some noise.

I thin Im going to replace the, with good ones and have the shop do it for me or Im going to just trade the car in and be done with it.
Wonder how much a shop is going to charge for that job?

[Ryan from Ohio]

probably $75 or so per bearing

[lonnie]

^ oh that's not that bad if you got to get it done, but I wouldn't pay more then 50 a bearing.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Well its $60/hr labor across the street from me.

Im guessing here, but I bet they can get it done quicker than 2 1/4 hours... The mechanic over there is really good and fast.

[lonnie]

Well its $60/hr labor across the street from me.

Im guessing here, but I bet they can get it done quicker than 2 1/4 hours... The mechanic over there is really good and fast.
Well thats good I really cant see it taking more then and 1hr for both with a mechanic that has all the right tools 1hr and half the most. Good luck with that one.

[Ryan from Ohio]

:lol:

Ok someone can kick me in the nuts.

After my good luck with the fuel treatment I was like "Man I should fill my tires to capacity and get better fuel mileage".

So one front tire was 19 Lbs, the other 21 Lbs...

I inflated them to 32-33 Lbs.

No more bearing noise. No more brake drag noise.

WTF.

:lol:

[cherrington17]

noice work. :lol:

[spinalator]

To sum up, should we expect about 66% success rate when buying from EBay vendors with these items, or should we just by from NAPA or other big box autoparts store that have quasi-OEM stuff?

[Ryan from Ohio]

Well I think you take a chance.

Bottom line is the cheap bearings are not as good as the Timken or SKF branded ones, period. They are not made as accurate, the material isnt as good and the fits may not be as good either.

They might not last as long.

If your in a pinch financially I would order the cheap ones. If you got some extra cash get the better stuff.