Hello.

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

I'm just joining, I'm not driving my alero, i don't even have it yet, we just purchased it friday and it should be here by the end of this week, is a 2000 GL (hence my usrnm) with the 3.4" engine. it has 57,XXX miles on it and not a spot of rust. i plan on painting or undercoating asap, becouse it will be a year round car. i plan on making it a sleep over the winter and into next falling, trying to obtain around 300hp. im not just another hopeful 18 y.o. i work my ass off and spend large sums on my vehicles while not in college. the vehicle i had was a 1994 3.8L mustang, some underbody rust and a couple pin heads around the back wheels, all loaded down with amps and subs. I still am a "made member" of Allfordmustang.com so i know how this site works.

stuff i want to do to the alero soon , CAI or "turbonator". and add a tuning chip/ tune it as much as safly possible stock. and im going to have to search for some other budget friendly mods to get it up over 200hp this winter (arent they ~185hp stock??)

next summer/ fall i want to get a used (or affordable) turbo kit. and run around 6/7PSI on stock internals (is that safe?).


ok enough of my dreams and lifestory.

[billytheman1188]

LOL, please tell me your joking about the turbonator......

They are 170 hp stock, about 140 at the wheels. Your going to have to do some major upgrades to get her over 200hp. This guy made me laugh while reading the post..... lol

[Gr1m]

sounds like you want to fab up your own turbo setup and call it a day

[Alerosaint]

welcome man...ditch the turbonator idea and think big

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I my self am an 18 year old too, I learned the best thing you can do before trying to get numbers over 300hp is read every bit of info you can find on what you are doing, your best bet is build up the block with forged pistons and rods and have the heads all ported with new valves, springs, retainers, so on and so forth, build a custom turbo and run it a a higher boost level than 8psi but be careful higher boost can mess your engine up. but that's not the end of getting more power, you need a good transmission and a really beefy bank account. I'm sure I've missed a lot of stuff but I know there are other guys that can correct me and add to what I've said.

Oh and Welcome to the site. :beerchug:

[[ion] C2]

No turbocharger kits are available for the 3400.

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

i threw the turbonator idea out there and thats kinda what i expected lol.
the turbo, i don't want to to do much more than what is absolutly needed i don't have the time or garage, and yeah, i'de love to break the engine down but with the above and i don't have a secondary means of transportation. i guess i read some of the not so great posts on here about mods. I thought i read on here in a discussion about turbos that someone was running off stock internals at 12psi ( i know thats not the smartest) and how hard is it to put a turbo in i know its not as simple as slapping it in there but don't you have to have boost controls and other interfaces with your computer in order to keep it from running to lean or too rich?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

C2;388578']No turbocharger kits are available for the 3400.
what about custom fab?

[Alerosaint]

all the turbo ive seen for th 3.4s are custom jobs taking alot of time and money..but as long as you the patience and dedication you can build it up

[[ion] C2]

Like I said, no turbocharger kits are available for the 3400. :blink:

Sounds like you have a lot to learn about turbocharger systems. Also, PSI is a measure of flow resistance, not of power output. 12 PSI using one turbo may not make the same power as 12 PSI using another, and there is no set specific limit of the capabilities of the stock engine. It's not recommended to exceed a certain horsepower limit without having a built bottom end though. On the LD9s, it's somewhere around 275HP.

The main components of a turbocharger system are as follows:

turbocharger
wastegate (internal or external)
exhaust/turbo manifold
downpipe
braided oil lines with fittings
charge piping
couplers and clamps for pipes
blow-off valve
larger fuel injectors
boost controller
intercooler (optional, but worth it)
tuning

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

see when i first got my mustang i was thinking about that.

another idea thats more for the wow! and "I did it" factor:

can I use a factory Turbo out of some junk car that gives me only a little boost 3-6PSI so i won't have to do much to my engine.

mainly has anyone done that?

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

yeah thers alot to learn, but thats why im asking questions

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

an off topic question while everyones here, why can't i see my signature when i post?







Edit: NVM must be lag....

[[ion] C2]

You can use whatever turbocharger you want since the manifold and turbo flange are going to be custom anyway, lol.

I can see it. You have to change your settings to "Show my signature." in the User CP.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

C2;388590']You can use whatever turbocharger you want since the manifold and turbo flange are going to be custom anyway, lol.

I can see it. You have to change your settings to "Show my signature." in the User CP.
finding someone that can, fabricate you a manifold and turbo flange may or may not be a challenge, and may or not be costly (depending on who does it). lucky for me my cousin could do that for me and my ecotec for a flat of beer and the cost of materials but why would I do that when there are kits on the market for the ecotec all I would have to do is change the charge piping, and get it tuned.

[Gr1m]

see when i first got my mustang i was thinking about that.

another idea thats more for the wow! and "I did it" factor:

can I use a factory Turbo out of some junk car that gives me only a little boost 3-6PSI so i won't have to do much to my engine.

mainly has anyone done that?
richies internals are stock (i think?) so hes probably running around that PSI with his setup although if he got forged internals he could easily crank that up

[Alerosaint]

@AL... or you can find parts on j-body...they always selling some stuff

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

im thinking of doing machining (CNC), and getting certified in welding while im in college, i knowsome people that can do that kind of stuff.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I'm personally not going the turbo route, but it is an option.

[cherrington17]

welcome aboard. another Ny'er!

good luck w/ the car

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

well more realisticlly, what should i look into, to get my car up ~200 whp

[N1ck3r]

Welcome, and good luck!

[billytheman1188]

Start with the cheaper mods

Headers- http://ssheaders.com/

Exhaust-
http://www.car-stuff.com/store/?N=11412+4294967259+1686+11920+9292

Intake-
You can find one off ebay for a good price (get CAI)

[[ion] C2]

intake, full exhaust, nitrous. easy 200+ whp, lol

boost it if you want to make any real consistent power. talk to BlackJack.

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

well im looking for legal power.

[cherrington17]

if you want to prevent your car from going the way of entropy, i'd avoid nitrous.

[[ion] C2]

nitrous is legal, noob. why would nitrous be illegal yet superchargers and turbochargers are legal. all add power.

get the hazardous materials paperwork and material classification label on your car and you're fine

cherrington, you're clueless. along with most when it comes to nitrous use. everyone's like OMG nitrous boom. turn off Fast and the Furious, it's nothing like that whatsoever.

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

why then when i spend an hour looking for the question is nitrous legal, 85% say it's illegal mabe where you are it is, i think it is illegal in NY. only if you get caught with it, who looks anyway...

[Trickyslick]

Welcome and good luck with it all...

[01OldsAleroGt]

you can also go the route of RSM/Z-Spec S/C Kit.. but a few components would have to be replaced once you get the kit... PFYC.com offers it for $4400 but Z-spec.com offers it for $2900

for all the info for to make sure the s/c kit is bulletproof. heres all the info you need it to do it. once your good. the expected output this S/C kit will provide is 80/hp and 75 ft/lbs tq.. but also expect this.. kinda shitty Customer Service tho..

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65166&highlight=rsm+bearing

[Midgear]

^^^ hmm.. I'd like to see a video clip of this thing in action-

[cherrington17]

C2;388619']
cherrington, you're clueless. along with most when it comes to nitrous use. everyone's like OMG nitrous boom. turn off Fast and the Furious, it's nothing like that whatsoever.

not clueless persay... but its generally more of the happening around here. Someone gets NOS (which i'm pretty sure is illegal here in NY, and i'm positive that your insurance will drop you if your found with it) and they mount a massive amount of it to a stock engine.

start street racing, hit the N20, and their engine craps out.



i KNOW this doesn't happen to everyone, and that you can run it, in a stable manner. but how many people who have it/use it, know what they are doing. most HP seekers, go for permanent power.

[Midgear]

lol.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYAI0rwRsbU

[[ion] C2]

Nitrous is permanent power. It's because a shitload of retards are throwing on HUGE shots (100+ HP) of DRY, meaning, they're spraying nitrous oxide which adds a lot of air to the combustion, and no more fuel and expect the fuel system to magically add more fuel to compensate. When you spray WET, it sprays the perfect ratio of fuel to go along with the amount of nitrous. However, then you get people spraying also, huge shots, or on a fuel system that's worn down and doesn't make the same fuel pressure it used to. Fuel pressure drop, spike to lean, melt pistons, snap rods, etc.

The only reason carrying filled nitrous bottles is illegal is because you do not have the authority to transport that class chemical. It can be used as a drug (laughing gas, however most automotive use contains some sulphur or other toxic chemical so if you try it you die). As long as you have the proper papers for the material and display the proper warning label on the exterior of the vehicle it's perfectly legal.

Why the fuck would using "nitrous" be any more illegal than any other power adder? You can use nitrous on the street without going over the speed limit, just like I can boost without speeding... cops just like to make it out to be that those with nitrous must be a "street racer" since that fucking stupid F&F movie came out that made it look like nitrous tanks explode with blue fire in a car fire and cause floorboards to fall out.

When used properly, with low fuel pressure cutoffs and such, and with a reasonably sized horsepower addition amount, it's just as safe as forced induction.

[[ion] C2]

lol.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYAI0rwRsbU
lol holy shit that was awesome. never seen one go up like that and make that kind of sound.

Added too much fuel in the manifold, puddled, caught on fire, engine still running, fueled the flames with an un-cut off supply of nitrous (oxygen) equals long large fire.

[BEELER]

lol, I'm pretty sure I'm the hopeless 18 year old. bahah :cool:

[cherrington17]

...and with a little help... we might upgrade you, to a piece of crap. :emotlol:

[Daytona]

Welcome aboard!

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

well after the reality slap, im going to have to reat my own words and say yes, im a hopeless 18 year old, the best it will probably see while i have it are some perormace -maintanance parts and a CAI, a tune if lucky, but it will have a system bad enough to burn the altenator right up. 3500W RMS BABY
its going to be about a month before i get the amp though a hifonics 2000WRMS 1-ohm amp. and i'll throw a couple 10's in too. yeah thats about the only thing i know inside and out about cars ... electronics/ and audio. and no im not spending 183.99 for a F**king optima in the trunk, i'll settle for 2 1000CA Walmart specials $74.48ea.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

So I take it your school didn't offer a mechanics class?

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

the highschool or college?

[undecided02]

if you are willing to drop a large amount of cash for performance then maybe u can be the first one to do the 3.8L supercharged swap we all like to muse about when we are bored.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

the highschool or college?
I meant to say high school?

[undecided02]

so heres my 2 cents. CAI, cat back exhaust, msd wires, bosch platinum plus 4 plugs, gasket match, lightwieght pulleys, kit it and slam it.

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

my school ofered basic mechanical classes we even had the option to go to a career tech center for a half day junior and senior year, i wasn't interested in cars at that point , i went to the tech center but it was for computers... waste. I have a 3.8L engine! right in my mustang haha. the super or turbo for that engine is ape sh1t expensive, beleive me. being a ford it probably wouldn't fit the mounts anyway and thats in the mustang regular, not sideways.

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

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check it out.

[cavaliers60]

do you really need a 102 lb sub in your car??? I mean louder isn't always better if that's what you are going for.... In fact, the louder you go, the better chance you have at loosing your hearing. Then all that $$ will be a waste since you won't be able to hear it.


I would go for audio quality more than just being loud, but that's just my opinion....

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

i plan on doing Audio competition. i didn't just go out and blow $1500 for personal listening.


and BTW does anyone know where i can find a alternator for a 3.4L alero that puts out 250-350 Amps? or is there anyone who has 2 alternators, i looked under the hood yesterday and i don't see how it's possible but i figured i should ask.

[undecided02]

well I doubt a ford engine would fit in an olds.... and it would be a sin

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

haha yeah a sin for sure.

[99-alero]

if you are willing to drop a large amount of cash for performance then maybe u can be the first one to do the 3.8L supercharged swap we all like to muse about when we are bored.

the 3.8L SC swap has already been done

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

anyone have any Digital Design subs or FI for sale? is there a for sale and wanted section on the site?

[cavaliers60]

i plan on doing Audio competition. i didn't just go out and blow $1500 for personal listening.


and BTW does anyone know where i can find a alternator for a 3.4L alero that puts out 250-350 Amps? or is there anyone who has 2 alternators, i looked under the hood yesterday and i don't see how it's possible but i figured i should ask.


ok gotcha! :thumb: I think you should be able to fit another alternator in there somewhere. You might have to make a custom mount for it though.

[Ian 2000GL LA1]

yeah deffinatly will have to i'll CNC it.

[Snively]

Welcome man , enjoy the site