HID questions/info

[cherrington17]

For the group buy guys.

9006 low
9005 high ???

and they are considered illegal w/o projectors. I'm not sure how many of you are planning on getting projectors, but i definitely am. (no reason to GIVE a reason to get pulled over... plus it conserves/spreads light better)

anyone have any good links to projectors, cheap/good. I've seen TSX projetors get used commonly. (probably available on ebay)

and do you aim these the same as the old ones?

spilner, any fyi's for retrofitting? i know your in the middle of your own project with them.

good write up, for a scion.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=75144


someone care to do one for us?

[Spilner521]

TSX projectors work well and they fit into the Alero headlights pretty nicely. You don't need 9006 HID bulbs if you're using HID projectors. You just want regular D2S bulbs.

I would just do a HID low beam and keep the halogens for the highs, that's how almost every HID equipped car comes from the factory, unless it's Bi-Xenon. It takes several seconds for the bulb to warm up and reach it's peak brightness, so if you flash the high's, they won't be all that bright unless you leave them on long enough to warm up.

There are several differnet color temperatures to choose from. The higher the number does not mean the light is brighter. 4300K is pure white and puts out the most amount of light. Any higher and the light becomes more blue and purple and puts out less useable light.

Projectors are the best way keep the glare out of people's faces and keep the light on the road, where it's supposed to be. No, you don't NEED projectors, but if you want to keep from getting pulled over for having lights that are too bright, it's better if you have them. Here's a picture of HID projectors vs. HID bulbs in stock Alero headlights.

HID projectors - even lighting and nice cut off line

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9065/tsxcutoff1or8.jpg

HID's in Alero headlights - insane amount of glare (pic of mfuller's car)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4007/stockalerohid2mq3.png

Basically what you have to do is cut a hole in the reflector housing large enough to mount the reflector bowl for the projector. Just make sure it's straight and level in the housing and you can aim the headlights just like when they're stock.

That Scion link that Cherry provided is actually a pretty good write-up with some nice pictures and could be used to retrofit an Alero headlight as well.

Here's a couple pics of mine. I still have to paint the bezel flat black to match the flat black reflector housings, and I need to make a shroud so that all you see is the projector lens and not the whole projector housing.

TSX projector in Alero headlight, modified to make a more blue cut-off line - 4300K Phillips D2S HID bulb with OEM Infiniti G35 ballast.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4182/aleroheadlight002gz6.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7781/aleroheadlight001tf2.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5743/aleroheadlight003rw4.jpg


/super long post :thumb:

[cherrington17]

so whats the diff between 9006 and ds2??

[Spilner521]

9006 HID is a D2S bulb re-based to fit where a 9006 bulb goes. A normal D2S bulb is based to fit a HID projector.

[cherrington17]

ok. so i'll have to change my order if i'm doing projectors.

[AftermathAlero]

ok. so i'll have to change my order if i'm doing projectors.

yup you would

[cherrington17]

spil, doesn't painting the whole thing back, hinder the other lights, that aren't projected?

[Spilner521]

Nope. Take a look again. The turn signal, side marker, and high beam reflectors are all left unpainted. The parts that are painted won't affect light output.

[Rexter9x]

Man, that retro looks great, nice and clean. Any plans for a bezel to cover up all the mounting and such?

[NickAlero2000]

got a strait pic of the headlights? it may just be the picture angle...but the whole thing does look black...

[Cliff8928]

For the group buy guys.

9006 low
9005 high ???

and they are considered illegal w/o projectors. I'm not sure how many of you are planning on getting projectors, but i definitely am. (no reason to GIVE a reason to get pulled over... plus it conserves/spreads light better)

To be simple and to the point... Using any alternate lamp that was not approved by D.O.T. in the lamp housing is illegal, regardless of how it performs.


Projectors are the best way keep the glare out of people's faces and keep the light on the road, where it's supposed to be. No, you don't NEED projectors, but if you want to keep from getting pulled over for having lights that are too bright, it's better if you have them. Here's a picture of HID projectors vs. HID bulbs in stock Alero headlights.

HID's in Alero headlights - insane amount of glare

In my experience I've never gotten pulled over for headlight glare in any retrofitted vehicle. I also don't have people flashing, etc. either. Funny that I had that happen in the XLR fairly often with factory HIDs. As far as the glare is concerned, From what it appears to me, quite a bit of the glare comes from the actual chrome around the bezel. This happens on my mom's denali too, and it has projectors.


Oh, and I'm not knocking projectors either. They definitely are a superior more efficient design.

[doubleN0alero]

I got flashed everytime I took my car out at night. There was a crazy amount of glare. I hated myself when my parents were following me in my car as I was driving theirs.

[Cliff8928]

That's crazy.. There must be a significant difference between the quality of different kits.

I've asked many people who have driven in front of me too...

[billytheman1188]

Spilner....those projector headlights look AMAZING. Im usually not a fan of projectors in alero head lights but you just made me change my mind:eek: If you ever wanna sell them, I WANT THEM!!!! remember that spilner ;)

[billytheman1188]

Oh and i just read the thread....... i NEVER had people flash me from the opposite direction when i had my 8000k HIDs in.

[mfuller]

HID's in Alero headlights - insane amount of glare (I forget who posted this pic, it's from someone on here)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4007/stockalerohid2mq3.png



That's my car, and FWIW, I have yet to have oncoming traffic flash me either. If I had my druthers, I'd rather have projectors, but I'm too lazy - plus I don't want to butcher my Euro-spec housings.:)

[billytheman1188]

That's my car, and FWIW, I have yet to have oncoming traffic flash me either. If I had my druthers, I'd rather have projectors, but I'm too lazy - plus I don't want to butcher my Euro-spec housings.:)
heh, you put those on your car? the ones from the olds show..... niiiiice;)

[Spilner521]

Man, that retro looks great, nice and clean. Any plans for a bezel to cover up all the mounting and such?
Thanks man...reading > you :p
Here's a couple pics of mine. I still have to paint the bezel flat black to match the flat black reflector housings, and I need to make a shroud so that all you see is the projector lens and not the whole projector housing.


got a strait pic of the headlights? it may just be the picture angle...but the whole thing does look black...
They are black, but I painted the bezels satin black before I actually got a can of flat black. I sprayed the reflector housings in flat black, I just need to repaint the bezels in flat black to match. You can see the difference between satin black bezel and flat black low beam housing in this pic:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7781/aleroheadlight001tf2.jpg
That's my car
OK I added it to the original post :thumb:

[Vinalero]

That's my car, and FWIW, I have yet to have oncoming traffic flash me either. If I had my druthers, I'd rather have projectors, but I'm too lazy - plus I don't want to butcher my Euro-spec housings.:)


Euro spec headlights heh? did you get those shipped from Europe? How much did that cost you?

[NickAlero2000]

Spilner, are the high beam housings painted black as well then?!?

[Cliff8928]

Just for comparison, here's what mine look like..

http://home.comcast.net/~cliff_scott/HID.jpg

[cherrington17]

cliff, you don't have projectors?

[mfuller]

Euro spec headlights heh? did you get those shipped from Europe? How much did that cost you?
Nope. John (jackal2000) found 'em for me at the Olds Homecoming swap meet last summer. You'll hate me if I say what I paid.

[Cliff8928]

cliff, you don't have projectors?

Nope, and I've never touched the adjustments either. My pic is a little further back (about 30ft I'd guess, I just snapped it quick when i got home from work last night)

[Spilner521]

Spilner, are the high beam housings painted black as well then?!?
Yes and no. It's painted black on the top and bottom inside the housing, but not the part of the chrome reflector that actually reflects the light, as you can see in this pic:
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4182/aleroheadlight002gz6.jpg

[cherrington17]

if anyone finds a great deal on TSX projectors... shoot me the link.

[sivado10]

For the group buy guys.

9006 low
9005 high ???

and they are considered illegal w/o projectors. I'm not sure how many of you are planning on getting projectors, but i definitely am. (no reason to GIVE a reason to get pulled over... plus it conserves/spreads light better)

anyone have any good links to projectors, cheap/good. I've seen TSX projetors get used commonly. (probably available on ebay)

and do you aim these the same as the old ones?

spilner, any fyi's for retrofitting? i know your in the middle of your own project with them.

good write up, for a scion.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=75144


someone care to do one for us?

If you're getting 9006s, you wont' be able to use them with TSX projectors. After I sold my Alero, for an Accord, I did a TSX retro writeup with lots of facts and pictures. Here is that writeup. http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164895 (http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164895)

[cherrington17]

nice job, and thanks for the link. i changed my order, so i am infact getting the d2s or ds2 (whichever they are) so they WILL fit projectors.

[Spilner521]

If you're getting 9006s, you wont' be able to use them with TSX projectors. After I sold my Alero, for an Accord, I did a TSX retro writeup with lots of facts and pictures. Here is that writeup. http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread. (http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164895)php?t=164895 (http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164895)
Nice write-up. Very similar to what I'm doing.
d2s or ds2 (whichever they are)
D2S

http://www.hidexpert.com/gallery/philips_d2rd2s/DSCN3961.JPG

[cherrington17]

unfortunately, d2s isn't part of the group buy.... i had to change mine to 9006. (still 4300k though)

i guess projectors will have to wait.

[Spilner521]

All you'll have to do for projectors is buy new bulbs. You won't need an entire new setup with new ballasts.

[cherrington17]

yeah, but this will get me started. i'll have HID w/o projectors and then i can take my time getting parts/ everything built for the projector project.

[billytheman1188]

WOW, the price of this whole project is not worth it..... :lol: $300-$400 headlights......nah, i will use that money for performance;)

[cherrington17]

3-400??

bulbs/ballasts - $65
projectors (i'm looking in the ballpark of $100)

thats if i bother with it. i might just stick w/ the non projected.

[xXManwhoreXx]

I have also been looking into this cherrington.. so your not alone.

[billytheman1188]

3-400??

bulbs/ballasts - $65
projectors (i'm looking in the ballpark of $100)

thats if i bother with it. i might just stick w/ the non projected.

ah ok. Cause on that one scion site it said the projectors from the acura were 200

[sivado10]

3-400??

bulbs/ballasts - $65
projectors (i'm looking in the ballpark of $100)

thats if i bother with it. i might just stick w/ the non projected.
$65 for a set of bulbs alone is a deal, let alone ballasts - even bad ballasts. Very used projectors could be had for $100, but the project can't be done this cheaply, at least if you want better than below-average results.

[NickAlero2000]

Spilner, how much did you pay for all the parts for your retrofit of your projectors?

[NickAlero2000]

^bump^

[MixtapeMessiah]

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o27/aleroonchrome00/Picture411.jpg

My HID's without any projectors...6500k to be exact.
Doesnt Anderbra still make custom projector headlights? I remember them being really really expensive though, but Spilner please do let us know how much it cost to do that, Id love to do a retrofit on my headlights...people truely hate me when I drive behind them or their driving towards me on a 2 way road lol

[MixtapeMessiah]

sorry if the pic is massively huge