Coupe turbo project

[Caboose73]

Well i decided to make a thread in the showcase so i can have a full time line of my build for everyone to see and comment on.Well my build wouldnt be half of what it is without the help from Marcus(OEM) over on j-body (Very good guy to do business with).Hes the one doing my engine build and alot of other custom goodies down the road.The start of this crazy build is a 1999 2.4L coupe that i bought from tr4v1sf so on to the pics.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/My%20baby/0523091406a.jpg The day i picked it up
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/My%20baby/0524090630b.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/My%20baby/0524090630a.jpgFinally got it off the trailer at my house

Now to the good stuff the engine rebuild which includes:
9.1 Wiesco Pistons
2.3 Oil Pump
P&P Head
Bore 20 Over
SS valves (1mm over)
LMZ stage 2 cams Valve Lift INTAKE 260* - 377 EXHAUST 268* - 375
Bronze Valves Guides
Machine Block for 2.3
Rebuild Head
Boil Block
Arp Main bolts
Arp Head studs
Stiffer mantapart springs
Eagle Forged Rods
Cometic Head gasket

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4240176.jpg All the parts laid out
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4240183-1.jpg Head gasket
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4240187-1.jpg .20 over bore 9:1comp Wiseco pistons
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4240191-1.jpg Eagle H beam rods
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4240193-1.jpg LMZ stage 2 cams Valve Lift INTAKE 260* - 377 EXHAUST 268* - 375
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4240203-1.jpg 1mm over sized valves
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4240204-1.jpg New springs

[Caboose73]

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P3220029.jpg Spare LD9
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P3220062.jpg Dirty dirty head
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P3220064.jpg Just a little dirty
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http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P4280001.jpg Oil pan modified for the 2.3 oil pump
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P5080024.jpg Finished pan with my oil drain bung welded on
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http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P7010118.jpgHead back from being P&P


I should have pics of the block up this weekend :yahoo:

[kwhauck]

honestly with all the work you are putting into the motor your cams seem pretty weak sauce to me......

[-Alero-]

maybe he wants drivability?

[Nate's Alero]

caint wait to help you install this bad boy! got new HL's for the coupe yet?

[[ion] C2]

honestly with all the work you are putting into the motor your cams seem pretty weak sauce to me......

LZM Stage 2 are amazing according to those who have 'em

[kwhauck]

maybe compared to stock, but overall, the numbers just seem fairly weak, I would expect something in the 500 plus range for lift.....

[worknprog.99]

well the title says "turbo coupe project".. maybe this stuff is building up to hold massivee turbo boost?

[Caboose73]

ya this is going to be my dd so i didnt want an extreme cam so i found a middle ground between the secret cams and w41

[jrim]

Cool, lookin forward to seein a final project out of this, looks like this project has some major potential.

[kwhauck]

i hated having the alero as a project and dd, it is so much easier when alero is just a project and if it's down i don't have to worry about getting to and from places.......

[Caboose73]

i hated having the alero as a project and dd, it is so much easier when alero is just a project and if it's down i don't have to worry about getting to and from places.......

its not my dd now but it will be when im done

[Caboose73]

Well i think i might change my mind and go with the M62 insted of a turbo

[kwhauck]

why? funds short?

[worknprog.99]

yes why?! turbo is way better

[kwhauck]

yes why?! turbo is way better

i wouldn't go that far.....

[Alerosaint]

Good luck with the manifold for the 62

[Caboose73]

Funds are fine i was just brain storming ideas and i might go with the M62.The manifold wont be a problem and id like to have instant boost i still have to look into the max hp out put of the M62 before i got making any definite choices.Id like to here peoples thoughts on it but i dont want to hear "turbos are way better cause i like them" id like FACTS im shooting for 350-400whp with full suporting mods like meth injection,3inch exhaust,a/w h/e,stand alone,suspension & drive train upgrades.

[adam337]

why not just get both?

[kwhauck]

stand alone suspension? as in you don't have to hold them, don't they always stand alone...:lol:

also if you are doing a hEaton with a custom manifold why not look into different blowers? whipple i may suggest..:scpimp: so much more effecient and they thrive on high boost, think 18-25psi....

also please no matter what blower you use, try to integrate a w2a intercooler before you resort to meth injection..

also look into e85 tuning, race gas for pump gas price :yahoo:

[Spilner521]

Instant boost = instant wheel spin (ask Ion what he thinks). You'll easily hit 400whp on a fully built engine with a fast spooling turbo like a GT3071R or 3076R. I would stick with the turbo, but that's just me. More efficient, easier to intercool, more power potential, easy to turn up the boost.

Turbos are not way better cuz I like them, I like them cuz they're way better :thumb:

[kwhauck]

i don't want to get into an arguement, but there are ways around the supercharger instant wheel spin.....

[Caboose73]

Is the M62 as bad as the MP45 cause the M62 will be off of a cobalt and i thought that charger was alright? and there was supposed to be a , in between stand alone and suspension lol i also forgot to say id be running a cobra h/e with the M62 so there would be a w/a h/e

[Spilner521]

i don't want to get into an arguement, but there are ways around the supercharger instant wheel spin.....
Yeah I know, but the turbo is it's own way around instant wheel spin. You don't have to do anything else besides control the boost :thumb:
Is the M62 as bad as the MP45 cause the M62 will be off of a cobalt and i thought that charger was alright?
As bad in what way?

[Caboose73]

i know the MP45 maxes out at like 9-10psi and heats up alot.Does the M62 heat up as bad?

[NickAlero2000]

i know the MP45 maxes out at like 9-10psi and heats up alot.Does the M62 heat up as bad?

The MP62 is intercooler capable, so it can be brought up to over 10. I know that some stage 3 cobalts running upwards of 15 with no issues.

[Spilner521]

It can push more air and boost pressure than the M45, but yes, it'll still heat up quite a bit. There's a reason they call them hEatons...

If you're using a water-air intercooler, that will work fine. I don't think you'll get anything close to your 400whp goal out of that supercharger though.

[Caboose73]

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The block is going to be painted black and im just going to stick with a turbo but what should i do about the lifters? I completely over looked them and need a good option im going to be revving around 7200ish.

[Caboose73]

Block sand blasted and ready for paint :yahoo: :yahoo:

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Black powder coating
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[01OldsAleroGt]

damn that bitch be lookin sexy so far.. keep up on the updates man

[Caboose73]

Wanted to know everyones thoughts on Borg Warner/ Holset turbos,ive been reading about them over on j-body and other car forums and they seem to be a good turbo to use and alot cheaper then Garret turbos.

[[ion] C2]

They're awesome. spyhunter is going to be using a nice big BorgWarner for his new setup, and many many people have had great success with the cost effectiveness of a good sized Holset or BorgWarner unit.
Instant boost = instant wheel spin (ask Ion what he thinks).
I think instant power to the ground is fine, you just need to know how to manage the throttle. It just seems to be easier to launch without spinning the wheels with a turbo.
i don't want to get into an arguement, but there are ways around the supercharger instant wheel spin.....
Like knowing how far to push the pedal.

[worknprog.99]

i gotta ask where are the funds for this project coming from? i want in on the money..... i have been considering the airforce as a career, maybe then i will have money to do fun things like this

[Caboose73]

Lots and lots of over time is were the funds are coming from im also going to the bank friday to try and get a loan so i can finish everything before winter.

[kwhauck]

with what as collateral? cuz i you don't got none, fat chance....

[Caboose73]

co sign and putting 1k down or more if they need it

[Nate's Alero]

lulz.

[kwhauck]

honestly getting a loan to finish it is kind of retarded. and it doesn't matter if the king of egypt co-signs for you. On an unsecured loan, they are gonna want collateral, unless you are going to some flea-bitten half ass bank.......

[Caboose73]

im only getting a 4k loan just to finish paying off the engine,pick up ms2,and a turbo

[Nate's Alero]

hahahahahahahaha, ONLY a 4K loan....


we need to race,

[Caboose73]

we need to race,

before or after i finish my engine? and what could i put up as collateral? ive never applied for a loan before so any help i can get ill take everyone i talk to just says get a good co signer and you will be all set

[99-alero]

i had no problem gettin a loan with no collatoral just a good co signer, preferably some1 who owns property, good credit etc etc

[Spilner521]

we need to race,
Why, what are you bringing?

[Alerosaint]

^^ a rocket powered sled...heh heh

[Caboose73]

Pics of the crank going in,the rest will be finished this week :yahoo: :yahoo:

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/P7200456.jpg
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[NickAlero2000]

I have a few turbo parts and gauges (glowshift boost and glowshift wideband o2.
PM me if you are interested.

[Caboose73]

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech102.html#c

[Spilner521]

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech102.html#c
Ok...exhaust manifolds...

[Caboose73]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T4-T6-HT3B-Quick-Spool-Flange-w-actuator-system_W0QQitemZ150344690041QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMot ors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item23013de97 9&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A1205|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318


Im going to be running a twin scroll turbocharger and a custom divided flange tubular turbo manifold anyone have any experience with this flange or similar products?

[[ion] C2]

You'd be better off designing the manifold like Garrett says, with complimentary cylinders on each side of the divided flange.

[Caboose73]

Update almost done :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

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[Afugy]

I'm so jealous right now.

[[ion] C2]

so he's gonna leave those stickers on the pistons? lol

[colonel6632]

C2;482449']so he's gonna leave those stickers on the pistons? lol

they'll get burned away :lol: :rolleyes2:

[_01Alero_]

C2;482449']so he's gonna leave those stickers on the pistons? lol

haha thats exactly what I was thinking....

Looks like it is coming along very nicely... Congrats on the build.

[DOHC_tuner]

Looks good...but I still suggest as I do to others on here..."you should have learned how to do it yourself". Learn how to rebuild it so you gain something from it and fix it yourself when something goes wrong. Now all you can say is "oh I paid someone to do it for me".

[kwhauck]

Looks good...but I still suggest as I do to others on here..."you should have learned how to do it yourself". Learn how to rebuild it so you gain something from it and fix it yourself when something goes wrong. Now all you can say is "oh I paid someone to do it for me".


could be half and half though, maybe his motor is getting built and he understands the jist of it, but doesn't have the time or tools to do it, but he may be putting together the turbo kit himself.......


I'll admit that my bottem end is being put together at a shop, because I am not gonna chance a little clearence fuck up by me, cost me $3000 or $4000 grand, and I am also not gonna do my own heads, you bet your ass the best 60degree shop WOT-TECH will be doing my heads, but I will be assembling everything else myself, and fabbing up the supercharger setup.....

[Caboose73]

could be half and half though, maybe his motor is getting built and he understands the jist of it, but doesn't have the time or tools to do it, but he may be putting together the turbo kit himself.......
I'll admit that my bottem end is being put together at a shop, because I am not gonna chance a little clearence eff up by me, cost me $3000 or $4000 grand, and I am also not gonna do my own heads, you bet your ass the best 60degree shop WOT-TECH will be doing my heads, but I will be assembling everything else myself, and fabbing up the supercharger setup.....

thats exactly what it is im putting the motor,5 speed swap,turbo kit and full suspension in myself but i dont have the tools to put together a motor nor do i fully trust my self to not screw up a 4k investment

[Caboose73]

Well i some time this weekend to put the 2.3 mani,phenolic adapter spacer and relocate my battery in the black sedan hers the pics and i ran my intake piping straight into the fender so i have my cai back

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[YALEROYNOT]

co sign and putting 1k down or more if they need it

im only getting a 4k loan just to finish paying off the engine,pick up ms2,and a turbo

did I read that right? putting 1k or more down on a 4k loan ? :rolleyes2:

[Caboose73]

did I read that right? putting 1k or more down on a 4k loan ? :rolleyes2:

ya the more you put down the less you pay and more likely they will give it to you and my bank only does 1k or 5k loans

[Caboose73]

Well due to a few unseen events my build was put on hold but its back up and running again.The motor is together now and ready to be shipped out next week :yahoo:

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[knuckleballer32]

wow wanna trade?

[Caboose73]

Ok so im meeting Marcus in 2 weeks to pick this bad boy up in NY but i need some help.The car is going to be stored outside under a take down car port thing for the winter should i drop the engine in now and drive it around for maybe a month before it starts snowing or should i just keep the engine in my house and put it in after winter?

[Nate's Alero]

after winter.... with me :P

[JLw7123]

After winter because it is better weather

[[ion] C2]

After winter because you have no reason to rush if you aren't even going to drive it.

[zoL]

I don't know anything about anything, but if it doesn't matter which time you do it, I'd personally rather just get it over with now.

[Caboose73]

So i need some help before tomorrow were do i bolt up the chains to lift the engine out of the bay?

[Paul.C]

Hey man im new but i have been reading your posts and loving it. i wish i had a standard tranny ut of course i have the v6 3.4 and well i feel like i can try to make it a standard and with every thing you have done i i wanted to help you out with this. ill get back to you tomorrow on the lift mounts but i would be waiting till after the winter to be putting that bad boy in. like i said ill be back tomorrow with the lift stuff though

[Caboose73]

so started pulling the old motor out Friday http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/My%20baby/1129091823-1.jpg
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My buddy posing with the old motor after we got it out http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/My%20baby/1129091851-1.jpg

Then i took a long road trip to meet Markus and pick up the motor out in western NY left at 6am didn't get back till 8pm but it was well worth it :yahoo:
and the last of the pics i got was the new one going in http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/My%20baby/1130091958-1.jpg
The motor is in and everything all bolted up now i just need to put on the alternator,a/c compressor,tensioner and a few random plugs and ill be ready to start this bitch up :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: and i would also like to thank Nate and Zack for coming down to my house to help me with the swap and im sorry i don't have more pics but it was a long weekend and taking pics was the last thing on my mind.

[Nate's Alero]

i did most of the unbolting... charlie only came after i left... the engine is EXTREMELY nice, it will make very very good power...

i leanred something, DONT pull an engine in a nor'easter

[Caboose73]

i did most of the unbolting... charlie only came after i left... the engine is EXTREMELY nice, it will make very very good power...

i leanred something, DONT pull an engine in a nor'easter

and also dont pull axles out if you cant get them back in

[DOHC_tuner]

Hey Caboose nice engine. One thing I recommend is wire tucking. I neglected that issue on my engine bay so now I am resolving it. And I'll tell you the bay looks sooooooo much better. Oh and please no blue wire loom.;)

[Caboose73]

ya cleaned as much of the dirt and grease as i could when the engine was out i didnt even think of tucking the wires.What you didnt like all my blue wire loom no my other car?:lol:

[hok666]

nice project, now more pics.. I might want a 2dr alero with the I4 someday

[Caboose73]

Well i got more pics for you guys
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It sounds great started up the 1st time we tried cranking it now i just have to put 1k miles on it before the real fun starts.

[Ttop191]

Looking good, now you just need to clean up the bay :D

[Nate's Alero]

hey man, did you drive it home?

when i left, you were so close to finishing, and did that silicone fix the dex leak?

[Caboose73]

ya the leak is fixed for now and its all set we got the axle in around 1130 but i didnt drive it home cause of all the snow.

[[ion] C2]

Huh? You used silicone to seal a coolant leak?

[JLw7123]

car looks great after all the work it took.

[Gr1m]

C2;512922']Huh? You used silicone to seal a coolant leak?
lol you know nate dont you?

[Nate's Alero]

ya the leak is fixed for now and its all set we got the axle in around 1130 but i didnt drive it home cause of all the snow.

did you use the Triangle file? were the splines that bad?

[Caboose73]

C2;512922']Huh? You used silicone to seal a coolant leak?

ya it was just a temp fix to stop the leak long enough to do the first engine break in im fixing the leak tomorrow.Ya nate we had to go in with a file and fix all the splines :cry: but it work now so its all set.

[Nate's Alero]

ya it was just a temp fix to stop the leak long enough to do the first engine break in im fixing the leak tomorrow.Ya nate we had to go in with a file and fix all the splines :cry: but it work now so its all set.

sorry 'bout that

[Caboose73]

The engine assploded on the highway im talking to OEM now to see whats going to happen ill keep you guys posted

[Nate's Alero]

jesus... i've been in on this as we went... no one really knows what happened... Knock Knock Knock BOOM

[kwhauck]

maybe it was a silicone....lol..........seriously though that sucks dude?

[Nate's Alero]

maybe it was a silicone....lol..........seriously though that sucks dude?

when it was the first start.... it ran SO good

[kwhauck]

hmmm.......interesting, guess i'll have to wait for hime to tear it apart to hear what happened.......seriously that sucks.....if that happens to me when i put my boosted motor in, or if something happens to the 5 speed when i am first driving it, i might just coast it off a cliff with me in it.....

[[ion] C2]

Meh..

[Nate's Alero]

Mark's losing his touch

[Caboose73]

maybe it was a silicone....lol..........seriously though that sucks dude?

no lol the silicon was on the outside of the piece just to stop the leak long enough for me to get the o ring but were working on finding out what happened

[DOHC_tuner]

How many quarts of oil did you pour?

And how fast were you running it before a tune?

Valves hit the pistons or the oil pump gave out.

[[ion] C2]

Yeah you check your oil level since the event? Maybe you dumped it all over the road.

[Caboose73]

How many quarts of oil did you pour?

And how fast were you running it before a tune?

Valves hit the pistons or the oil pump gave out.

6 and i was going like 45ish at like 1.5-2k i was getting off the highway and it blew.I never went above 3k and the car only had 30.3 miles on it.The coolant res is empty and there is no oil on the dip stick just metal shavings.

[zoL]

I blame Nate.

[[ion] C2]

Damn.

[Nate's Alero]

I blame Nate.

i blame you for blaming me

[DOHC_tuner]

You never revved it right? And dont lie. Also did you start it and let it idle for a while? ANd I mean just let it sit and let it run for a good while.

You are suppose to start it then stand in front of the car and just watch her per and see how she idles. Just stand there and stand then watch the gauges then stand....LOL. Look for leaks, listen to the idle, notice if the fans come on, check gauges frequently, give it some gas, etc.

[Caboose73]

ya i did that and it ran perfect changed the oil the drove it around for 30mins changed the oil again then i drove it this morning and boom

[DOHC_tuner]

I know its been told here to change the oil a few times when you first start it but honestly I only changed it once after starting it and I never had problems.

But 6 quarts is sufficient due to the modified oil pan. Now do you know for sure if a new oil pump was used? If so what pick up was used too?

Was the timing perfect on mark?

[Caboose73]

i had the 2.3 swap so as far as i know everything was new and im not sure about the timing but i think it was good cause it started up great and ran fine until it died lol

[clutch1]

:/ bunk. Are you going to tear it down to find what happened?

[Caboose73]

yup im tearing it out thursday and giving it back to OEM and there going to take care of it

[DOHC_tuner]

Take pictures of the chain before removing it and other areas too. Are you tearing it down or will that guy from OEM do it?

And its funny cause I think I remember reading over on the org that he left something loose so there will be less friction etc....I'll go back and read it again.

[Caboose73]

Well ill be pulling the engine out tomorrow,ill be sure to take lots of pics and make up a how to this time.

[kwhauck]

updates now!!!

[Caboose73]

Well i found out what happened
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Engine%20rebuild/1210091905.jpg

Markus is going to take the block back and see what he can salvage

[clutch1]

What's pokin out the side der? Looks like the connecting rod came apart?

[[ion] C2]

I think I remember reading over on the org that he left something loose so there will be less friction
Haha like the connecting rod bolts

But seriously, this wasn't Mark's fault... more to come.

[Caboose73]

Kinda :p little update OEM is going to be stopping by sometime this month to pick up my car and bring it down to his shop in FL i got big plans :ninja:

[Gr1m]

did you bother to torque things down to proper specs. in that built engine or did you just wing it?

[Vic28]

To my understanding he had the engine built. He wasnt the one turning wrenches on the motor..

Anywayz when are you expecting to get the car back running since the car is taking a trip to Florida??

[JLw7123]

ya he had the engine built in NY the engine was nice saw it you should have seen the old engine that was in there oh god it was so bad.

[Caboose73]

Ill have the car back some time in may so that way i can take it to ASS

[JLw7123]

nice bet it is going to be fast.

[Alerojester]

i was reading through here thinking that your build would be nice to do to mine ;) but the hole in the block looks bad. I am going to be pulling my LD9 and attempting to rebuild it with the help of a buddy of mine granted he builds V8's but i am sure a I4 won't be too much of a problem for him and i to tackle if you read through one of my threads Motor Blew it tells the whole situation with mine. Can't wait to see the updates on yours.

[Caboose73]

Bumping this cause most of these parts are now for sale http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31095

[cherrington17]

damn shame... but a totally rational reaction.

[tr4v1sf]

NOOOO i wanted to see my alero live again haha maybe some day i hope

[Caboose73]

Well it turns out your going to see it live i found a good deal on a fully built engine on the j-body so i think i might end up keeping it.

[JLw7123]

nice does this mean u are still going to ASS

[Caboose73]

Well im bringing this back and updating it im going to keep the car for now i just ordered http://mpracing.org/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=369 and there 2 stbs ill update this with pics of the install when the parts get here.

[Caboose73]

Another small update i got my GR2s in today http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Aleromod%20pics/0807001207.jpg prob going to install them tomorrow or monday

[hok666]

hmmm nice.. make an install thread so I know how to:P

[BlackJack]

fk yeah!!

Keep it rolling and build that beast.

[Caboose73]

Small update finally got the MPR 12" Front Big Brake Kit all i can say is wow these things are HUGE. Heres some pics right out of the box ill make sure to take some pics next to the stock ones so you guys can see how big they really are.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Parts%20pics/0817001829.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Parts%20pics/0817001829a.jpg

[Caboose73]

Well heres the kit next to stock.
Top=MPR big brake kit
Bottom=Stock
and they fit under the stock 16inch rims.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Parts%20pics/08180016152.jpg

[lord2heart]

brake caliper is effing huge lol

[Caboose73]

Well a small update finally got around to installing all my gauges. Its all kinda missed matched cause im in the process of switching over from glowshift to cyberdyne because cyberdyne gauges can be programmed to flash at a set value.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Parts%20pics/Gaugeson.jpg
and i also got around to fixing my dam coolant leak and found out what was causing it. Top is an 11 year old 200,xxx mile water neck and the bottom one is brand new as you can see the top one was completely corroded the plastic was soft and falling apart.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Parts%20pics/Waterneck.jpg

[Caboose73]

Small update got the car up and running again had a huge fight with the brakes to get them working i ended up having to replace the back calibers and rotors cause they were all rusted and wouldnt work any more.I also got a better job now and have some extra money coming in so im going to start working on the car again.Heres a pic of the room i have with 16 inch rims http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Parts%20pics/1130001101.jpg

[Caboose73]

Well I'm digging this up from wayyy back I ended up getting a 04 gto with 23k on it and the poor aleros been sitting outside in my driveway for the past year being neglected. So I've decided to collect all the spare parts scattered around my garage to rebuild the alero bigger and better then before. I'll get pics of the alero as it sits now and all the random parts I have left over from the build that ended in disaster when I get back home in 2-3 weeks. But here's a few pics of the gto for now.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20130428_191409_990.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20130428_191409_990.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20130419_140451_172.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20130419_140451_172.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20130419_140429_906.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20130419_140429_906.jpg.html)

[sleepyalero]

Nice. 5.7 or 6.0?

And why didnt you get a stick??


Also... welcome back

[Caboose73]

Its the 5.7l the main reason for getting an auto is I'm a truck driver and I drive stick 10hrs a day so I'm sick of it. The other reason was it was such a good deal I got it for 15.5k with only 23k on it and it looks brand new cause the guy who had it before barely drove it

[sleepyalero]

Hey thats a good reason to not get a stick haha.

[Papa Rad17]

I miss my old gto, that's looking good. sap gill and spoiler are awesome.

[Caboose73]

Ya I love the thing. As soon as its all paid off I'm going to start modding the thing but until then I figured the alero will keep me busy.

[sleepyalero]

We need more aleros

[Nas Escobar]

Help me find one then Sleepy!! I want a 5 speed Eco. Lol jk jk

But nice GTO Caboose! I've always wanted one... hell I want the seats to retrofit em in my Cutlass Supreme and Camaro.

Can't wait to see the pics of the Alero.

[03glgold]

Help me find one then Sleepy!! I want a 5 speed Eco. Lol jk jk

But nice GTO Caboose! I've always wanted one... hell I want the seats to retrofit em in my Cutlass Supreme and Camaro.

Can't wait to see the pics of the Alero.

If you are truly interested in a 5 speed eco, then I can send you a link if one turns up in your area before too long, it has been two weeks since i went through every craigslist page in the continental us, prolly about time to do it again

[Nas Escobar]

The idea is there, I'm serious, but I'm also broke and working odd jobs to pay bills off. Financially, I'm not ready... BUT I am willing to wait, because I want an Eco with less than 100K. 120K max, but no more. Hard to find yes? Possible? Of course?

So to conclude, I do want it, but this may be a January 2015 type thing.... unless a deal comes out of nowhere, then I'll get a personal loan or something. I'm willing to travel btw, but I'm thinking along the lines of between NY and SC.


How do you find these links nationwide though? It seems like a real hassle to go through each area on CL.

[That01Olds]

Welcome back to the site and nice looking GTO! :thumb:

[03glgold]

The idea is there, I'm serious, but I'm also broke and working odd jobs to pay bills off. Financially, I'm not ready... BUT I am willing to wait, because I want an Eco with less than 100K. 120K max, but no more. Hard to find yes? Possible? Of course?

So to conclude, I do want it, but this may be a January 2015 type thing.... unless a deal comes out of nowhere, then I'll get a personal loan or something. I'm willing to travel btw, but I'm thinking along the lines of between NY and SC.


How do you find these links nationwide though? It seems like a real hassle to go through each area on CL.
That is exactly what i do and it is a PITA but when i end up with the right 5 speed it will be worth it...my current top contender is a black 03 coupe with power windows and sunroof running 86k miles for 3k

[Caboose73]

Ya I can't wait to get back to modding the alero. I just bought a tig welder and its going to be at the house Friday then I can start leading how to weld which should make putting in this turbo a lot cheaper.

[Caboose73]

Well i finally got home from being on the road so heres the update. Heres http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_133910058_HDR.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_133910058_HDR.jpg.html) the poor girl shes been sitting and hasnt been started in atleast 2 years. Heres the dirty engine bay http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_133947575.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_133947575.jpg.html)
And finally the good stuff a car full of all sorts of goodies
[URL=http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134136588.jpg.html][IMG]http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134136588.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134102792.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134109163.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134109163.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134109163.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134109163.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134154010.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134154010.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134247610.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134247610.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134228761.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134228761.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134308903.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134308903.jpg.html)
and to top it all off a gt35R i got used from somebody over on j-body a few years ago sitting on top of the cheap log manifold you can find on ebay http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/esizedImage951400375546795.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/esizedImage951400375546795.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/esizedImage_1400375658696.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/esizedImage_1400375658696.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/014-05-17_21-06-30_375.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/014-05-17_21-06-30_375.jpg.html)
This is the Down pipe i just ordered ill post a real pic when it gets here next week to start the exhaust and to help me finish it a new mig welder i just picked up
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/41FYvorHsuL._SY400_.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/41FYvorHsuL._SY400_.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/KGrHqZHJBFH6NrroV3BSGKQ2Ytg60_35.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/KGrHqZHJBFH6NrroV3BSGKQ2Ytg60_35.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134516759.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134516759.jpg.html)
And heres a pic of the new 2014 Kenworth super sleeper we just bought and i pick of are old trusty 05 Frieghtliner Columbia thats got almost a million mile on her
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134443851.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134443851.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_134454230.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_134454230.jpg.html)
And to top it all off my new poly motor mounts came in for the gto :awesome:
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140520_135514770.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140520_135514770.jpg.html)

[tw0123]

Sweet! Glad to see the love is coming back and can't wait to see how she runs when it's all together!

[negolien]

1st order of business is probably going to be chasing out some mice lol. Gonna be nice to see her when she's done.

[Caboose73]

1st order of business is probably going to be chasing out some mice lol. Gonna be nice to see her when she's done.

Ya im sure theres some in there :cry: but i have the next 2 weeks off so im going to fully strip everything out and give it a good wash and try to get it running again just to see were my starting points going to be.

[Caboose73]

Well small update the 3 inch down pipe came in today I also tried getting the alero to turn over and ended up blowing a fuse and lost all power to everything so im just going to push it into the garage and start the tear down process.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140527_192600505.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/rmsawyer73/media/Forums/IMG_20140527_192600505.jpg.html)
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140527_192550869.jpg

[[ion] C2]

Good luck fitting that downpipe with the 4-bolt to v-band adapter in the engine bay.

Also whyyyyy is your head and Cometic gasket sitting there like that, prone to being scratched up or otherwise damaged and get debris in the layers of the gasket? Aghhh..

When you install, remember this:

Head and block perfectly flat, shiny.
Copper spray the outside of the gasket (both head side and block side)
Torque to 88 ft-lb in THREE equal steps.

[Caboose73]

Ya my bad on the head i didnt think of small scratches laying it down like that and how much clearance do i need on the hot side the adapter is 3inch wide and i got the low profile 90 on the down pipe hoping it would be enough

[[ion] C2]

It is tight, that's all I know. My downpipe does this and it's quite snug.

http://ion-productions.com/turboManifold/29.JPG

[Caboose73]

Hmm ya that's probably not going to fit I guess I'll have to chop off the vband parts and just bolt it to the turbo and bend it in more

[Caboose73]

Update i unpacked all the parts and laid them out on a nice soft padded surface instead of a debris covered floor like IonC2 pointed out to me :awesome: . I also cut out the exhaust and got the manifold off now the fun part of mocking up all the turbo stuff before the engine comes out :yahoo: :yahoo:. I also forgot a few goodies i picked up awhile ago like the team green lsd and a fpr adapter block
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0163.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0162.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0161.jpghttp://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0166.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0174.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0173.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0172.jpg

I also apparently have a guard turkey that watches over my gto now lol
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0160.jpg

[[ion] C2]

what's the FPR adapter for

[Caboose73]

If I remember correctly it let's you use the stock rail and the an aftermarket fpr but its been years sense I bought the thing so I could be mistaken I'll try to find the thread over on j-body about it later tonight.

[[ion] C2]

stock FPR is sufficient, but if you want a pretty one it works i suppose

[Caboose73]

Of course i want a pretty one lol but on another note i ran into a slight issue got the manifold in and the turbo doesnt fit :cry: :cry: i tried clocking the cold side and not matter what it bangs into the cam tower. So ive decided to have some fun and test my fab skills and mount the turbo in a different location now im just going threw ideas now so nobody be to harsh but i think im might stick it over on the passenger side like this
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0179.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0180.jpg

The last pic is how im thinking of routing the pipe i can fit 2 1/2 inch feeding the turbo and 3 inch dp to the rest of the exhaust and theirs enough clearance to rap up the pipes so i dont go melting a bunch of stuff

[[ion] C2]

you're crazy

[Caboose73]

Well ive been browsing on summit racing and it looks easy enough to make a log manifold and have it exit on the pass side but im not sure how to get an exhaust flange and can start off of i tried ebay and i could only find eotec ones. Im not sure if i can cut up the stock mani and use that flange or go to a maching shop and just give the the gasket and tell them to cut a 1/2inch plate.

[Caboose73]

Mini update the 4 bolt-Vband connector finally got here and some pieces of the soon to be manifold also came in the rest should be in Monday :awesome:
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140604_150331030.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140604_145035270.jpg

[[ion] C2]

Im not sure if i can cut up the stock mani and use that flange or go to a maching shop and just give the the gasket and tell them to cut a 1/2inch plate.
i might be able to have my fabricator cut a flange for you... he made one for my manifold

but yeah just give a shop the gasket and they can make it easily

http://ion-productions.com/turboManifold/7.jpg

[Caboose73]

How much did that cost to have him make one cause i might end up doing that im in the process of cutting up the stock one and im going to try and weld on a piece to see how well it comes out.

[[ion] C2]

no idea, my manifold was completely designed on a trade deal, not payment
i'd guess $50-100

[Caboose73]

Well mini update all the pieces finally came in and bam you have everything you need to make a cheap log style manifold :awesome: :awesome:
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140609_164224914.jpg


So now im going to chop up the stock manifold to get the flange and practice welding one of those extras 90s and if it works ill hopefully weld all up and start figuring out the final pipe routes.

[Caboose73]

Well busy night i finally got the manifold roughly fitted together to make sure it all fits and get a rough idea on the routes of the rest of the pipes to the turbo. Be genital this is my first project welding anything and this is just a starting mock up to test fitment and ideas.Well to start off i cut off the stock flange
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140610_165419483.jpg
Then i had to put in 3 inch spacers to clear the engine which is just 3 inch sections cut out of the stock exhaust.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0182.jpg
All tacked in place
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0183.jpg
The rough fitment and now i got to cut them all to the same height and level it.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0184.jpg
Then i tacked together the actual manifold pieces still need to order 2 90* bends yo finish of the end
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0185.jpg
Setting everything up to tack in place
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0186.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0188.jpg
All Tacked up
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0189.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0187.jpg
Still need to adjust the gaps and get it all fitted right
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0190.jpg
And this is how its going to fit in and the 3 inch down pipe from the turbo goes under everything
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0191.jpg
And the other 90* to make it around the side towards the turbo
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_0193.jpg
So everything seems to fit pretty good i still need the 2 90* bends for the end. I also need to move the heater core lines and fuel lines out of the way for that side to fit but i think its coming along :awesome: :awesome:

[Caboose73]

Soooooo after reading a bunch of articles about turbo manifolds and talking to some smarter people then me I'm not going with this manifold and I'm starting over from scratch with something a lot better.

[[ion] C2]

and have it TIG welded using stainless... no bird shit on mild steel

[Caboose73]

I don't have a tig unfortunately but I am going to get it ceramic coated after its all finished.

[Caboose73]

Well im finally back home and got some more parts in a 12" straight pipe and a merge collector
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140710_051111136.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140710_051118082.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140711_041618808.jpg
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/rmsawyer73/Forums/IMG_20140711_041623943.jpg

However after lots of messing around and trying to figure it all out ive finally figured out this is way above my welding skill (which is zero lol).So im going to put this on hold and work on my welding skills. So i went ahead and ordered a 1/2" t3 spacer which should just lift the compressor housing above the cam tower and give me enough clearance to go back to using the str log manifold. I also ordered a tial wastegate which should all be in when i get back then i can really start getting this build moving again.

[[ion] C2]

oh yeah, i forgot, i used a spacer with the STR manifold for the turbo to fit

[Caboose73]

Ya i know you did i did a Google search and came across your thread from here and how you made a spacer which gave me the idea lol.

[Caboose73]

Well guess What just arrived today my tial wastegate!!!!! And the thing is way bigger then i expected now im just waiting for the spacer plates to come in.
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