BlackJack runs 14.5@96mph on 5 cylinders :(

[BlackJack]

back to the drawing board. Went to the strip last night. Rolled up for the first run, performed a nice burnout for the pre-stage and blew the #6 plug without knowing it until after I finished the run, and I ripped out a 14.5@96 1/4 mile on 5 cylinders, nothing stripped out of the car, and including the spare/jack. (See non-impressive video of pre-stage and shaking camera during the run against an SS Camaro)

The car was limping when I pulled off the end of the track to get my slip. I didn't have any spare plugs on hand or I could have tweaked it out and continued.
Luckily I wasn't running full boost until I got the feel of it or I could have done a lot more damage.

Guess there's next time. I think the culprit was being tuned at 4700ft elevation and racing at 1,000ft lower causing it to be a bit lean. I added a little more fueling when I got to the track, guess it wasn't enough. She still runs like a champ though, I scoped the cyl and no apparent damage.

Transmission didn't even flinch, though I know I wasn't able to put full power to it. But the tires grabbed like mad.

Next TNT isn't till Fri May 2.
Video - screwing around in the staging lanes showing I'm legal for the challenge, then the (shaky camera) run. (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/qaddamage/videos/?action=view&current=AleroDrag-11apr08-edited.flv)

[jackal2000]

freaking sucks man.

[Oldsnut]

You'll get it done BJ. Glad nothing drastically bad happened. Persistence will overcome.

[Cliff8928]

freaking sucks man.

What sucks? That he blew out a plug, or that even on 5 cylinders it's still faster than your car :jk:

All in all, not a failure for the first time out.

[adam337]

id trade you aleros

[alero_ecotec]

Didn't realize you were out of Tucson. I'm moving to the southern border of AZ in a few months, maybe even Tucson. I'll have to see you run sometime.

Anyway, looks real good man. Can't wait for a problem free run.

[blueolds01]

still rootin for ya!

[meadus101]

What sucks? That he blew out a plug, or that even on 5 cylinders it's still faster than your car :jk:

All in all, not a failure for the first time out.


It's both for me.

[BlackJack]

Thanks guys. Part that sucks is having to wait till May 2 to run again. I'm going on vacation in June before I leave to the sand-box, so there's very little time to make it happen.

Didn't realize you were out of Tucson. I'm moving to the southern border of AZ in a few months, maybe even Tucson. I'll have to see you run sometime.
That sucks too, you're getting here about the time I'm leaving. Where you going? I'm nearly on the border myself (Sierra Vista).

[Kanyon]

Do you have a link for that 13second malibu? What kind of setup does he have?

[BlackJack]

Do you have a link for that 13second malibu? What kind of setup does he have?

Don't have a link for it, but I was there for it. Basically it's a "stage 2" heads/intakes/TB, and about a stage 1 cam, plus NOS.

For the record, his run was 13.9, but that's 13's.

[paulyb]

Dang that sucks, bt hey at least is wasnt anything to bad, sure did look good teaing own the track thow!!!!!


man whos gtp is that, those vids are insane

[BlackJack]

the black GTP in those vids are a joint program between Stattama (www.stattama.com (http://www.stattama.com)) and ZZPerformance (www.zzperformance.com (http://www.zzperformance.com)).

It's a twin turbo 3800.

[TurboAleroGT40]

damn dude to bad better luck next time man , hey I ran for the first time 18 sec lol with a 120 mph 1/4. my 60ft was 7 sec lol. I had trouble with the second gear. Currently I don't have the slip to show, because right now i'm not at home.

[Redog]

Sorry to hear about the #6 plug, but I know you'll get that fixed up and run again soon.

You can run on 5 cyl and I'll run on 6 :p

[[ion] C2]

still about 13.8 sec corrected time

[cherrington17]

wow... bj, i'll race you for pinks if you run on 3 cylinders! :lol:

lol, and good job pulling a jackal at the track. (all modded out and run like crap)

ah well, it leaves room for improvement. what fun is it, if you knock the ball outta the park on the first try?

[[ion] C2]

and Frostbite ran 14.9 with only an intake/exhaust/DHP PCM lol

[paulyb]

Ion what do you run?

[blueolds01]

ion runs 14.8...with a little 4 banger.

[[ion] C2]

on 3-4 PSI, now on 7, once rebuilt will be spraying methanol and running on drag radials, plus full exhaust and whatnot

[Spilner521]

BlackJack, it's good to at least see a video of a run this time. This was more of a teaser video than the last 3 second clip you posted :p Get the little things worked out crank the boost :thumb:

C2;349238']on 3-4 PSI, now on 7, once rebuilt will be spraying methanol and running on drag radials, plus full exhaust and whatnot
More boost, methanol intercooling, more grip, free flowing exhaust....you should be in the 13's easy with that setup.

[BlackJack]

ion runs 14.8...with a little 4 banger.

yup, now throw the cycle out of balance by taking one cylinder out of the mix and lets watch that 14.8 again :D

[BlackJack]

BlackJack, it's good to at least see a video of a run this time. This was more of a teaser video than the last 3 second clip you posted :p Get the little things worked out crank the boost :thumb:


More boost, methanol intercooling, more grip, free flowing exhaust....you should be in the 13's easy with that setup.

More boost is on the way. I'm tuned at 15psi at my current altitude, and about to start tuning for 18psi as soon as I drop in the new fuel pump and turn up the fuel pressure a bit. Grip wasn't a problem. Once the fueling is worked out, if I still only hit 13's, I'm packing it in for the season and getting ready for deployment.

[[ion] C2]

he was talkin about me with the 13s, which are what i intend to hit with what he was sayin lol

you should be lke 11s, low 12s if it's a bad day

[01silveralero]

yup, now throw the cycle out of balance by taking one cylinder out of the mix and lets watch that 14.8 again :D

i think its an excuse u were running on 5 cylinders :p :p :p heck i ran 15.4 without 3rd gear -_- so to me i think ur making up excuses :)











:jk:

[[ion] C2]

anyways.

can't wait to see your next run with everything working and whatnot :)

[Redog]

i think its an excuse u were running on 5 cylinders :p :p :p heck i ran 15.4 without 3rd gear -_- so to me i think ur making up excuses :)



He's faster than you :rolleyes2:

[Spilner521]

More boost is on the way. I'm tuned at 15psi at my current altitude, and about to start tuning for 18psi as soon as I drop in the new fuel pump and turn up the fuel pressure a bit. Grip wasn't a problem. Once the fueling is worked out, if I still only hit 13's, I'm packing it in for the season and getting ready for deployment.
Yeah I was talking about C2 hitting 13's. I'll bet you'll run easily in the low 12's, if not faster.

[DOHC_tuner]

man sucks for that to happen....but was great to see your car. Cant wait for the updated video good luck

[Trickyslick]

Sorry I could not make it since it is just around the corner. It was good to talk to you though. So May 2nd if its is set in stone then I will be there.

[BlackJack]

heh....it's not set in stone yet. I gotta do a top-end tear down and check everything thouroughly. Scoping the inside of the cylinder will only show so much. If there's anything else wrong, then May 2 is off.

[alero_ecotec]

Thanks guys. Part that sucks is having to wait till May 2 to run again. I'm going on vacation in June before I leave to the sand-box, so there's very little time to make it happen.


That sucks too, you're getting here about the time I'm leaving. Where you going? I'm nearly on the border myself (Sierra Vista).


Lol, I'm probably living in Sierra Vista or Tucson. I just got hired as a BPA, I have to go to Artesia pretty soon, but then I'll be moving out there.

[jackal2000]

ahahahaha @ sierra vista.

[BlackJack]

Interesting......NHRA altitude correction factors calls 14.5@96mph at 3,000ft elevation as equivalent to 14.01@100.5mph at sea level.

jeez, if I'm almost into the 13's @ sea level on 5 cylinders.....just wait.

[cherrington17]

will the navy let you do runs on aircraft carriers while depoyed? :lol:
(i know your not in the navy)

[BlackJack]

I don't think the Navy likes having Army guys on their ships to begin with, but I'm sure if I tried to make 1/4 mile runs, the car is going to get wet.

[Trickyslick]

Well as always Mike do your thing and if all is good give me as much notice about May 2nd and I will be there...Heck I will even volunteer to drive it for ya...

[cherrington17]

I don't think the Navy likes having Army guys on their ships to begin with, but I'm sure if I tried to make 1/4 mile runs, the car is going to get wet.

well.. you'd clearly have a little math to do... obviously the ship isn't 1/4 mile long!

[BlackJack]

well.. you'd clearly have a little math to do... obviously the ship isn't 1/4 mile long!
Does this mean I'm going to have to equip the car with a tailhook instead of wheelie bars?

[bigdaddyD]

tail hook and wings!! :)

[paulyb]

Does this mean I'm going to have to equip the car with a tailhook instead of wheelie bars?

Lol, that would be interesting to see, as i dont think it would even move the catch line an inch...lol, probaly just hook and dead stop immediatly.

[Trickyslick]

Not a tail hook just wings>>>

[paulyb]

while were at it, mind as well connect it to the cat and launch him off.....lol

[BlackJack]

I think that may be looked upon as an unfair advantage for the purposes.

[paulyb]

yea!!!!! plus im sure being flung into the water after your car ripped in half wouldnt be fun.........

[BlackJack]

oh, it would be fun if it pulled down a 3 second 1/4 mile time (documented) :D

[CharleyO99Alero]

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I'd say BlackJack had a very good run concidering the loss of one cylinder. Good job of it and better luck next time!


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[Spilner521]

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I'd say BlackJack had a very good run concidering the loss of one cylinder. Good job of it and better luck next time!


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It was ok. It'll be classified under "Very Good" when he breaks into the 11's.

[BlackJack]

It was ok. It'll be classified under "Very Good" when he breaks into the 11's.

oh, I get it. It will be a "very good" run when I break into the 11's on 5 cylinders?

I'd say it was a very good run with the rotational mass being short one cylinder and off balance.

I'm disappointed about the situation, but not at all disappointed with the time vs. conditions.

[Vinalero]

I think spilner is kinda playing with you.

Actually, we would expect your set up to run mid 13 with 5 cylinder, at least ... pfff :lol:

You crazy joking Spilner... :p

Seriously, its a bummer dude, but I guess that at your current modding point, those unpredictable things happens on a daily basis.

I hope the best to you so you can fix that and FINALLY furfill our expectations :lol:

[BlackJack]

actually...you may all be in for some disappointment, but the details are still up in the air.

i MIGHT (not decided yet) demod the Alero and buy the project '66 Chevelle SS 396 I've always been wanting. Since I'm leaving for the sandbox shortly, I have to balance what I want to do versus what I have time to do.

[[ion] C2]

lame, why demod it, sell it to someone who would want to continue the project. then get the car everyone knows is cool/fast and make it cool/fast

[paulyb]

at least youll be able to sell the whole turbo set up, that would be sick...what do you thnk it would go for?

[Spilner521]

oh, I get it. It will be a "very good" run when I break into the 11's on 5 cylinders?

I'd say it was a very good run with the rotational mass being short one cylinder and off balance.

I'm disappointed about the situation, but not at all disappointed with the time vs. conditions.
Just some good old e-sarcasm :thumb: I agree, 14.5 is pretty good when you're missing one of your cylinders, it's faster than almost everyone else on here :p I should've said "It'll be very good when he breaks into the 11's running on all 6 cylinders".

[kwhauck]

damn, that sucks, kinda funny thought cuz that is exactly what happened when my motor blew 2 years ago, except also the #6 piston turned into about 5 pieces. I was trying to thread the spark plug back in with my wife pouring ice onto my hand just so I could get the car to limp home.......and with the project car, do whatever you want, that's all i am doing with the alero, my dreamcar.........

[zoL]

14.5 is still better than 99.9% of the people here. Good luck on your next run.

[paulyb]

damn, that sucks, kinda funny thought cuz that is exactly what happened when my motor blew 2 years ago, except also the #6 piston turned into about 5 pieces. I was trying to thread the spark plug back in with my wife pouring ice onto my hand just so I could get the car to limp home.......and with the project car, do whatever you want, that's all i am doing with the alero, my dreamcar.........

why was your wife pouring ice on your hand?

[[ion] C2]

the engine was probably pretty damn hot lol

[BlackJack]

hahaha.....I didn't see any of the posts after my last because my email notifier apparently wasn't working.

Yeah, the only reason I'd de-mod it is because I want to keep the car for a daily driver. I still love the car, but when I think about how much more I planned to pour into it over the next couple of years, it makes me realize how I could afford my Chevelle for about the same money.

[Bad99Olds]

my mouth is watering over what you could accomplish with a chevelle....

[strtrydr]

hey mike ... ill swap you cars and a bit a cash for yours ... then you still have a daily driver and "mine" would then finally have the turbo :P

[BlackJack]

damn, that sucks, kinda funny thought cuz that is exactly what happened when my motor blew 2 years ago, except also the #6 piston turned into about 5 pieces. I was trying to thread the spark plug back in with my wife pouring ice onto my hand just so I could get the car to limp home.......and with the project car, do whatever you want, that's all i am doing with the alero, my dreamcar.........

yeah, shit like that happens when the #6 cylinder is last in the coolant flow path and last on the fuel rail.

[cherrington17]

too bad you can't redesign to have fluid/coolant come in from each side, and drain out the center front/back... :glare:

[Spilner521]

Yeah, the only reason I'd de-mod it is because I want to keep the car for a daily driver. I still love the car, but when I think about how much more I planned to pour into it over the next couple of years, it makes me realize how I could afford my Chevelle for about the same money.
Just keep the Alero and get the Chevelle. That's what I'm doing in probably less than a month, but it's not a Chevelle I'm getting...

[BlackJack]

too bad you can't redesign to have fluid/coolant come in from each side, and drain out the center front/back... :glare:

yeah, then it would be cylinder 2 and 5 that were overheating. You wouldn't get away from it either way, but good idea in concept :)

Just keep the Alero and get the Chevelle. That's what I'm doing in probably less than a month, but it's not a Chevelle I'm getting...

problem is ONE of them is going to be in the 10's....and there's only money for either or, but not both :D

Just testing the waters, but what do you guys think the Alero would go for the way I built it (54k miles) and everything in proper order?

[[ion] C2]

$5, i'll buy it

[BlackJack]

C2;350906']$5, i'll buy it

somehow I knew your integrity wasn't going to factor into this equation...hahahahaha.

Just remember the old addage....."Speed cost money" If you want $5 worth of fast, I can send you a bolt off of this wastegate or blow-off valve.

[paulyb]

hahaha.....I didn't see any of the posts after my last because my email notifier apparently wasn't working.

Yeah, the only reason I'd de-mod it is because I want to keep the car for a daily driver. I still love the car, but when I think about how much more I planned to pour into it over the next couple of years, it makes me realize how I could afford my Chevelle for about the same money.

sell me your turbo set up....and thats a good start on the chevelle :yahoo:

[BlackJack]

sell me your turbo set up....and thats a good start on the chevelle :yahoo:

Entice me with a reasonable offer, and what components you'd be considering inclusive(UIM/LIM, etc.)

[sorrowfulkiller]

yeah, shit like that happens when the #6 cylinder is last in the coolant flow path and last on the fuel rail.

you could always modify the fuel lines and the rail to accept constant equal flow... That's what I'll be doing on my new car an 02 wrx once I get my new compressor wheel and housing on my turbo, mod the injectors for 800cc and switch to e85:yahoo:


Seriously though... I would do that just in case you are running a bit lean on that cylinder, also have you checked what the cars fuel rails are flow rated at?

[paulyb]

Entice me with a reasonable offer, and what components you'd be considering inclusive(UIM/LIM, etc.)

pm sent.

[BlackJack]

you could always modify the fuel lines and the rail to accept constant equal flow... That's what I'll be doing on my new car an 02 wrx once I get my new compressor wheel and housing on my turbo, mod the injectors for 800cc and switch to e85:yahoo:


Seriously though... I would do that just in case you are running a bit lean on that cylinder, also have you checked what the cars fuel rails are flow rated at?

If I continue, the fuel rails will both get feed at once, and I already have a dual inlet/single outlet FPR.

pm sent.

PM received, and replied.

[blueolds01]

atleast run it at the track on all 6 before you demod it, if thats what you deside to do.

[BlackJack]

I'm still up in the air about it. But I still haven't had any (serious) replies on what people think it's worth.

[cherrington17]

1 million, billion, bajillion, kajillion, billion... dollars....

[paulyb]

I'm still up in the air about it. But I still haven't had any (serious) replies on what people think it's worth.

mine was more than serious, i dont know the cost of a kit like this, so i told you to give me a number that suites you.....that way I dont low ball you and look like a dick. :rolleyes2:

[blueolds01]

I'm still up in the air about it. But I still haven't had any (serious) replies on what people think it's worth.

if you think about it its not a bad idea to run it one last time. that money from the first n-body in the 12's would only help you get your chevelle going. i know its not a lot, but its somthing. after all that hard work you put into it, you only get to see it run a broken down 14.5 sec quarter when you know it will run tons faster. plus all us alero guys can brag about and alero being the first n-body in the 12's.

[mattamd_xp]

plus all us alero guys can brag about and alero being the first n-body in the 12's.

That would be the first v6 n-body -Spy already ran that in his 4 cyl n-body :coolio:

[Nate's Alero]

Not bad ion what have you done to the car?

[BlackJack]

mine was more than serious, i dont know the cost of a kit like this, so i told you to give me a number that suites you.....that way I dont low ball you and look like a dick. :rolleyes2:

oh I have no doubt that you're serious......but the point was, that didn't answer my question of how much everyone thinks the complete Alero is worth modified the way it is. After I asked that, nobody came with any opinions. I wasn't asking for offers to buy.

And thanks for not low-balling like a dick :) I know what everything is worth retail. But you and I still haven't been able to have a good discussion about a few things that might be important to you, because I haven't completely decided that I want to sell yet, and this is not just a bolt-in-and-go setup.

As I said though, I'm up in the air about one of three directions.

1) sell the whole car complete
2) de-mod and keep the car
3) keep going till I break the sound barrier.

It's looking more like number 3 so far, unless I get an unprompted offer

[billytheman1188]

number 3, you've been working too long on this to just sell it. Dont pull another bdyman on us. KEEP GOING!!!

[zoL]

Yes/no today?

[BlackJack]

more likely going to be the 16th or 23rd. Work schedule too hectic and no time to work on it.

[CharleyO99Alero]

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Don't stop now, BlackJack ... keep going ! :)


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[[ion] C2]

updates kthxbai

[BlackJack]

Piston and rod assembly on order (in case of it being stretched or compressed, bearing crushed, etc.) and will be here thursday. I anticipate having it up and running again by NLT tuesday if all goes well.

[Midgear]

sell the car.. are you pharckin' insane?

keep the beast and unleash its full potential! O_o

[TheAftermath]

You have the alero of my dreams...

[BlackJack]

You have the alero of my dreams...

Funny....the Alero of your dreams can also be the Alero of other people's nightmares....roflmao

Other people that have to watch them tail lights pull away at an alarming rate, and mine for having to fix it afterwards :D

[YALEROYNOT]

If I was in the situation to buy I would give you $12k shipped to my front door. tuned and running correct. the time and money you have into it I think its worth that at least in my eyes.


Question what intake cover is that ?

shame that the #6 blew but at least it ran 1/4. take your time and get it right. then crank the boost and show us video ;)

[BlackJack]

If I was in the situation to buy I would give you $12k shipped to my front door. tuned and running correct. the time and money you have into it I think its worth that at least in my eyes.


Question what intake cover is that ?

shame that the #6 blew but at least it ran 1/4. take your time and get it right. then crank the boost and show us video ;)Thanks.

That's not actually an intake cover, that's the actual intake manifold from the GM 3500 (think 2004 Malibu Maxx or Chevy Venture) and modified with an 85mm TB neck.

[01silveralero]

where is the proof that it REALLY DID run on 5 cylinders?

[WhiteV6]

85mm TB? You don't think that is a bit excessive?

[cherrington17]

^he hides small children in there, when its not running at full capacity. :lol:

nice to hear your get'n it fixed. hope it holds together better this time through.

[BlackJack]

85mm TB? You don't think that is a bit excessive?
Not particularly....I seem to have no air flow problems :D
Now if I can get the fuel to keep up......

where is the proof that it REALLY DID run on 5 cylinders?
This proof enough for you? Unfortunately I no longer have the smashed spark plug to take a pic of. The piston ring you see in the upper left quadrant is the 2nd ring. The top ring (pieces) are what caused all the pits, along with that same 1/4th of the piston crown.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/qaddamage/myturbo/blown%20piston/IMAG0002.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/qaddamage/myturbo/blown%20piston/IMAG0003.jpg

[blueolds01]

isnt it amazing what a few peices of metal will do under compression... we just got done pulling the motor out of a malibu at school and putting it back together. the same thing had happened, we found some metal pieces. luckly we didnt have to replace the piston though.

[jackal2000]

ha when i had my motor rebuilt a couple years ago they didnt find a piston ring in cylinder #1.

[Spilner521]

85mm TB? You don't think that is a bit excessive?
This is no naturally aspirated engine we're talking about here. When you're shooting for all out power with a turbo engine, especially for drag racing, the bigger the TB the better. I'll have a 75mm TB on little 2.2L 4 cylinder.

[WhiteV6]

Is the outlet of the turbo 85mm?

I didn't know you were running stock heads on that motor.

[TurboAleroGT40]

Damnn BlackJack damn.

[BlackJack]

Is the outlet of the turbo 85mm?

I didn't know you were running stock heads on that motor.

no, the heads are a good deal away from being stock:
full race port and polish (hate to call it this, but Stage 3 at least)
SI valves
Manley LS6 valve springs
titanium retainers/locks

turbo is a T70, .83 AR will flow enough to support 800hp.

[kwhauck]

800hp that all, how weak........

[BlackJack]

800hp that all, how weak........

Heh, when I get to the point where I need more, I'll upgrade :D

[kwhauck]

haha, same here, i have already thought about if the 1600ax whipple isn't big enough......haha maybe a 2300ax would be nice, or take the 1600 to a lightning shop and have the hell ported out of it...

[WhiteV6]

Who calls that stage 3? The combustion chambers are 100% stock.

[BlackJack]

no, the heads are a good deal away from being stock:
full race port and polish (hate to call it this, but Stage 3 at least)
SI valves
Manley LS6 valve springs
titanium retainers/locks

turbo is a T70, .83 AR will flow enough to support 800hp.

Who calls that stage 3? The combustion chambers are 100% stock.I call it a stage 3 just like I said. Not to be insulting but lets try reading that again. I said the port and polish was stage three, meaning the intake runners up to the valves. I said nothing about shaping or even cc'ing the combustion chambers which is a totally different process. I don't want to lose what baseline compression I have so I opted to leave the combustion chambers alone so I didn't have to mill the deck to get my compression back up, and didn't want to get into custom pistons yet. I'm trying to see little by little how much power I can develop without going into a fully forged bottom end. I'll work more into everything if I'm still interested in it by the time I get back from Iraq next year.

When you're dealing with a turbo that's intended to use all it's legs on the top end instead of blow your wad at mid range, you need all the power you can get at low end without sacrificing the top end.

[WhiteV6]

Totally different process? I port for a living and I have done an incredible amount of research on those heads you are using. I am telling you right now, the compression loss you anticipate is worthless compared to the flow and combustion efficiency you get from completing the porting process. Your turbo can make up for flow but not efficiency in the cylinder.

[BlackJack]

Totally different process? I port for a living and I have done an incredible amount of research on those heads you are using. I am telling you right now, the compression loss you anticipate is worthless compared to the flow and combustion efficiency you get from completing the porting process. Your turbo can make up for flow but not efficiency in the cylinder.

you may do it for a living, but I have no idea where you got your terminology. I've been dealing with performance engines of all sorts for over 20 years, and though only the last couple of years were dealing with the 3400, everywhere else, the term for port and polish was for intake plenums and runners (intake and head). Separately, when dealing with combustion chambers and cylinder flow efficiency it is called shaping, and further, CC'ing to ensure you have the same cylinder volume. The terminology is really irrelevant. The heads have good work done to them for what I want and what I intended to spend, and have good hardware on them. Trust me, I'm painfully aware of where improvements can be made. Hell, I'm even running stock head bolts instead of ARP studs that I'd rather have, but I have a set budget that I choose to work with and chose the best combination of components and work to get where I want to be right now.

Now, I know you're supposed to be one of the 3400 gurus, but if you're trying to attract my business, I can only say that your approach is less than enticing. However, if you're looking to impress the noobs, have at it. I'm where I want to be for the money I want to spend at the moment.

[WhiteV6]

I am trying to help you improve your setup and you accuse me of trying to sell something? I will stop trying to help then. I don't need people getting the wrong idea about my posts.

[BlackJack]

I'll be perfectly honest, I don't mind you trying to help, and I know my setup isn't as good as it could be.

However, when you step out first thing challenging what I say or claim, I can only assume (rightfully) that you are trying to do one of two things. 1) Either bring discredit to my work, or 2) trying to pump up your own image.

A statement like "who said those are stage 3" sounds very much like an attack and an attempt to discredit which I'm not really inclined to entertain.

I've heard good things about your work, and I haven't generally heard anything bad about your character.....yet.

If you have the time, money and skills to make better things than what I'm content with, I'm happy for you. But please don't go bashing us poor folk who aren't as good as you.

Who knows, if you're still in business by the time I get back from the "sand-box" this go 'round, and I'm still interested in this money pit, I'll probably end up buying some of your nice products.

If I had the wrong idea, I'm sorry, but I can only blame your verbage for the way I take it.

Keep doing great things for the 60 degree community, Ben.

[BlackJack]

Me and WhiteV6 made up. I was being an arrogant prick and he was trying to be helpful. Apologies were issued for taking it the wrong way and I now have a hot date with WOT-Tech when I get back from Iraq

-Peace-

[mattamd_xp]

I can't wait to see what the two of you can put together working on the same project :)

[WhiteV6]

Just a small update on the compression loss when you modify the combustion chamber. Stock is 28.6cc. With my street/strip chamber and SI valves (like you have now) gives 28.4cc. SI valves take up more room in the chamber due to the thicker margins. I haven't milled the heads yet to CC them afterwards but you can increase compression slightly and have better flow:)

[BlackJack]

street/strip sounds cool......do you have a different version for more strip than street (but some street)

[WhiteV6]

Sure, I do custom porting. The street, street/strip, and race/boost are just 3 of the most popular type setups.

[BlackJack]

I'll have to hit you up with a price when I get back. Going to be looking for a race/boost setup, but I already have valves/springs/hardware.

[tejohnson]

Mike,

Are you just trying to be like me? I swear ;) Surprised I have not heard from you. You could always just buy my short block ya know ;)

[BlackJack]

Calling you in about 5 minutes.

[YALEROYNOT]

hey blackjack how hard was the 4t65 swap ? is there a write up on it ?

thanks

[tejohnson]

Calling you in about 5 minutes.

Left you a message this evening. Will sell ARP studs to Oil Pan, Timing Cover to Flywheel. Assembled. You pay: $1k + Shipping. If you or someone else grabs it, I'll be parting out everything else.

[BlackJack]

Got the message, thanks!

[BlackJack]

hey blackjack how hard was the 4t65 swap ? is there a write up on it ?

thanks

No write-up, due to no time and/or patience.

don't bother unless you're using the HD (from S/C 3800). use GTP flexplate and TC, steal the lower drivers side trans mount from a 4t65 monte and weld on to cradle, then grab the upper torque braces (dog bones) from a chevy venture 3400 with both engine and upper radiator supports, then get custom axles made with 4t65 inners and 4t45 outers, rewire, reprogram, and I'll leave the shift translation to you. I'll give you a hint....1-2 solenoid uses same on/off commands, but the 2-3 solenoid is exactly opposite.