l7 or type x?

[bkathsalero]

Which is a better sub? I'll be running 2 of either one
so
2 Kicker l7's (15")
or
2 Alpine type x's (12")

[Ryan from Ohio]

Neither- they both suck.

The L7's have many issues with the fundamental design. They dont like ANY kind of abuse whatsoever. Its an SPL oriented driver. Unless you got mucho space these aint for you. Note, set of 12's would be MAXIMUM in an Alero... You wont fit 15's in the Alero in a proper box no way no how!

The Type X isnt anything great at all. Its an extremely over priced not so great sub. Its not really that good at anything. A type R will be better than a Type X.

You want a kick ass sub? Look in my sig. This weeks special is one HELL of a deal!

[jayson_waltz]

i have a single 10" L7 in my alero, have had for about 2 yrs now. i like it a lot, never really had any problem with it i i beat the piss out of it, full volume most of its life. they hits damn good for their size, most people that ride with me figure i have a 12" and are surprised its not. at the last sound off i was at, i only lost by about 1 db to my friends 2 12" alpines, 2400w in a civic.

[bkathsalero]

http://massiveaudio.com/store/produc...cat=265&page=1

So these are suppose to be good? /\/\

my problem is then I need an amp (suggestions)

Where on craigslist there are (2)15" l7's with (2)1500 watt amps for 800
or (2) Type x's with amp for 650

Both with boxes

[Cashdollar2009]

http://massiveaudio.com/store/produc...cat=265&page=1

So these are suppose to be good? /\/\

my problem is then I need an amp (suggestions)

Where on craigslist there are (2)15" l7's with (2)1500 watt amps for 800
or (2) Type x's with amp for 650

Both with boxes

Hifonics 2600wrms mono-block
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17599_Hifonics+BXi+2610D.html

[JLw7123]

Get the Alpine Type X they pound

[JLw7123]

http://massiveaudio.com/store/produc...cat=265&page=1

So these are suppose to be good? /\/\

my problem is then I need an amp (suggestions)

Where on craigslist there are (2)15" l7's with (2)1500 watt amps for 800
or (2) Type x's with amp for 650

Both with boxes
how much are you willing to spend on the amp

[JLw7123]

http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-08-ZX2500-1-2500W-MONO-AMP-CLASS-D-CAR-AMPLIFIER_W0QQitemZ310172314204QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Car_Amplifiers?hash=item4837b5ea5c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
//cgi.ebay.com/ALPINE-MRP-M2000-MonoBlock-V-Power-CAR-AMPLIFIER-AMP_W0QQitemZ200382354624QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Am plifiers?hash=item2ea7b814c0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Here are some amps any amp to power those subs are not going to be cheap.

[JLw7123]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ALPINE-MRP-M2000-MonoBlock-V-Power-CAR-AMPLIFIER-AMP_W0QQitemZ200382354624QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Am plifiers?hash=item2ea7b814c0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[Ryan from Ohio]

Well I dont think the OP will be going after the Massives...

The special sale is now over with and the price is probably to much.

I still think both of the subs listed suck.

1) Theres not enough room in the Alero for 15's ported in either case...

2) To power such subs is not cheap. This goes beyond amplifiers. Im talking ALternator, batteries (more than one) and wiring.

[Cashdollar2009]

http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-08-ZX2500-1-2500W-MONO-AMP-CLASS-D-CAR-AMPLIFIER_W0QQitemZ310172314204QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Car_Amplifiers?hash=item4837b5ea5c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
//cgi.ebay.com/ALPINE-MRP-M2000-MonoBlock-V-Power-CAR-AMPLIFIER-AMP_W0QQitemZ200382354624QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Am plifiers?hash=item2ea7b814c0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Here are some amps any amp to power those subs are not going to be cheap.

Yeah if you're oprions are kicker or alpine. Sounds to me like you want cheap power. Hifonics new line of mono blocks give a you some solid power, for an awesome price!

[bkathsalero]

I can spend money. I understand the costs. And everything involved with power! Doing the big 3 and upgrades on batteries,etc. The reason I posted the op is because the listed subs are on my states craigslist for reasonably cheap. I'm no newb to audio. And btw If i was going BIG I would go Bravox.

But realistically I am looking at used subs with power due to the fact of my current builds. I got a block sitting in my garage waiting for it's big day.

But thanks for all the help

[Ryan from Ohio]

And btw If i was going BIG I would go Bravox.

Thats ok, but thats not big by any means.

You want BIG?

http://www.dcsoundlab.com/woofers.html Lvl 4 XL mmmmmmmhhhhmmmmm

http://reaudio.com/specs.html#sp_xxx

http://americanbassusa.com/front/showcontent.aspx?fileid=73

http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/caraudio/09/woofer09_9500g.asp

I can arrange DC audio for you (I dont sell it though- but have a contact). Same with Digital Designs.

I sell American Bass, might be able to special order a VFL.

RE Audio I dont carry but its still good shizzle.

Bravox wont touch any of the above subs...

[JLw7123]

ya the subs i am getting weight 57 pounds a piece they are the RE mt series

[Ryan from Ohio]

MT is pretty bad assed.

But for the price you could get a DC Audio lvl 4 or maybe an XL and be better off ;)

[lil.red.alero]

hey ryan for my alero i want a decent sub that can be heard from a couple blocks away for pretty cheap you have any reccomendations?

[Ryan from Ohio]

depends on whats Cheap and how much power you got for them.

But I like the American bass DX subs. Kick ass sub for the money!

[DansGen1Alero]

my recommendations...if you can still find them JL Audio 12 VERSION 1, DVC, I have 6 (3 in alero, 3 in lex) I have an alpine V12 expert for the alero maybe pushin 900 to all three, and a 1000/1 JL pushin the lex. I Love the older JLs and how they have withstood the test of time. May be able to (if at all) find them pretty cheap maybe 75 a piece. I have stock on mine, bought 9 of them since they are discontinued, but 3 of which i bought blew shortly thereafter (guy must have lied to me)

[lil.red.alero]

ya i have two jl 12w3s right now with a kenwood 1000watt mono amp theyre okay but i want somethin thats a lil louder..and im talkin as cheap as i can get lol i used most of my money on subs and amps and im tryin to get rid of em now to get somethin nicer..i wanted an alpine type x or two but theyre just too expensive right now so i was lookin at re audio but i dont know whats the best or loudest

[DansGen1Alero]

oh my bad, I forgot to mention W-6s not w3s they are nothing compared to the version 1 w-6s

now if you had the money, go W-7, but for the price the W-6 version 1, 12 inch was the best bang for the buck.

[Ryan from Ohio]

I remember paying $300 for a W6 V1...

They aint worth it no how no way, not in this market.

If the current "classic W6V1" is over $100 you are being severely ripped off.

[lil.red.alero]

im on ebay looks like i can get some for about 90 each..u think these would hit way harder then w3s?

[DansGen1Alero]

brand new they were 300, but went down to 250 shortly after. They have been discontinued since 2003. Yes w-6s version 1 DVC hit harder then w-3s, If they are version 2 maybe not as much, I beleive the version 1s were 6 ohm??? (needed to run in 1's and 3's)

[DansGen1Alero]

If its this one, Id say thats good, seller looks good too

http://cgi.ebay.com/JL-AUDIO-12W6-THE-ORIGINAL-DUAL-6OHM-VOICE-COIL_W0QQitemZ170393534703QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_S ubwoofers_Enclosures?hash=item27ac3f00ef


heres 3 for 325, thats a good deal

http://cgi.ebay.com/3-JL-Audio-12W6-subwoofers-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ300362018448QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Su bwoofers_Enclosures?hash=item45eef8ae90

[lil.red.alero]

ya thats the one i was lookin at u said u had three of these in an alero?

[DansGen1Alero]

yes 3 side by side, as well as 3 in my lexus, I have the alpine runnin the 3 in the alero, and a JL 1000/1 runnin the other three. I am satisfied, I hit about 143.1 or 141.3db in the alero.

[Ryan from Ohio]

http://americanbassusa.com/front/showcontent.aspx?fileid=67

^ That is BETTER than a W6V1 and is cheaper to. Brand new, w/warranty.

W6V1 was a technological break through- in 1996...

Its 2009 now...

BTW the American Bass DX12 runs $75

[DansGen1Alero]

Its all about personal preference, yes JL had a break through with them, and I personally haven't found anything that I like better and can stand the test of time. I believe they handle more watts RMS as well, and I dont think those are cheaper then the W-6V1's you can find now that are new $90 they are just an older model, but selling as new

[Ryan from Ohio]

Watts RMS dont determine what subs better.

That DX will outperform the W6V1 any day.

[DansGen1Alero]

IM not saying the rms does determine whats better, I still would pick the JL over some brand I have never heard of

I do see that they are WAYYYY cheaper but they only have 1 voice coil (if thats something you are looking at), they are like 60 bucks, so dude by all means if you are looking for cheap then do it. I just learned the hard way you get what you pay for. Again its personal preference and I know the JL

[Ryan from Ohio]

Well if your just using one sub then you will have some goofy Ohm load...

3 Ohm load or 12 Ohm...

So be very aware of that.

The novelty of the W6 was to run them in 3's to produce a 4 ohm load. Which was low for 2 channel amps back then- before Class D...

American Bass is a reputable company well know to the competition circuits. Used in the lanes.

The JL is a good product, not knocking it. But the DX is simply a better product at a lesser price. You will get more out of it.

[DansGen1Alero]

Very true the v1w6s were meant to be run in 1's or 3's not many to my understanding caught on to that, 1 reason they were discontinued. the last 6 i purchased were the AE versions thinking the only main dif was the surrounding.

I am not knocking the DX either, but I am also not a dealer so I have no reason to push one over the other. This one shop out by me pushed lanzar and soundstream (granted this was over a decade ago) and I gave in to soundstream, and they were POS's lol. I even had their mono amp (the affordable one) and I blew every cap in that thing. You would think it was the 4th of July in my trunk. thats what turned me onto the Alpine V12

[AleroB888]

Well if your just using one sub then you will have some goofy Ohm load...

3 Ohm load or 12 Ohm...

So be very aware of that.

The novelty of the W6 was to run them in 3's to produce a 4 ohm load. Which was low for 2 channel amps back then- before Class D...
...................


All this talk of subwoofs is getting me interested in audio projects again.

What I don't see in any of the literature on these, or any other units, is the plot of complex impedance vs frequency, as mounted in an enclosure. They show some TL enclosures on that American Bass site, and some others, but I don't see data for the speaker/box combos. You are aware that in vented designs the impedance rises and falls with 2 peaks and generally a trough between those peaks, and the cabinet tuning and damping will determine the magnitude and frequency of the peaks. That is not usually as much an issue for overall listenability, but I would guess it would be critical for competitions, where the minimum impedance needs to be close to the frequency where max output is desired.

Normally woofs with as high a Qts as they show there would only be used in a large sealed box, or a TL (where damping would usually be needed). Vented boxes are much more tricky to achieve a decent impedance curve, which is critical to getting the most power out of the amps. Amps are a lot better than they used to be as far as stability, but clipping at some ranges in the bass is more likely unless the enclosure is correctly damped. The impedance plot is one indication of how well that is done.

[Ryan from Ohio]

American Bass does not list or give box recommendations in their literature or website.

You can call them up though and get box recommendations.

Impedance rise is always a factor but given a properly designed box its never been an issue.

As far as amplifiers go, if you have a proper amplifier of good quality you shouldnt run into problems.

Selecting a vented or sealed enclosure is based off the EBP. It can be slanted. The 10" DX was slightly slanted to sealed if I remember correctly. It works well still in vented, it was just a slight slant.

[2000aleroff]

if your going to go with kickers you should definatly go with kicker cvx 12". 2 of those would be extremely loud in the right box. i have the cvr 12's and they kill my alero. so a custom box with ports would probs flex your roof, shake the heck out of your trunk, and blur your eyes when your driving =P

[Cashdollar2009]

if your going to go with kickers you should definatly go with kicker cvx 12". 2 of those would be extremely loud in the right box. i have the cvr 12's and they kill my alero. so a custom box with ports would probs flex your roof, shake the heck out of your trunk, and blur your eyes when your driving =P

Have you ever had your car metered before?

[2000aleroff]

you mean like a db meter?

[colonel6632]

if your going to go with kickers you should definatly go with kicker cvx 12". 2 of those would be extremely loud in the right box. i have the cvr 12's and they kill my alero. so a custom box with ports would probs flex your roof, shake the heck out of your trunk, and blur your eyes when your driving =P

i've got 2 12" cvrs. it's true. they can hit pretty hard. i can feel my hair shaking under my hat at times. sometimes not so much. depends where they are in my trunk, and which way they are facing. but ya. they push alot of air. my trunk flexs and shakes like crazy

[2000aleroff]

ya, cvrs are so sick, and cvx's are a step up. they will probs go up to about 140 dbs if you do it right and they will shake every part of your car, doors, windsheild, roof, trunk, heck proly even the front bumper hahah

[2000aleroff]

another thing about the cvx's is that if you get an infinity 1211a amplifier(about 300 and change) plus the cvx's about 300 also, and the wiring kit another 50-100 depending on what you go with.. you wont have to buy an extra battery, cap, or alternator. it should run on the stock battery just fine. so your looking at about 700-800 for a system that you will never have to upgrade. even if you did want to upgrade you would have to go very comp to do so. like jl 13w7's or solo x's. but thats an extreme. so sticking with the kicker cvx's would be plenty.

this is just my suggestion. its what i want to upgrade to and i have done all the research for it already. just kinda stopped because of money issues...but its a great idea.

[Cashdollar2009]

If you know what you are doing. For $900.00, i put a new Kenwood deck, Alpine door speakers, 4 ga. wiring kit, Planet Audio 3 farad capacitor, Crunch 2000 watt amplifier, two 12" Kicker L5's, and a ported box tuned to 36Hz in a friends neon. He's hitting low 140's on music at 1200 wrms. :)

[bigbiz15]

Go with the kickers, all day everyday. I work at Best Buy and have heared both of the subs and the L7's hit wayyyyy harder. Something else to think about is that the to l7's are going to need a lot more power in order to handle both of the subs. Go with a kicker KS series amp and you should be good.

[JLw7123]

this thread is over a years old

[bigbiz15]

Go with the kickers. They have real deep bass and hit hard. For an amp Just go for a kicker KS series.

[strtrydr]

^DUDE ... Really???

You thread revive this last month ... Now you post again with the same info as you posted then.

Stop and learn to read.

Enough said ... Hopefully!

[Cashdollar2009]

^DUDE ... Really???

You thread revive this last month ... Now you post again with the same info as you posted then.

Stop and learn to read.

Enough said ... Hopefully!

With a completely ignorant review... lol

The sub has little to do with its "deep bass." It is about 98% application. Put a subwoofer in a ported box tuned to 28Hz, then put the same sub in a sealed box. Tell me which application has "deeper bass."

[Bigshot44]

Neither- they both suck.

The L7's have many issues with the fundamental design. They dont like ANY kind of abuse whatsoever. Its an SPL oriented driver. Unless you got mucho space these aint for you. Note, set of 12's would be MAXIMUM in an Alero... You wont fit 15's in the Alero in a proper box no way no how!

The Type X isnt anything great at all. Its an extremely over priced not so great sub. Its not really that good at anything. A type R will be better than a Type X.

You want a kick ass sub? Look in my sig. This weeks special is one HELL of a deal!

i agree... except that type x isnt great at all. type x are sq. i like type r cause they are sql, but type x are still good.

[SnoopySnooper1]

type rs are actually better than type xs. i have had both and the type rs get alotttttt louder and sound better imo,

i have 2000 rms on a pair of type rs and they take it like a champ and want more, my tyoe xs blew the second i put over 1000 rms to ea, tyoe rs on the toehr hand are cheaper, have better soft parts and take alot more power

look up my name snoopysnooper on youtube and youll see

[SnoopySnooper1]

ryan form ohio beat me to it lol

[SnoopySnooper1]

If you know what you are doing. For $900.00, i put a new Kenwood deck, Alpine door speakers, 4 ga. wiring kit, Planet Audio 3 farad capacitor, Crunch 2000 watt amplifier, two 12" Kicker L5's, and a ported box tuned to 36Hz in a friends neon. He's hitting low 140's on music at 1200 wrms. :)

bor for 900 i can get you to beark 150db on a termlab

cjheck out caraudioclassifieds.com and say snoopysnooper sent ya, great forum with great deals

the stuff is used, but if you buy from a reutable guy its like brand new, i go there all the time and =have a 23 itrader, i love it

i have 2 12" tyoe rs i aopiud 150 foir the pair
infinty 1211a i paid 50 for
and a coustom box 3.3 cubes at 33 hz i made with an aero port

sofor 200 im doing a 147 on music :)

[Cashdollar2009]

bor for 900 i can get you to beark 150db on a termlab

cjheck out caraudioclassifieds.com and say snoopysnooper sent ya, great forum with great deals

the stuff is used, but if you buy from a reutable guy its like brand new, i go there all the time and =have a 23 itrader, i love it

i have 2 12" tyoe rs i aopiud 150 foir the pair
infinty 1211a i paid 50 for
and a coustom box 3.3 cubes at 33 hz i made with an aero port

sofor 200 im doing a 147 on music :)

That was an ignorant statement on my part way back when...

For 900.00, yes you can break a 150, you just need to have the exact optimal enclosure for your vehicle, tune to 65hz, then get the biggest amp you can for a 2 second burp... lol, not very fun.

And I don't normally call people out, but a 147 on music is loud. REALLY loud. Unless your mic is in the port maybe? But to do a 147 on music, you are going to need more than two Alpine Type-R's in an ordinary slot-port enclosure, off of 400 watts a piece, coming off of a single Deka 9a31. It's going to take a Term-Lab meter video to convince me otherwise.

[Ryan from Ohio]

CACO is a shit fest.

I posted something there and forgot to put my name in the picture... I got a snide PM from an Admin. I looked around and the Admin themselves are not doing it... He told me he can because he has over 20 feedback on E bay or something laughable low feedback amount.

Its the same people selling shit there as any other forum...

[Cashdollar2009]

Admins don't do it, because they are admins. If you follow the rules then honestly you'll have no problem. Just like any site or any listing anywhere. You are correct, it's all the same. I'm not going to feel too comfortable buying from someone that could have just copied a picture from someone's build log or something and just take his or her "word" for it. It's hard for an admin to run, but the way some people turn to shit on online sales is just horrible.

But you'll have naysayers for every website. I tell other Alero owners on the audio forums I frequent about Aleromod and they cry about some dude named "Cherry something" picking on them, so they left. Other people cry about needing to require a minimum post count on certain sites to have access to certain features. Some sites have too many advertisements so it clutters the screen...

Today, there are just too many more people with internet access as there are people who are honest. Scams are very common as apparently people are starting to find ways around paypal anymore... The biggest thing I see about CACO is that they make it VERY convenient in searching for what you want as they divide their stuff up as to what category, type, size, etc. You don't find that as you search through pages of shit everywhere else. (for the most part.) Regardless, 99% of the rules are the same. No matter where you are, people want proof.

I use CACO, SMD, CA, D4S, DSBP, and the Realm. All of which are very similar formats as it is hard to mix up one basic concept. No matter where you go, you need verification before you can sell.

*Directed at no one in particular, just wanted to make a statement...*

[SnoopySnooper1]

That was an ignorant statement on my part way back when...

For 900.00, yes you can break a 150, you just need to have the exact optimal enclosure for your vehicle, tune to 65hz, then get the biggest amp you can for a 2 second burp... lol, not very fun.

And I don't normally call people out, but a 147 on music is loud. REALLY loud. Unless your mic is in the port maybe? But to do a 147 on music, you are going to need more than two Alpine Type-R's in an ordinary slot-port enclosure, off of 400 watts a piece, coming off of a single Deka 9a31. It's going to take a Term-Lab meter video to convince me otherwise.
i was mistaken it wasnt even my type rs that did a 147. my psi in a burp box on a tone on my ma hk4k did a 147 on a tl

and yea CACO is kinda gay sometimes, but i enjoy it, alot of knlegeable people there

the username rule is kind dumb but there for a reason, they are just tring to cut down on scamming, that SMD and ca.com has alot of

i understand where they are comming form

a new caraudio site from JP is sweet though, down4sound is nice

[SnoopySnooper1]

i havent even got my type rs metered yet, i want to put 1500 rms to the pair, my deka isnt even in yet :(

[SnoopySnooper1]

Admins don't do it, because they are admins. If you follow the rules then honestly you'll have no problem. Just like any site or any listing anywhere. You are correct, it's all the same. I'm not going to feel too comfortable buying from someone that could have just copied a picture from someone's build log or something and just take his or her "word" for it. It's hard for an admin to run, but the way some people turn to shit on online sales is just horrible.

But you'll have naysayers for every website. I tell other Alero owners on the audio forums I frequent about Aleromod and they cry about some dude named "Cherry something" picking on them, so they left. Other people cry about needing to require a minimum post count on certain sites to have access to certain features. Some sites have too many advertisements so it clutters the screen...

Today, there are just too many more people with internet access as there are people who are honest. Scams are very common as apparently people are starting to find ways around paypal anymore... The biggest thing I see about CACO is that they make it VERY convenient in searching for what you want as they divide their stuff up as to what category, type, size, etc. You don't find that as you search through pages of shit everywhere else. (for the most part.) Regardless, 99% of the rules are the same. No matter where you are, people want proof.

I use CACO, SMD, CA, D4S, DSBP, and the Realm. All of which are very similar formats as it is hard to mix up one basic concept. No matter where you go, you need verification before you can sell.

*Directed at no one in particular, just wanted to make a statement...*
you are the man, couldnt have saidf it better myself, and its nuts im on CACO, ca, d4s and used to be on smd, but i think meade is too cokcy for his own good now and is too in it for the monewyt and for some reason thinks hes the caraudio god

dont get me wrong, his shit is raw and his truck is dope, but come on, sooo many people doing it bigger ythan him

ie, tommie mckinnie, frankie rio, bob pirillo etc