2.2 vs 2.4 vs 3.4

[irondiezl3]

who wins in a race off line all brand new? and also why? difference between all 3?

[[ion] C2]

who cares

2.2/2.4L manual does

[elpuas3000]

C2;353381']who cares

2.2/2.4L manual does

LOL:yahoo: :haha:

[bizarre179]

3.4 bc it is a higher number.

But really if I was to guess, I would say 2.4 and only bc I have one.

[cherrington17]

stock vs stock vs stock....

i'm pretty sure the v6 does. for obvious reasons

[bizarre179]

But its heavier... Idk. Someone needs to put this to the test. I got a 2.4 and a 2.2. The 2.4 is faster.

[AJules]

stock vs stock vs stock....

i'm pretty sure the v6 does. for obvious reasons

yeah, I know for sure a 2.4 would definitely beat a 2.2

and the v6 has a lot more power than both I4s, so I'm gonna go with the v6 also

[[ion] C2]

3400:
- 170HP
- heavier
- automatic

2.2L
- 140HP
- much lighter
- manual

2.4L
- 150HP
- much lighter
- manual

Having a manual takes off like 0.8 sec from the quarter mile times, at least from results I've seen on j-body.

[Bad99Olds]

on paper its v6 all the way

[[ion] C2]

No... on paper it's manual I4 all the way.. on emotions it's the V6 because ITS BIGGER AND HAS MORE HP LOL IT MUST BE BETTER

and no one takes into consideration the higher weight and the fact that it's an AUTOMATIC. compared to the I4 manual, the I4 will WIN.

[alerojack]

if your talking just off the line, 2.4. but stock for stock i think the numbers i found awhile back were 15.9 (3.4) and 16.0 (2.4) in the quarter. but i think those were like test numbers off a brand new vehicle and its been a while since ive read it.

[natedawg9640]

meh... i think you're giving the 2.4 too big of a wieght advantage... considering i'd peg the v6 at about 5o to 100 lbs heavier... my 2.4 wasn't slow for a grocery getter... but by no means was it fast... and my mom had the v6 and it was faster... and that's my story

[cherrington17]

ok.. i'll resay mine...

stock vs stock vs stock ALL AUTOMATICS...

v6 should win.

[[ion] C2]

So you took them to the track and actually compared the times, or are you simply relying on your "butt dyno" on how "fast" each car was?

If you guys really care about which engine/transmission combination is the quickest stock, go to the track and find out... but a manual will always be quicker than an automatic stock for stock. Since the V6 is automatic, and the I4 can be manual, the manual I4 will have weight advantages in that the engine is lighter, and the transmission is lighter. The V6 has a heavy automatic transmission, and it's bigger. Clearly the I4 manual and V6 auto will be close, but the I4 will win.

It's that easy.

[irondiezl3]

i got the v6 my ex had the v6 grand am gt he sis had 2.4 alero beat both of us and she has 200 pounds on us her and her man were in the car i know that sounds dumb but 200 pounds does count i mean it literally destroyed our v6 i was amazed i thought bottom line was the hp difference but she proved us wrong and all were stock. idk wierd to me what in everyones opinions is the nicest motor in quality and design wise the 2.2?

[[ion] C2]

ya the Eco

[protocol7]

The 2.4L 5-speed coupe (if driven well) should be the fastest stock Alero.

While the 3.4 has +20 hp and +45 tq, the 2.4 5-speed is ~100 lbs lighter plus less power is lost through the transmission. Also, you could launch the 2.4 5-speed more aggressively.

I'm sure the 3.4 has it in the high end, tho.

[01silveralero]

3.4 ftw.......my 3.4 can beat my 2.4 by more than 4 car lengths. here is the weight diffence
2001 2dr gl with 2.4 2997 lbs 150 hp 155ft-lbs
2001 2dr gls with 3.4 3060 lbs 170 hp 200ft-lbs
2004 2dr gl1 with 2.2 2950 lbs 140 hp 150ft-lbs

these numbers are all using edmunds.com

[TheEdgeofSanity]

i vote for 3.4 as well.... it'd be very close with a 2.4 manual but still...I just have to say no based on self-experience

[JerzeyBoy]

even though it lacks power and size the 2.2 ecotec is the most dependable and longest lasting engine.

the v6 has problems galore and is infamous amongst gm mechanics for necessary power train repair post 75 thousand miles

the 2.4 like the 2.2 is small for the weight for the engine... but is worse because its design lacks the efficiency and durability of the 2.2

the 2.2 is fantastic.. other than the lack of power... its modern computer dependent system deletes the distributor cap problems, and only needs high grade oil changes.

[Mischief007]

ok.. i'll resay mine...

stock vs stock vs stock ALL AUTOMATICS...

v6 should win.

Wasn't this proven by 2 slightly modified cars and 1 heavily modified car ;)?

[CharleyO99Alero]

***

Original question:

2.2 vs 2.4 vs 3.4
who wins in a race off line all brand new? and also why? difference between all 3?
even though it lacks power and size the 2.2 ecotec is the most dependable and longest lasting engine.

the v6 has problems galore and is infamous amongst gm mechanics for necessary power train repair post 75 thousand miles

the 2.4 like the 2.2 is small for the weight for the engine... but is worse because its design lacks the efficiency and durability of the 2.2

the 2.2 is fantastic.. other than the lack of power...
The above has little to do with the original question.

its modern computer dependent system deletes the distributor cap problems ...

This is true for all 3 engines in the Alero and is therefore irrelevant.

[Alon Alero]

some of u r giving the I4 too much of a weight advantage. Yes, it is lighter but not enough to argue that it will make much of a difference and beat a 3.4. there r alot more factors u should consider. I think the torque on the 3.4 is it's weapon.

However i would still love to see who gets it between the 3.4 and the 2.2/2.4 manual.

[Oldsman]

quickest off the line??? should be the v-6 due to 200ft lbs of torque. but if you have a 5-spd you can launch a hell of a lot better.

on average the v-6 is faster in the 1/4 but there has been a few 2.4 close if not the same and then there was a factory freak eco with 5-spd that did better than all.

[bigdaddyD]

I think the 3.4 is better, but thats just my opinion, plus with a manual, it varies driver to driver due to different shifting habbits and the response time of the driver.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

auto stock vs auto stock, v6 beats 2.4. tested at the track.
make the 2.4 stick, 2.4 ftw.


2.4 stick > 2.2 stick > 3400 > 2.4 auto > 2.2 auto

/ thread.

[Alon Alero]

auto stock vs auto stock, v6 beats 2.4. tested at the track.


By how much?

[slicker24]

I raced a friend of mine with a 3.4 v6 alero a year newer than mine which is the 2.2l ecotec 2002 alero....I won not by a huge amount mind you....but he was in my rearview mirror....

[slicker24]

both cars are auto...sry

[kwhauck]

something was wrong then because he should have spanked you.....

regardless of tranny, i say 90% of the time the 3400 is gonna win.....

[NickAlero2000]

welcome back from the dead thread...hows it feel to be alive?
"well, this noob came along and wrote on me, so here i am!"
lol, sorry, had to say it, and welcome to Aleromod slicker24!

[CactusWill]

regardless of tranny, i say 90% of the time the 3400 is gonna win.....


depends on the speeds involved. 0-60, the V6 auto is only marginally faster than the 4 cyl auto, so the 4cyl stick would walk on the V6 auto at least up to 60. But the V6 will pull away at higher speeds, in the 1/4 and higher

[Midgear]

I wanna see a stock 2.4 or 2.2 keep up with my 3400.. manual or not

3400 has ways of getting a good launch off lol

[CactusWill]

I wanna see a stock 2.4 or 2.2 keep up with my 3400.. manual or not

3400 has ways of getting a good launch off lol


Oh... you mean this one?

LA1 3400 V6 - Cold air intake - DHP PCM - Pacesetter cat-back exhaust - 180 Tstat


:haha:


I'm talking stock vs stock, if you read back on old articles from car and driver, motor trend, etc, you'll see what I'm talking about

[kwhauck]

depends on the speeds involved. 0-60, the V6 auto is only marginally faster than the 4 cyl auto, so the 4cyl stick would walk on the V6 auto at least up to 60. But the V6 will pull away at higher speeds, in the 1/4 and higher

i am refering to the original thread question with is 1/4 mile, so yes v6 %90 of the time.....

[icemanko]

Oldsmobile did all the testing for us why do you think to 3.4 is in the higher models and more expensive.. because it's faster and more powerful why would you offer a car say.... 15 000 brand new and get the exact same car 14 000 thats faster then the 15 000. I'm not saying this because i have the 3.4 but I've raced the same car in a 2 door with the 2.4 and won and i have a 4 door.

[CactusWill]

i am refering to the original thread question with is 1/4 mile, so yes v6 %90 of the time.....


it doesn't say that anywhere, at least I didn't see it

[kwhauck]

Sorry, i guess i just assumed "i live my life a 1/4 mile at a time"

[Midgear]

I'm talking stock vs stock, if you read back on old articles from car and driver, motor trend, etc, you'll see what I'm talking about


ok.. a lightly modded 2.4 or 2.2-

[meadus101]

I didn't think the 2.4 came in a manual?

[Cliff8928]

Sure did. The only year you couldn't get a 4-cylinder with a manual was 1999.

[jwateland]

id have to sa that off the line the 2.4 would take it but when the rpms and higher gears hit in the 3.4, it would take the race

[meadus101]

Anyone wanna trade tranny's with me?

[Beholder88]

You know, it is possible to put a manual tranny under the 3.4. I wonder how much more of an edge that would give it in this comparison?

[Midgear]

You know, it is possible to put a manual tranny under the 3.4. I wonder how much more of an edge that would give it in this comparison?


it would be absolutely incredible.

[joserivas19]

well if this helps. my friend has an 01 grand am with a 2.4L and i have an 04' with a 3400. off the line at an intersection, he always beat me across the intersection by about half a car length. but after that i owned him be at least 4 maybe 5 car lengths.

[Midgear]

nobody in the state of oklahoma owns a 2.2 or 2.4 with a manual transmission..

unless theres a few folks from GAGT here- I should go look lol

[Nick_Wa]

I wish I had a stick in my 2.4, I would own 3.4s all day long lol

[jayson_waltz]

2.4 mid range power would own all others

[Midgear]

I wish I had a stick in my 2.4, I would own 3.4s all day long lol


untill around 20 mph.. then the V6 would suck you up through its intake.

[Cliff8928]

untill around 20 mph.. then the V6 would suck you up through its intake.

You don't realize how the gear ratios change the acceleration. The final drive ratio on the 5-speed is 3.94. My Ecotec can keep up with V6s.

[irondiezl3]

my ex had a sister with alero 2.4 ex had v6 gagt. we took off first alero beat us so bad it was pathetic. ex weights 100 pounds sister 300 with her 300 pound bf in passanger seat. both cars stock. so maybe the gear ratio does make a difference cuz we got spanked over and over again.

[Naich]

In my real-life track experience, the 3400 is quicker in the 1/4 than either the 2.2 or 2.4. The 2.4 manual is capable of beating it, but the driver has to be pretty good and get a very good launch.

This is, of course, stock vs. stock. The 2.2 is the better engine to mod for sure, and it is the more reliable motor.

[[ion] C2]

higher gears hit in the 3.4
For reference:

4T40-E
3.63:1

4T45-E
3.05:1


Also, my 2.4 can beat 3400s http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif

[TheEdgeofSanity]

C2;381069'
Also, my 2.4 can beat 3400s http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif

hmmm....maybe because you're supercharged, pushing about the same amount of power, if not more with a lighter engine?

well, i could easily say that I have a factory freak. what now? lmao

[[ion] C2]

250 > 170, I should easily be trappin 13s at the moment, but I need to put in my bigger injectors, tune, spray meth, and use the forged engine. Too risky to run at the track atm.

[Midgear]

is there a track in lansing michigan? :lol:

I say we all line em up at ASS 09'

[Naich]

is there a track in lansing michigan? :lol:

I say we all line em up at ASS 09'

Milan isn't too far away.

[[ion] C2]

I said that this year or somethin, but who wants to drive their car a long distance and risk having it break on the track? I'll race. Hell everyone drives em hard and "races" on the street. (Billy lost to Jackal, bad.) Lets go to the track and get some times. My house is nearby if anyone breaks down and the Aleromod crew can all fix it.

[kwhauck]

is there a track in lansing michigan? :lol:

I say we all line em up at ASS 09'

I'm game....:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

[[ion] C2]

Ya you better be there. And BlackJack and DOHC_tuner. Then we can hit up one of the nearby dragstrips and show em what an Olds can do.

[TheEdgeofSanity]

and then there will be me with my 100% stock alero.... to use as a control for the experiment.

[kwhauck]

C2;381173']Ya you better be there. And BlackJack and DOHC_tuner. Then we can hit up one of the nearby dragstrips and show em what an Olds can do.

I should be as long as everything stays on track!! Be even better if I get this new job!!

[Midgear]

brewahaha.. I cannot wait till ASS 09' .. this is going to be great.

[[ion] C2]

Especially if we all go racing or at least everyone go watching the few that wish to race.

[undecided02]

I have the 3.4L but if I had to hazard a guess I would say the 2.2 or 2.4 manual, purely because they rev higher and the driver has more control over shift time. the 3.4 is all about top end which takes that extra time to kick in. it really depends on distance. if we are talking quarter mile all three are close competitors, if its the 8th mile than the four bangers will win for sure. (assuming its stock).

[BlackJack]

You don't realize how the gear ratios change the acceleration. The final drive ratio on the 5-speed is 3.94. My Ecotec can keep up with V6s.

I've been over 150+ (paced by a Z06 when he finally caught up) on a 2-mile runway. You sure about that? :p

[Midgear]

^^ dayum :lol:

[meadus101]

So if there's racing at ASS 09'.

I can't wait to see videos.

[billytheman1188]

I've been over 150+ (paced by a Z06 when he finally caught up) on a 2-mile runway. You sure about that? :p

Over 150 on the alero???? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN:eek::coolio:

[billytheman1188]

C2;381133']Billy lost to Jackal, bad.)

LOL, yea i knew he would beat me. But we also had A LOT more weight in my car. my huge ass box and two guys who are over 200lbs;)

[Midgear]

we actually did a little test in my cousins front yard.. we jacked my car up and had the front tires off lookin around for whatever to clean / fix, checkin cv axels / boots / tie rod ends.. we figured we'd get the aleros top speed.

this car has the gears to go well over 140 MPH, because at 140, we were at around 3500 rpm- car redlines at 6000 rpm (duh) - this leads us to believe we actually got the front rotors rotating around 170 - 180 MPH once we maxed it out-

with idiocy comes destruction lol.. we damn near melted the passenger side brake pads.. rotor wouldnt turn till it all cooled off.. dont wanna hear "omg that'll damage ur tranny" or anything like that.. im fully aware of what could have gone wrong, but the car still runs fine and it's been about 6 months since we've done this with no problems with the car-

testing ftw..

[Cliff8928]

I've been over 150+ (paced by a Z06 when he finally caught up) on a 2-mile runway. You sure about that? :p

Man, technicalities. ... My Ecotec will keep up with a lightly modified V6. Once the warranty is up then maybe I'll try to make it keep up with yours. :p

[BlackJack]

I gotta admit, that 2.93 ratio in the 4t65 sure didn't hurt any.

[[ion] C2]

So if there's racing at ASS 09'.

I can't wait to see videos.

Indeed we'll have a cameraman taking stills and videos at the track of everyone runnin. Going to be badass.

[Cliff8928]

I gotta admit, that 2.93 ratio in the 4t65 sure didn't hurt any.

If you have enough torque it will be to your advantage. More aggressive then you just lose grip and even go up in smoke.

[cherrington17]

I've been over 150+ (paced by a Z06 when he finally caught up) on a 2-mile runway. You sure about that? :p

video proof or it didn't happen. :p

[[ion] C2]

Not that hard to believe, many on here have nailed 140+ no prob stock. with HPTuners or equivalent you can see your speed even after it's gone off the speedo. I'd never drive that fast though. Lol. Imagine a blowout at 150-160.

[BlackJack]

C2;384959']Not that hard to believe, many on here have nailed 140+ no prob stock. with HPTuners or equivalent you can see your speed even after it's gone off the speedo. I'd never drive that fast though. Lol. Imagine a blowout at 150-160.

Not as easy as it sounds, you still have to have enough power to push beyond the aerodynamic limitations. Just removing your speed limiter is usually not enough to push 140. Most alero's aren't pushing enough power to break 120.

[[ion] C2]

I have done 138 in mine before i pussed out.
And there's been a few videos on YouTube of Aleros doing faster, stock. Lol this info was taken from a funny "top speed limiter - how to remove?" thread.

koo guys thanks i guess ill just work on da looks of my ride lol hell its better i wont get n e more tickets peace take it easy fellas
roffle

[coolgrinder33]

well here is what i have herd...subtract 10 horse power for every 100 pounds...now i dont know the wieght of either car off the top of my head...but someone can find it real quick im sure
...and no offense to anyone...but the 3.4's are just so damn unreliable

[BlackJack]

well here is what i have herd...subtract 10 horse power for every 100 pounds...now i dont know the wieght of either car off the top of my head...but someone can find it real quick im sure
...and no offense to anyone...but the 3.4's are just so damn unreliable

Yeah, those 2.2 and 2.4 engines are hugely reliable. Please lets not go there with the 4t40 transmissions they mate up to them. Um...now back to reality...........

[[ion] C2]

178,800 mi, stock 4T40E

[super white alero1]

well here is what i have herd...subtract 10 horse power for every 100 pounds...now i dont know the wieght of either car off the top of my head...but someone can find it real quick im sure
...and no offense to anyone...but the 3.4's are just so damn unreliable

Where you hear that from? 2.2 ecotec has serious potential, 2.4 TC can make good power. 3400 well abuse the search and see the respond from BJ.

BTW its 3400 not 3.4, those are in the lumina sedan.

[leoalero]

Igot a coupé 2.2 ecotec 5 speed trany in mine and the first time ive hit the gaz pedal at full throttle ive been surprised by the power it gives mine weights around 3000 lbs!!I would try a 3400 just for fun!!

[Midgear]

C2;385049']178,800 mi, stock 4T40E


your time will come.. lol

[BlackJack]

many people with half or fewer miles than that has had "their time come" with that transmission.

[Midgear]

im up to 127 thousand miles with the original tranny.. only hell its given me is a slight slip at wot.. which is going to turn into a snap and crunch now that i say something about it.