Motorsport Technology wheel spacers

[mrmike]

Just got these installed. Very high quality craftsmanship, fully hubcentric, everything went on better than factory. 25mm, got them from motorsport-tech.com in San Bernardino, CA. Great communication and fast delivery.
Before:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/before.jpg

The spacers (with hubcentric rings)
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/spacer.jpg

After
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/afterfront.jpg

From behind
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/afterrear.jpg

Highly recommend this to push the rear wheels out far enough to match the front. Technically 20mm would be perfect, but I wanted them out a little more.

[jackal2000]

nice!

[pimpalero2003]

Looks good!!

[Oldsman]

basically the same as what i have. looks good

[rustyballs_69]

Very nice!

[colonel6632]

if you use those... and have alot of people in the back i notice my back wheels start tucking in... would that cause rubbing problems with anything>

[sh8dybizness]

That looks good man but remember that wheel spacers add stress to the studs and will wear them out.

[jackal2000]

That looks good man but remember that wheel spacers add stress to the studs and will wear them out.

GAH! the hub bears the weight of the car, not the studs.

[[ion] C2]

baller

Added to Aleromod Upgrades (http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/exterior/wheels).

[Trickyslick]

That looks sweet nice job and good looking stance.

[Nate's Alero]

( burns voice) excellent!

[Valley olds]

Looks nice. I like that style of wheel. I just have a question though:

If the tire is sticking out a little more, do rocks or pebbles fly off the tire and run a higher risk of hitting the sides of your car, thus scratching the paint? I have seen that the Nissan 350Z has kind of like little mudflaps. I think Kwhauck also has some in his car. I am guessing this is to prevent that issue?

[knuckleballer32]

how much of a difference does the wheel centric make for the ride? I am interested in getting the spacers but I plan on getting rims eventually.

[mrmike]

Thanks for all the comments! As for the rubbing/ stone flinging questions, it does rub when I hit a large bump or turn on a bumpy corner. I think this has more to do with my worn out suspension because it only rubs on the driver side. Haven't loaded it up with fatties just yet, but I think it would rub. It does have the possibility of catching stones because they do stick outside the wheelwell, but the problem is bugs on the highway catching the lip and being spun into gooey strings. You can get stock mudflaps for aleros, so that would probably be a solution. Not my style though, I never drive on gravel or loose stone roads.

[KenshinZero]

( burns voice) excellent!

Like the voice in Mortal Kombat?

looks good.

[leoalero]

looks good and BTW,nice car!

[jabartram]

i've got the same thing from http://www.skulte.com/ but the place you got them is less expensive.

looks like skulte is not doing custom spacers anymore.

[sh8dybizness]

GAH! the hub bears the weight of the car, not the studs.

When you add spacers, you are moving the wheel out further onto the stud therefore adding stress to them. You're not bolting wheels onto the hub, you're bolting them onto the studs, which in turn are held by the hub, not the other way around.

Edit, you're not riding on the hub, you're riding on the tires. What do you really think is bearing the weight of the car?

[jabartram]

off topic question, but what are the pieces attached below the front of your car?

[sh8dybizness]

If your talking about the plastic piece attached to the bumper I think it's called an air dam.

[jackal2000]

When you add spacers, you are moving the wheel out further onto the stud therefore adding stress to them. You're not bolting wheels onto the hub, you're bolting them onto the studs, which in turn are held by the hub, not the other way around.

Edit, you're not riding on the hub, you're riding on the tires. What do you really think is bearing the weight of the car?

umm no. the hub bears the weight of the car and studs merely hold the wheel on. that's why he needed...dadadadada HUB CENTRIC RINGS.

[sh8dybizness]

:bs: Look it up. The studs hold the majority of the vehicle's weight!

[dragon8807]

looks good

[mrmike]

Yeah the hub supports the weight of the car, but the lugs keep it tight and also receive some of the force . This isn't always the case, some cars are lugcentric meaning the lugs totally support the weight. The hubcentric rings are only for my aftermarket rims, the stock wheels would bolt up without the need for the rings.

[jackal2000]

:bs: Look it up. The studs hold the majority of the vehicle's weight!


CENTER BORE DIAMETER
The center bore diameter is the size of the center hole at the back of the wheel. This hole centers the wheel on the hub of the car and is machined to match the wheel hub exactly. This design allows precise positioning which reduces the chance of vibration. With this hub-centric system, the lug hardware does not support the weight of the vehicle, but merely presses the wheel against the hub of the car.

http://www.fastco.ca/content/view/40/64/lang,en/


:eek:

[[ion] C2]

^:lol:

[Vic28]

Mrmike, what is the the offset and width on the wheels?

[sh8dybizness]

If that's what you want to believe then go ahead, but trust me, do you really think the studs are there to simply 'press' the wheel onto the car? Now I know why there's more maintenance talk than anything else here!

[[ion] C2]

Lugnuts are for attaching wheels to the vehicle (preventing them from falling off outwardly, not supporting the weight of each corner vertically). The large "hub" in the center of the assembly is what the wheel's centerbore slides over. Notice that the wheel's center and the hub are, stock, tightly against each other, allowing the force exerted on the wheel to be transferred to the hub assembly via the centerbore. This is the ideal method. Using aftermarket wheels sometimes yields wider centerbores than stock, requiring the use of hubcentric rings to tightly fasten the wheel to the center hub so the weight is distributed to the hub via the wheel centerbore, allowing for zero vibration risk and maximum strength.

Our hub/wheel assemblies are designed from the factory to be hub-centric. Although other manufacturers may use lug-centric designs, ours is hub.

[jackal2000]

If that's what you want to believe then go ahead, but trust me, do you really think the studs are there to simply 'press' the wheel onto the car? Now I know why there's more maintenance talk than anything else here!

keep smoking that california chronic.

[Nate's Alero]

keep smoking that california chronic.

^ :lol: ^

[hok666]

there websites not working for me :( how much??

[[ion] C2]

Looked like $220ish when I went through their menus.

[Nate's Alero]

not horrible, how would it look with stockers?

[mrmike]

Mrmike, what is the the offset and width on the wheels?
They are 18x8 with a +35mm offset. In order to get the same offset without using the wheel spacers, I would have had to find a wheel with +10 offset.
C2;469637']Looked like $220ish when I went through their menus.
It would come to $145 for the two (in America. Canada gets raped on the exchange rate, shipping and border fees), select wheel adapters -> one piece -> hubcentric

[kwhauck]

not a fan.......staggered looks like that are for RWD cars....

[mrmike]

They aren't staggered they are the same wheels front and back.

[heineck]

keep smoking that california chronic.

chronic? ewwww hahaha

[dhurst765]

i've got the same thing from http://www.skulte.com/ but the place you got them is less expensive.

looks like skulte is not doing custom spacers anymore.

there is a shop in lafayette that has them for $25 eachfor a 2 inch spacer

[kwhauck]

They aren't staggered they are the same wheels front and back.

If you read what I wrote I said the staggered look, meaning your rear wheels are set out farther than your front wheels, you are trying to make it look like a RWD car, which is stupid IMO....unless you are doing an OSV replica, like oldsman, and even then I think GM made a bad decision.....

[mrmike]

They aren't farther out than the fronts really. Without spacers the front wheels were flush with the fender lip, while the rears were so far into the wheelwell that they would tuck with air ride. This didn't look good because it made the rear look lower than the front and it made the wheel gap look uneven. When the sun shone on the wheels, it looked weird because there was always a shadow over the rears. Besides, this setup is not unique to RWD cars. Early 2000's Mustangs have the same inset rears, while most new FWD cars have equal offsets with their fenders. Aparently auto manufactures push the rear wheels in to reduce understeer, which is most common on FWD cars.

mustang RWD: rear wheels farther in, very simular to Aleros
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/mustang.jpg

G6 FWD, wheels match offsets to fenders
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/g6.jpg

Now I know what you are saying, you can see more of the tread on the rears, but this is because the front fenders are straight up and down, while the rear fenders curve in at the bottom.
here you can see that they are at different angles:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/fenders.jpg

Its okay if you don't like it though. Oh p.s. The staggered look has nothing to do with how far the wheel sticks out, it is all about having a rear wheel that is wider than the front, usually with a huge lip.

[Cliff8928]

If you read what I wrote I said the staggered look, meaning your rear wheels are set out farther than your front wheels, you are trying to make it look like a RWD car, which is stupid IMO....unless you are doing an OSV replica, like oldsman, and even then I think GM made a bad decision.....

Hah, maybe you'd like my Beretta with the front wheels out farther (with bigger tires).

[kwhauck]

Hah, maybe you'd like my Beretta with the front wheels out farther (with bigger tires).

yes i would!!! just like my alero with 255s in the front and 235s in the rear........

[kwhauck]

They aren't farther out than the fronts really. Without spacers the front wheels were flush with the fender lip, while the rears were so far into the wheelwell that they would tuck with air ride. This didn't look good because it made the rear look lower than the front and it made the wheel gap look uneven. When the sun shone on the wheels, it looked weird because there was always a shadow over the rears. Besides, this setup is not unique to RWD cars. Early 2000's Mustangs have the same inset rears, while most new FWD cars have equal offsets with their fenders. Aparently auto manufactures push the rear wheels in to reduce understeer, which is most common on FWD cars.




G6 FWD, wheels match offsets to fenders


Now I know what you are saying, you can see more of the tread on the rears, but this is because the front fenders are straight up and down, while the rear fenders curve in at the bottom.
here you can see that they are at different angles:


Its okay if you don't like it though. Oh p.s. The staggered look has nothing to do with how far the wheel sticks out, it is all about having a rear wheel that is wider than the front, usually with a huge lip.

I know what the alero fenders look like, As far as i know only me and oldsman are running 255 tires in the front, and I was the first to run a small offset wheel to appropriatly squeeze those 255s....and BTW the fronts are straight up and down either, if you are really at the edge of the fender, they will stick out at the bottom an inch or so.....

the g6 has a different body flow so it is comparing apples to oranges, i will give you the mustang, it is similar but that is also stock, I am talking about aftermarket here where you choose to push out the rear, like most mustang people and other RWD owners push out the rear wheels, and yes they usually use an actual staggered fitment with 8 or 9 in wide rims in the front and rear in excess of 10 in wide, but by you adding spacers to the rear, wether intentional or not.....you are mimicking the staggered look, which is meant for RWD vehicles....

it's like putting a FMIC looking intake in your car when you are not turboed, you are mimicking a look which you can't back up....

but like you said, i don't like and you do, that's what matters.....

p.s. i'm not the only one with this opinin, do a google search for "FWD staggered" and read the forum results you turn up....

[Valley olds]

I was seing how mrmike said that adding rear spacer will give you a little understeer. Is this really the case? I have heard that for handling, a little understeer is better than neutral.

[Cliff8928]

understeer is not necessarily better, but it's "safe"

[Valley olds]

"Safe" as in its not as easy to lose control of the car? Sorry Im a total noob when it comes to understeer oversteer and that kind of stuff.

[Cliff8928]

Exactly.. You're less likely to have something bad happen. You lose traction with either under or oversteer. But correcting understeer is something that most people could do. If you don't know what to do with oversteer, worse things could happen.

For example, if you have understeer you can usually get control back of the car by correcting your steering (turn into the skid), or slowing down a little bit.

With oversteer, if you overcorrect by say turning the wheel too far and braking you could potentially snap the rear of the car all the way back around the other way even worse than you started.

One of the things that is a little unique with oversteer with FWD is that you can correct it by accelerating if the conditions are right.

[Valley olds]

Thanks for that awesome explanation. That really shed some light into this subject for me.

[Spilner521]

Hah, maybe you'd like my Beretta with the front wheels out farther (with bigger tires).
That's how a FWD staggered setup is supposed to be, same with kwhauck's car too :thumb:

[Atmosphere]

So if you used spacers to put the front and rear wheels in line with the fenders, it wouldn't be considered a staggered look, right?

[irondiezl3]

looks alot better

[Spilner521]

So if you used spacers to put the front and rear wheels in line with the fenders, it wouldn't be considered a staggered look, right?
Right.

Usually that's what you shoot for with aftermarket wheels, to choose the right width and offset wheels so they come out and sit flush with the fender. You can still stagger the tire sizes, but the rear wheels won't stick out further than the fronts and vice versa.

[Spilner521]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/afterfront.jpg

If you're taking a picture to show how flush the wheels are, usually you keep the wheels straight so you can tell. It does look good, but because you can't tell how flush the front wheels are, it looks like the rears stick out further, giving the car that staggered look.

[Nate's Alero]

now, can you place wider wheels on the car with the spacers? i want to do 275's on mine

[kwhauck]

why do you want 275s?

[Nate's Alero]

why do you want 275s?

haha, bit of an understatement, i want like 255's, they look good, i LOVE the wide tire look

[Spilner521]

If you want wide wheels and tires, you get wheels with the right offset so you don't need spacers.

[kwhauck]

like me.......255s on a 17x8 +32 offset......is perfect.....

[mrmike]

If you're taking a picture to show how flush the wheels are, usually you keep the wheels straight so you can tell
I wasn't taking the pic for the spacers, its just a general photo. Anyways, it is really hard to find a set of normal wheels that would have the proper offset. My 8" wheels have the equivalent of +35mm front and +10 rear. You could do it, but it would usually mean buying more expensive rims, plus you would be limited to very few choices.

[Spilner521]

like me.......255s on a 17x8 +32 offset......is perfect.....
Yes :thumb:
I wasn't taking the pic for the spacers, its just a general photo. Anyways, it is really hard to find a set of normal wheels that would have the proper offset. My 8" wheels have the equivalent of +35mm front and +10 rear. You could do it, but it would usually mean buying more expensive rims, plus you would be limited to very few choices.
What are "normal" wheels?

I agree, you'd pay an arm and a leg for staggered wheels in custom offsets like that. The spacers make the car look good, just take a shot with the front wheels straight so you can tell that both front and rear sit flush with the fenders.

BTW, thanks for posting about these and providing a link :thumb: I'll be getting some 28mm spacers from them for my stock wheels for winter, that way they sit flush with the fenders like my new ones do.

[kwhauck]

here is a pic of my front 255 tire on said 17x8 +32 offset, it is perfect....

[hok666]

damm thats nice

[mrmike]

What are "normal" wheels?
I guess you could say normal means cheaper, instock wheels. Some places don't stock the weird offset ones, but will order them. There are wheels out there that cost more per rim than all my rims and tires together, so yeah I have normal aftermarket rims.

[Nate's Alero]

like me.......255s on a 17x8 +32 offset......is perfect.....

awesome..... do they stick out much?

[kwhauck]

no they are perfectly lined up on the front fender.......

[Nate's Alero]

no they are perfectly lined up on the front fender.......

haha, i skimmed, they look epic

[hok666]

I just noticed what is that thing below your front bumper, an extra bumper?

[Nate's Alero]

I just noticed what is that thing below your front bumper, an extra bumper?

:blink:

[Th0r]

Goo, I'm not the only one seeing that. What the hell is it? It almost looks photoshoped on, haha. :p

[hok666]

^no shxt I thought it was but then I looked at another pic and it was still there haha

[Valley olds]

hok666: I just noticed what is that thing below your front bumper, an extra bumper?


Its the air dam. His stock plastic one broke and his front end was too high without it.

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23535&highlight=alero

Post #9

[meadus101]

Its the air dam. His stock plastic one broke and his front end was too high without it.

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23535&highlight=alero

Post #9


It's also the sexiest mod I've ever seen, and I want it so so bad.

[hok666]

cool thanks for esplaining...