superchargers

[darksobsession]

for those that have the eaton M45, how much hp did you gain, and is it in the lower band? do they really deserve the 'heaton' nickname?

are there other eaton scs? who has it?

what other superchargers are available? who again?

is the one that you could formerly get from gmparts the eaton?

being that i have the ecotec, is hp tuners the only way to go?

what i'm looking for is rapid acceleration.

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ever visit Aleromod Upgrades?

- 50HP stock pulley stock everything on the engine
- it's everywhere, it's a supercharger, instant boost
- heaton because non-intercooled generates heat, as with any forced induction. get a meth kit and you're set.
- this is the only roots supercharger available for this engine at this time, unless custom. RSM made a centrifugal kit, doubt it's still available, but it's crap
- you can still get it from GMPartsDirect and any GM dealer

Oh, so now you tell me you have an Ecotec. The one for your engine is the MP62 kit, still available from GMPartsDirect, PacePerformance, etc. Since you have the Ecotec, if you want to be able to edit the tune with the supercharger for future upgrades, you'll need to use HPTuners and have it professionally tuned rather than the GM reflash, as it is LOCKED so it cannot be edited.

[darksobsession]

ya, i like your site a lot, but it's not really updated, so maybe something new came up?

i need hptuners AND a professional tune?

[kwhauck]

Unless you are biased to superchargers, your best option would be to look at Hahn for a turbo setup.....

[darksobsession]

would a turbo give equivalent performance in the low end as a s/c?

also, with a turbo, i would have to switch to premium gasoline and redo my exhaust (header, stock cat, flowmaster muffler with stock piping), yes?

[kwhauck]

if the turbo is sized right you could get pretty close to the same low end and if you want performance you are gonna run premium wether you have a supercharger or turbo, and if you are gonna keep your stock exhaust with a supercharger setup you are also wasting your time there as well, do it right or don't do it at all.

[Spilner521]

would a turbo give equivalent performance in the low end as a s/c?

also, with a turbo, i would have to switch to premium gasoline and redo my exhaust (header, stock cat, flowmaster muffler with stock piping), yes?
Yes, a turbo would give just as much low end as the supercharger, with the added benefit of giving you around twice as much power and torque as the supercharger, all on low boost, plus the turbo would be intercooled.

You'll have to switch to premium gasoline regardless of if you run a turbo or supercharger.

Running a turbo will replace the stock exhaust manifold and you'll have to have a downpipe fabricated that attaches the turbo outlet to the inlet of the stock catalytic converter. You can run a stock exhaust wil the turbo, but you won't realize the full potential of the kit without adding at least a larger diameter, free flowing cat-back exhaust.

There is no turbo kit available for an Alero that comes with all the parts ready to bolt on and go. If you buy a Hahn turbo kit, everything will work except for the intercooler pipes and possibly the exhaust downpipe. You will have to have these pipes fabricated to fit an Alero.

The supercharger would be an easier option since all the parts in the GM kit will bolt right on, but there is no reflash available for the Alero. You'll have to also get the HPTuners software to have the engine tuned for boost, or come up with another way to add fuel with boost.

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Yes, a turbo would give just as much low end as the supercharger, with the added benefit of giving you around twice as much power and torque as the supercharger, all on low boost, plus the turbo would be intercooled.
He said he has the Ecotec; he can use the MP62 kit and be intercooled with the integrated liquid to air intercooler. No turbo will give you just as much low end as a supercharger. Supercharger = instant boost, no spoolup whatsoever required. No matter how small the turbo, it'll take some amount of time to boost fully.
ya, i like your site a lot, but it's not really updated, so maybe something new came up?

i need hptuners AND a professional tune
The site has all the answers to the questions in your original post pertaining to the MP45 as you said, however you have the Ecotec, so it's all irrelevant now.

Whoever does the tuning will need HPTuners, and I'm sure you'd want it to monitor everything as well as make your own adjustments over time.. it's well worth it.

[Spilner521]

C2;415935']No turbo will give you just as much low end as a supercharger. Supercharger = instant boost, no spoolup whatsoever required. No matter how small the turbo, it'll take some amount of time to boost fully.
Who needs instant boost under 1500-2000rpm? On a FWD street car it's more like instant wheel spin. It's unusable torque.

[darksobsession]

the turbo would require tuning as well, yes??

[AJules]

the turbo would require tuning as well, yes??

yes,.

[kwhauck]

Who needs instant boost under 1500-2000rpm? On a FWD street car it's more like instant wheel spin. It's unusable torque.

I do!!! Whipple makes full boost at 1800rpm!!!:yahoo: seriously though instant wheel spin sucks, but it can be tamed, at least that is the goal.....there are some nice progressive controllers to slowly increase the supercharger boost on launch, but then you might as well get a turbo, unless you are biased to superchargers, like I am!!:scpimp:

[darksobsession]

whipple = ?

could you explain why you have a bias for s/c?

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whipple is a twin screw design supercharger

less maintenance and chance of failure, whine, linear boost

[darksobsession]

is the whipple only available for the 3400?

what's the diff with the GM?

turbo v supercharger, which is cheaper, which is less pita? the threads on these are all over the place.

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none of them are available... it's custom...

[darksobsession]

ok, so the apoc/whipple are for the 3400.

the rsm seems to be too.

so it's either the mp62 or a turbo. turbo v supercharger, which is cheaper, which is less pita? people seem to be in a disagreement over the pros and cons.

[kwhauck]

ok, so the apoc/whipple are for the 3400.

the rsm seems to be too.

so it's either the mp62 or a turbo. turbo v supercharger, which is cheaper, which is less pita? people seem to be in a disagreement over the pros and cons.

sorry apoc never made a whipple kit for the 3400, and when I am done to my knowledge I will be the only whippled n-body....

rsm and magnuson have 3400 supercharger kits....

as far you are concerned, it was stated before....

The supercharger would be an easier option since all the parts in the GM kit will bolt right on, but there is no reflash available for the Alero. You'll have to also get the HPTuners software to have the engine tuned for boost, or come up with another way to add fuel with boost.

the supercharger will probably be easier and give you the low end you are looking for, but the turbo will most likely give you more power overall but that isn't necessarily a turbo vs. supercharger thing, I believe that is more because yes, the hEatons aren't that effecient, although I would love to see a new TVS eco blower.....

either way don't be afraid of HPTuners, it is a great program with a pretty easy learning curve, and lots of people on another great forum to help you out......

[Cliff8928]

You can do a TVS on the ecotec too...

[kwhauck]

now that would be an awesome option!!!

[AtomicX]

You said no turbo's bolt up exactly?
What about this one I found on EBAY for the 2.4L Cavalier?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDMS-1998-2002-CAVALIER-2-4L-T3-T4-TURBO-KIT-99-00-01_W0QQitemZ120343403212QQcmdZViewItem

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we said no turbo KITS bolt up exactly. how the hell do you expect a charge pipe made for the cavalier to be the exact length and shape to fit around an n-body's engine bay and bumper

[Spilner521]

there are some nice progressive controllers to slowly increase the supercharger boost on launch, but then you might as well get a turbo, unless you are biased to superchargers, like I am!!:scpimp:
Exactly. It all comes down to personal preference.


turbo v supercharger, which is cheaper, which is less pita? the threads on these are all over the place.
The supercharger would be cheaper and less pain in the ass because everything comes in a kit and bolts on. The only thing you have to figure out is how to add fuel in boost.

The turbo would be all custom because there is no kit available. You could by a kit for a Cavalier or Cobalt, but the pipes wouldn't fit and then you'd have to spend more to have everything fabricated.

The turbo's advantage over the supercharger is more power and easier upgradeability. Plus, if you ever wanted to run more boost, all it takes is the simple turn of a knob.

You said no turbo's bolt up exactly?
What about this one I found on EBAY for the 2.4L Cavalier?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDMS-1998-2002-CAVALIER-2-4L-T3-T4-TURBO-KIT-99-00-01_W0QQitemZ120343403212QQcmdZViewItem
The only thing I would use out of that "kit" is the oil lines, and the pipes to fabricate some that fit. If you're going turbo, stay away from knock off stuff on eBay. Most of the the "kits" sold are a bunch of generic parts put in one box and called a kit. Nothing is a direct bolt on type of deal. The "kit" in that link doesn't even include an exhaust manifold and who knows what kind of quality that turbo is.

[meadus101]

See, for the things Spilner list above,


I'd go with Supercharger. just because of alot less bullshit.


I hate how they sound though.

To me, Hearing a turbo spool up and the blow off valve is much scarier and makes me do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

[Spilner521]

There's no bullshit about it. If you don't know anything about boost but want it, supercharger is easier and cheaper. If you know a lot about boost and how it works and don't mind spending a little more to do it right, a turbo will get you more power.

About that video, the checkout girl is smokin hot....and was that Justin Timberlake as the janitor? :lol:

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That video was posted on JBO today in reference to the news story about the woman who has 200 orgasms a day. "Suffers" from Permanent Sexual Arousal Syndrome.