Ecotec Simple Low Cost Mods

[AleroDrime]

hey i tried teh search button but it didnt really give me any info

im not building a race car and the ecotec is pretty fast as is, i just want to know some simple mods for the motor like >100 type stuff to make it get better gas and jsut a little more power to accept the abuse of a heavy foot?

Im already looking at an intake

but plugs and other things id love some advice on:scpimp:

[99alerogirl]

enter ion... NOW



http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/

[HazMatt24]

not exactly adding power, but you can gut it. Lighter = faster and removing stuff is usually free.

Exhaust is probably #2 after intake, but that's gonna run you more than a C note. Run 91 octane, that'll cost you less than a hundo for a short period of time

[AleroDrime]

i think a cherrybombs gonna be put on, not real power of anyting but i got a good man to do it

[HazMatt24]

why???

I got a full cat 2.5" with a 40 Series Flowmaster installed for under $300, and that was with tossing the guy a couple bucks for doing right away when I walked in

[AleroDrime]

80 bucks is why withe two dual exit tips

[Misuseofyou]

mmmmm rice. Who brought soya?

[Vinalero]

Dude, forget about the cherry bomb... Do it right or don't do it, you will regret it.

Intake, Bigger Throttle body, higher octane gas, Removing your Catalytic converter*, Push more air in your tires ( check on the side of your tire and look for max pressure, put that much pressure in your 4 tires), new plugs, Removing weight (Ex. Spare tire and Jack, unwanted things in the trunk, etc...)

Those are all little things that will make your car a bit faster, and save you some MPG



*Which will make your car illegal, throw a SES code, but does give some hp for low cost.

[Misuseofyou]

Its been said here that removing your cat will hurt your MPG, and only gain you a tiny bit of HP.

[Vinalero]

Thats not what was said. Gutting your cat will put more restriction in your exhaust and could damage your mpg.

Removing the cat will free some hp, which will reduce slightly the mpg, but will be illegal in terms of emissions.

High flow cat is almost the same as no cat in terms of power.

But the stock cat is more restrictive, and you will see a difference :

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_0610_catalytic_converters/index.html

"The 5hp gained from losing the factory cat for the metallic one is substantial. If the engine were to later receive more extensive mods, the benefits would probably be even greater. What it all boils down to is that a good aftermarket high-flow cat can indeed flow better than a stock unit, and almost as well as a straight pipe. When you can have all the benefits of removing the cat without the risk of getting busted, it's kind of like having your cake and eating it too."

take in consideration that the test car is a Civic, which engine is torqueless. The gains will be different from a car to the other. I'd say bigger or more powerful engine will see bigger gains.

[cherrington17]

loss of backpressure on a stock engine (force induction is different) you car will see negative results

[Vinalero]

Tubing size of the exhaust gives the most of the back pressure + mufflers.

Of course if you run a straight pipe of the same diameter or bigger directly from the exhaust port, you'll see a substancial low end power loss and nothing much in high rpm.

[[ion] C2]

ugh... misinformation

backpressure is not what things are about. it's about maintaining a certain exhaust velocity, to pull out the combustion gases from the engine. exhaust can't be too restrictive, as air won't flow as much. can't be too big, because air will move too slowly.

the ecotec is pretty fast as is16 second cars are so fast! :lol:

enter ion... NOW

http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/
this would be good if he had the 2.4L, I don't have much on the Eco yet.

[AleroDrime]

the boys doing my exhuast for 80 with a cherrybomb are repining it from teh front to the back, split at the very rear, they did my straight 6 on my truck the same way, all other mechanics siad it would make my truck raspy and buzz but in the end it had a nice deep roar to be admired

[AleroDrime]

what are the name and numbers for some good plugs for this motor and what could be gutted other then the spare and jack with out being visually noticable

[Vinalero]

Thx Ion, just didnt know how to explain this :)

[[ion] C2]

NO on the Cherry Bomb. You will regret it. It's a 4 cylinder. Get a Magnaflow or Dynomax Super Turbo (or both, like I have, inline).

Also, it's an engine, not a motor. Engines use fuel and combusion; motors use electricity and magnetism. (Personal peeve, though everyone uses it interchangeably).

What are good plugs? Anything but BOSCH. I only use NGK. NGK TR55 are what you need.

Besides the spare tire and jack, there's nothing you can "gut" without people seeing.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

read an ecotec forum like ecotecpower.com or ecotecforum.com there both pretty useful sites for ecotec specific engines but if your looking to spend less than a $100 you have very little to no options. and like Ion says No Cherry Bombs I have a Magnaflow on mine and I love the way it sounds.

[[ion] C2]

www.j-body.org is one of the best forums to find any information on the 2.2L or 2.4L.

[99alerogirl]

C2;432583']this would be good if he had the 2.4L, I don't have much on the Eco yet.

yeah, noticed that after i posted :banghead:

[digital0129]

Whats with people telling him to buy higher octane fuel? The engine is designed for the lower octane fuel, and going higher will not increase performance, only drain your bank and put stress on the engine. Search the forum for discussions on higher octane for more info.

[CactusWill]

Add stress on the engine?

[Vinalero]

On every car I had, everytime I put higher octane in it, I did more mileage on the same tank of gas. And it did feel more powerful, maybe its just all in my head.

[99alerogirl]

oh no, not this again :No: :No:

[billytheman1188]

oh no, not this again :No: :No:

Ditto:Rage:

[Cliff8928]

C2;432624']
Also, it's an engine, not a motor. Engines use fuel and combusion; motors use electricity and magnetism. (Personal peeve, though everyone uses it interchangeably).

motor |ˈmōtər|
noun
a machine, esp. one powered by electricity or internal combustion, that supplies motive power for a vehicle or for some other device with moving parts.

engine |ˈenjən|
noun
1 a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion.
• a thing that is the agent or instrument of a particular process

pwn3d!

[billytheman1188]

pwn3d!

ouch:ninja:;)

[99alerogirl]

i felt that from over here!

[[ion] C2]

depends on what dictionary you look at. it's a hotly debated subject.

also higher the octane, the higher the resistance to combust.

[AleroDrime]

pwn3d!

thanks ion you got some good anserws and i really appreciate the advice but dissin me for saying motor was a douchbag thing to do

[billytheman1188]

C2;432624']NO on the Cherry Bomb. You will regret it. It's a 4 cylinder. Get a Magnaflow or Dynomax Super Turbo (or both, like I have, inline).

Listen to the man, he knows what hes talking about. Cherry bomb FTL....do it the right way or dont do it at all.


thanks ion you got some good anserws and i really appreciate the advice but dissin me for saying motor was a douchbag thing to do

actually....it wasnt. If you think thats a douchebag thing to do then you havent seen anything yet:lol:

[HazMatt24]

If you think thats a douchebag thing to do then you havent seen anything yet:lol:

yeah, take it from the horse's mouth

[AleroDrime]

anyone got a link to any good plugs?

[xstrong4lifex]

anyone got a link to any good plugs?

HERE.http://tinyurl.com/cuogjn

[HazMatt24]

anyone got a link to any good plugs?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%252BKwqLlC%252BL._SL500_AA280_.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.amazon.com/Doc-Johnson-Anal-Black-Medium/dp/B000LQKAUI&usg=__GsYiB3APKSsCOk-7xd2TdaX9wAI=&h=280&w=280&sz=7&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=4n1NKOudQ5oGUM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3DANAL%2BPLUG%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

[[ion] C2]

dissin me for saying motor was a douchbag thing to do

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/61fps/2008/09/face.jpg

[AleroDrime]

star trek seriously you gotta be older then my father, do mash the gas with your cane?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

star trek seriously you gotta be older then my father, do mash the gas with your cane?

you have lots learn about this site yet... :lol:

[[ion] C2]

and the internet in general

[Valley olds]

[ion] C2What are good plugs? Anything but BOSCH. I only use NGK. NGK TR55 are what you need.

x2 You dont need to get a fancy spark plug to get more power. Copper conducts electricity better than platinum, but will last less. So if you want a better performing plug, go copper. If you want a longer lasting plug, go platinum. Your choice.
As for plug boots, I remember someone saying they ran richer using performance aftermarket boots.
Octane wont really make you much faster either. Unless you were to bring up your compression ratio, or have forced induction, Octane is not something that will help your car.
Overall, cheap mods wont really get you anywhere (thats the reason I haven't done anything on mine). Forced induction is expensive, and other mods (exhaust, CAI, larger throttle body, etc...) need to be done at the same time to reach their full potential. If you were to upgrade your exhaust, sure you will have more exhaust flow, but unless you get the CAI too, you wont see much benefit, because your intake is not bringing in as much air as the exhaust can pull out and vice versa.

[Misuseofyou]

star trek seriously you gotta be older then my father, do mash the gas with your cane?

OH NO YOU DIDN'T

[NickAlero2000]

Alero Racing=Fail :lol:
dont mess with the ionizer :lol:

[AleroDrime]

god lord have mercy:glare:

[kwhauck]

AleroRacing, just google Hahn Racecraft...

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

^ha ha ha ain't the cheapest but that would be pretty sweet if someone did that to there Alero

[Redog]

The only thing this guy is doing successfully is pissing off the smartest guys on the site.

Now I don't know too much about the Eco, but I do know these facts.

Right now the Eco is probably the one of the strongest engines made. The way the bottom end is built, the crank is sandwiched inside the block instead of using main caps like every other engine out there.

It is possible to get 1000 HP from an Eco, but "Cheap" mods just don't exist. That goes for EVERY FUCKING MOTOR OUT THERE. Quality over quanity. Bottom line, you have a great resouce here on Aleromod, use it and stop pissing people off. You can learn from another's guy mistake. If something doesn't work for guy "A" why do you think it's going to work for you? If it don't work, it's not going to work.

Real mods are going to net you the result you want. Sometimes you can get a good mod for cheap, but that's few and far between. I traded a UIM for a 6 pack of beer at ASS, but I got a good deal, that's it, typically it would have cost over $100, plus the money I put into the part myself.

You are bringing a lot of crap on yourself here, man. Abuse the seach button, and if it's not in the seach, ask. Unless you are the kid in the back of the classroom that told the teacher that 2+2=17 and insisted you were right. If you want to learn, listen, you don't know it all. Nobody does ;)

[Midgear]

CHEAP - FAST - RELIABLE

choose two-

[HazMatt24]

ok big red, now maybe this belongs in it's own thread, or maybe it's already out there, but is there a list of recommended mods? Like
1. Intake
2. Cat-Back
3. Headers

obviously, if you were going the boost route it would be a tad different, but does that make sense? I'm sure it would be very useful to newbs and some of us that have been around a while as well to have a generic list of recomended mods in a sorta semi order that makes sense.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

ok big red, now maybe this belongs in it's own thread, or maybe it's already out there, but is there a list of recommended mods? Like
1. Intake
2. Cat-Back
3. Headers

obviously, if you were going the boost route it would be a tad different, but does that make sense? I'm sure it would be very useful to newbs and some of us that have been around a while as well to have a generic list of recomended mods in a sorta semi order that makes sense.
that's a good Idea

[heineck]

im surprised nobody recommended the turbonator to this guy lol

[will176]

or the performance chip.... $10 100+ mpg and 200+ hp... or if he couldn't handle that he could allways get an electric supercharger

[heineck]

Rofl. I saw those electric superchargers he might be interested in a turbo whistle too their like 10 bucks

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

^ or he could roll down the window and stick his head out and go "PISHHHHH" as loud as he can lol :lol:

[heineck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOG6cacj9BI
hahaha

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOG6cacj9BI
hahaha

ha ha ha ha those people are so serious about a deer whistle placed inside there tailpipe :lol:

[AleroDrime]

shove it up your ass for real, im 17 and inschool, sue me for trying to spruce this car up a bit for a little money, i cant pour my life savings in it, becuase i have none yeash im lucky if i can go see a movie after i fill the tank twice(or once the way it was this summer) some of ya'll r help full and i beleive ive expressed thanks to those of you, but as for the overall majority your dicks

[billytheman1188]

you have lots learn about this site yet... :lol:


see that quote aleroracing.......keep that in mind everytime you get all upset over little comments. Go look at what marc said to me in the osv kit for sale thread..... did i say "that was a douche bag thing to do" or "the majority of you are dicks".....................no. so stop whining and grow a pair. The reason people are laughing at you is cause 1.) you said your ecotec is already fast (no alero is fast) 2.) you get offended on the INTERNET. calm down:beerchug:

[billytheman1188]

shove it up your ass for real

fo real fo real dogggg:coolio:

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Man relax we're just giving you the Aleromod treatment I even get it, lots of guys get it too some that dish it out used to get it too.
We're all here to just have fun, b.s each other, and talk about Alero's.

[billytheman1188]

some that dish it out used to get it too.


*cough* me *cough*

no.....i still get it:ninja::emotlol:

[Bad99Olds]

shove it up your ass for real, im 17 and inschool, sue me for trying to spruce this car up a bit for a little money, i cant pour my life savings in it, becuase i have none yeash im lucky if i can go see a movie after i fill the tank twice(or once the way it was this summer) some of ya'll r help full and i beleive ive expressed thanks to those of you, but as for the overall majority your dinks

put your big boy panties on and relax. this is an internet forum, your going to get flamed. There are very few things that are considered low cost mods. Mods cost coin. You can do plugs and wires, a new intake, heads, and an exhaust. Even that gets pricey. Fast, cheap, reliable. Pic 2.

[billytheman1188]

"you want cheap why dont you hit wal mart

you want an adreline rush.....it'll cost too much":emotlol:

and since everyone else is saying this in 1 thread.....
fast, cheap, reliable pick 2

[Bad99Olds]

you should be steralized, so you cant reproduce.

[xstrong4lifex]

:haha:

[HazMatt24]

"you want cheap why dont you hit wal mart

you want an adreline rush.....it'll cost too much"

if' you're gonna try to pull off a F&F line, at least stay away from the girls lines

[billytheman1188]

if' you're gonna try to pull off a F&F line, at least stay away from the girls lines

hahahaha, that part was hilarious:lol::lol: "another one bites the dust" and then the dude gets smoked

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

LMAO :lol:

[billytheman1188]

^:lol::lol:
rice vs muscle.......whos going to win!?:ninja:

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I just added a big list of Links for Ecotec parts in the Everything Ecotec thread perhaps that can help you AleroRacing.

[Misuseofyou]

put your big boy panties on and relax. this is an internet forum, your going to get flamed.

Yeah, no sense getting angry right?

[Bad99Olds]

Yeah, no sense getting angry right?

theres a difference between getting flamed for being new/nieve, and having some canadian douche starting shit. :)

Have a nice day.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

theres a difference between getting flamed for being new/nieve, and having some canadian douche starting shit. :)

Have a nice day.

Those are fighting word's :gun: :dink: :drunk:

[AleroDrime]

I just added a big list of Links for Ecotec parts in the Everything Ecotec thread perhaps that can help you AleroRacing.

thanks i saw that yeash i like being quicker then average but i dont want a race car, cant afford the repair costs for that, sue me

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

thanks i saw that yeash i like being quicker then average but i dont want a race car, cant afford the repair costs for that, sue me

yeah it's a hard world when it comes to modding, trust me I got a G35 driver on a local forum telling me not to mod my Alero. my best advice is to ignore everyone and go with what you feel would be best cause there not the ones driving it you are, same goes with what you spend your money on it's not there money your spending it's yours.