This Is For Mfuller

[jeremythebear]

I have found that the sway bars have stiffened up the body roll quite a bit but with the eibachs and KYB struts G2 or GR2 ( not sure ), I am not quite content. I find the body roll still happens in the beginning of the curve when either the struts or springs should take that out but as the curve deepens the sway bars and eibachs kick in and keep it tight but then when I try to push it I find that the body roll starts again and the lack of confidence in the suspension kicks in and I end up easing up. I would rather not change the eibachs as I am not into lowering for appearance sake and I cannot change the sway bars as no one else makes them. Are a more performance enhanced strut my next option - Is that worth the dough? If so what is good? Would it also increase the comfort level in normal driving as well as performance driving? Will it contain the bottoming out feeling of a reasonable jolt and take away the pogoing of the springs. Thanks.

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[mfuller]

If you want maximize the performance of your suspension, you need adjustable dampers. This way, you can tune (via an external knob) how stiff, or better yet, how the damper controls the oscillation of the spring. I love my Koni dampers, and can tune them anywhere from a Cadillac ride to M3-stiff. It'll cost you though; they need to be fabricated from a set of cores. Supply a set of 4 struts to Paul at Koni North America, and he can build you a set like mine for about $700US.

The swaybars came with polyurethane bushings, but did you replace your front endlinks with Energy Suspension pieces? They take out a bit of mush also.

[flalero]

^^^Everything he said plus...changing out to a stiffer spring. I know you said you don't want to do this, but it's cheaper than buying those adjustable struts. I had Eibachs on my GA and I noticed almost no difference in the ride from stock. I have the Springtech springs on my Alero now, and the handling improved a hundred times. I have very little body roll. Also, you could install STB's. This will not reduce body roll, rather, it will reduce body flex, which you could be interpreting as body roll.

[smokinAMD]

Originally posted by flalero@Jun 16 2004, 10:40 PM
^^^Everything he said plus...changing out to a stiffer spring. I know you said you don't want to do this, but it's cheaper than buying those adjustable struts. I had Eibachs on my GA and I noticed almost no difference in the ride from stock. I have the Springtech springs on my Alero now, and the handling improved a hundred times. I have very little body roll. Also, you could install STB's. This will not reduce body roll, rather, it will reduce body flex, which you could be interpreting as body roll.
Read his sig, he has STB's.

I'm riding with Intrax springs, KYB GR2 struts, and PFYC STB's and it seems pretty stiff to me. Don't know if I'll ever replace the sway bars, maybe once I get a job that pays more then $2.13 an hour....

[Final-Reality]

Originally posted by smokinAMD@Jun 17 2004, 12:54 AM
Read his sig, he has STB's.
It says right in jeremy's sig "Eibach Springs with KYB struts".

Eibach springs are progressive-rate springs, which means they get stiffer the more they're compressed. Which could be part of the reason why you say it rolls quite a bit at the start of the turn, when you start turning and the springs are un-compressed, their spring rate is just as soft as the stock alero. Once you enter the turn and they load up, though, their spring rate starts to increase; so they don't do the best job at killing body roll in corners, but they are definately a good compromise for someone looking for a slightly lower ride without sacrificing any ride quality under normal driving.

[jeremythebear]

The swaybars came with polyurethane bushings, but did you replace your front endlinks with Energy Suspension pieces? They take out a bit of mush also.
I haven't, so that will definitely be done.
Also Matt would you ever change your eibachs or with adjustable dampers is that basically a mute point?
I will search for energy suspension but if you have any web links....

Eibach springs are progressive-rate springs, which means they get stiffer the more they're compressed. Which could be part of the reason why you say it rolls quite a bit at the start of the turn, when you start turning and the springs are un-compressed, their spring rate is just as soft as the stock alero. Once you enter the turn and they load up, though, their spring rate starts to increase; so they don't do the best job at killing body roll in corners, but they are definately a good compromise for someone looking for a slightly lower ride without sacrificing any ride quality under normal driving.
I do need some of the ride quality as driving 4000k a month means lots of bumps

Thanks and if you guys have any more thoughts please add as one can never be too informed.

I think there was some confusion with STB's as flalero meant strut tower braces which I do have.