WAI to CAI mod

[AleroDrime]

Ok, I'm looking at my Cosmo and comparing it to the picture of a K&N CAI, the big difference seems to me to be the box trapping cold air from the "Air Duct"

That seems like a pretty easy thing to replicate, given all the space in that area.

Has anyone tried making one before or is any member making a peice like this to sell or is interested?

I'm thinking it might be possible to cut up the factory filter box to trap the air around it, but i don't wanna cut up my factory box, as if by some odd twist of fate I need to put that system back on again.

I'm afraid of fiber glassing, especially in an engine compartment so Im not sure about how to make a home made one.

Currently I have screwed that curved piece of pipe from the factory duct into where it just slid in, becuase it makes it end right by the filter, I did this on the theory it would dump that cold air by the filter and be sucked in.

[[ion] C2]

:wacko:

Connect another elbow of intake tube to make the filter be located in the fenderwell... cold air intake.. done.

[AtomicX]

.....(sigh)
http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/performance/engine/ld9-24l-twin-cam-2/air-intake/how-to-makeinstall-a-cai

[AleroDrime]

Incase I was unclear about what I mean

[PappaSmurf]

Dude,
This is another one of your eff ups. Please try and explain into DETAIL what the hell you are trying to say, or provide pictures with your post. That way maybe some one can decipher what you are truly saying.

However; from what I have read, no this is not the same thing. Your filter would still be in the engine bay collecting warm air, just not as much if you were to have the 'heat shield' attached to the filter.
-Smurf-

[AleroDrime]

not as much is a big difference

I can't see figure out where ya'll are actually putting the filter at in the relocation method

[AtomicX]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2m6wdcp.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2h3pjyt.jpg

[AleroDrime]

drime, how much air gets there and how do you get the bumper off, (cars at the shop with the ball joint, so i can't run outside and look

[PappaSmurf]

In the trunk of the car... Read the eff'ing link Atomicx provided...WORD FOR WORD!
-Smurf-

[[ion] C2]

Also you don't have to take off the bumper... lol I never did. Makes things a lot easier though.

[worknprog.99]

just take out the headlight it gives you access to the big space thats available in the fender well... i have one now it works great. althought it will be gone when the turbo is completed;)

[AleroDrime]

In the trunk of the car... Read the eff'ing link Atomicx provided...WORD FOR WORD!
-Smurf-

I did, i didnt understand it, please if you not gonna be helpful, do not read my threads, i dont wanna put you on a ignore list bc you have poste useful things to other members

[AleroDrime]

how much air goes through there and how safe is it from the elements, i honestly saw your setup like this in teh searches, but though my idea might be easier

[AtomicX]

http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/_/rsrc/1214270657257/performance/engine/ld9-24l-twin-cam-2/air-intake/aem_air_bypass_hero.jpg?height=200&width=192

TAKEN WORD FOR WORD FROM

http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/performance/engine/ld9-24l-twin-cam-2/air-intake

Bypass Valve
If you're afraid that, with your cold air intake setup, you will inadvertently suck up water and hydrolock your engine, you can purchase the AEM Bypass Valve for peace of mind. What happens is when water begins to suck up the intake piping, the bypass valve opens from sensing the added vacuum, and allows the intake air to be supplied from the engine bay until the cold air intake's filter area is out of water.

Realize that in order to suck up water into your engine, the end of the intake piping must be completely submerged in a pool of water and remain there long enough for it to suck up a massive amount through the piping into the engine. So if you regularly drive through 1.5 feet of water, this is for you.

[AleroDrime]

i was just reading that, but how much air goes through there

[AtomicX]

i was just reading that, but how much air goes through there
What do you mean how much air?
Short ram...(Filter can be seen under the hood) takes the air that the engine gives off, which is warm, hence warm air. By having it near the fender it sucks cool air from the outside.

[PappaSmurf]

Aleroracing,
you putting me on your ignore list isn't going to bother anybody but you. Maybe if you would read the postings UNTIL YOU DID understand them, you wouldn't get flamed as much as you do.
-Smurf-

[AleroDrime]

well the filter currently is receiving air from the engine compartment and air coming through the duct, i havent seen the workings of the duct or paid enough attention to it to know at the moment, where and how air enter into it at, but i want to know if more air comes into there (like is there an ample even steady air current through there?)

[worknprog.99]

yes the bumper. it will sit right behind the foglight

[[ion] C2]

Dude the difference is minimal. WAI, CAI, it all gets heated up when it travels through the piping into the manifold and into the head anyway.

[AleroDrime]

ok so its not gonna be worth doing?

[[ion] C2]

No. CAI just sounds better and gets slightly cooler air. The difference is so minimal it's not worth it if you're looking for extra performance...

[AleroDrime]

well i figured with the way i did the duct i wouldnt be alot of difference, but i wanted to find out if that idea was viable, cuase i wanted to try

[heineck]

aleroracing ur looking for numbers. How much air? Thats not the point its the temperature of the air coming in thats important but as ion stated its gonna get heated up before the intake manifold and by the time it hits the head, its gonna be hot, so theres really not that big of a difference, theres gunna be a gain but its minimal. if the amount of air is what your looking for thats forced induction, but ur not ready for that yet.

[PappaSmurf]

Yes he is...Come on Heineck. You already opened the can of beans, you might as well tell the poor kid how to do it. LOL
-Smurf-

[AleroDrime]

i know what forced induction is, and i dont plan on doing that, im improving my engine with minimal things to make it slightly better i could afford doing this, now on my skylark project i may toy with the plans of a supercharged 350 in a 1970 skylark

[Ghadsphi]

I got a question... guessing a couple people want to know it but asked in round about ways. If I have a wai, funnel/dam air to the filter, is it worth it? Or is the air velocity determined by the filter? Which obviously would seem the limiting factor.
Also the main factor of a wai and cai seems to be removing the restrictive intake. So something like a cooled intake tube would probably add more weight than the hp gain, unless you're like me and going to win 75 mil cash (after I split the 150 cash with my wife) next week.
But basically with an oiled filter you're gunna dry it out hella quick if you say port both your fogs through 2 foot tubesinto a cai or wai dam/funnel even with a blow off to keep it from imploding them right?

[Spilner521]

In theory, the air coming into a CAI would be measurably cooler than the air from a short ram under the hood, and it gets sucked into the engine so fast that it's not going to heat up a substantial amount before it gets to the engine. With that said, also realize that the engine bay is not sealed air tight. This is not the most amazing aerodyamic car we're talking about here. It's easy for fresh air to get under the hood and circulate around the engine bay.

Honestly, you probably won't feel any difference between a CAI and short ram, and in all seriousness, it's only an air intake. No huge power gains to be had here.

[worknprog.99]

go turbo!!!
if you want more horse power do that.
if you want minimal performance and sound just stick with what you have.

[AleroDrime]

ill go turbo, if someone donates the parts, and physically helps me install in on the automatic

[Redog]

I run WAI on the street and CAI on the track.

I do not take off my bumper and go in thru the headlight hole as well.

Of course I run my CAI wide open, no fog light and no fender liner. Tested it at the track, chops 1/2 second of my ET :eek: Mitch can verify, (first points day)

[AleroDrime]

A half second is pretty considerable

[Bad99Olds]

A half second is pretty considerable

thats what your gf said

[MattismodderX]

ill go turbo, if someone donates the parts, and physically helps me install in on the automatic


LOL lets all throw down to pay for a turbo for him!! :lol:


thats what your gf said

:haha: :haha:

[AleroDrime]

LOL lets all throw down to pay for a turbo for him!! :lol:




:haha: :haha:

cool make checks and money orders payable to my pop Craig Dudley

for purpose put AleroRacings Turbo Fund

could be a tax write off

[Daytona]

I run WAI on the street and CAI on the track.

I do not take off my bumper and go in thru the headlight hole as well.

Of course I run my CAI wide open, no fog light and no fender liner. Tested it at the track, chops 1/2 second of my ET :eek: Mitch can verify, (first points day)

^True dat. BIG difference between CAI and WAI at the track. A bit of a PITA, though, when swapping back to WAI for the ride home.

And congrats again, Ken, for making it to the Quarter-Finals on Sunday. :cool: