Help me pick a tire [Archive]

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 09:27 PM

So I fell through on my last tire purchase. I need new tires. they need to be 225/50/16 or thinner sidewall: What I'm looking for
(1)DW and maybe even S
(2)Performance, with high speed rating
(3)Aggressive looking
(4)good handling (sticky)
(5)good tread wear

Any Ideas?

meadus101

10-12-2009, 09:29 PM

Heard alot about the Khumo Escta Line.

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 09:34 PM

you can stretch a 205 tire to a 225 rim right?

I'd have to guess so if the drift cars can do this
http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/stretched_tire-560x418.png
http://www.7tune.com/wp-content/gallery/hippari_tire/hippari_tire1.jpg

CactusWill

10-12-2009, 09:35 PM

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=Traction+T%2FA+V&partnum=25VR6TTA&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Get em while they're hot son.

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 09:39 PM

/\/\ Damn those are ugly

Vic28

10-12-2009, 09:40 PM

/\/\ Damn those are ugly
are you dating the tire??

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 09:43 PM

almost :lol: IDK I just think a tire can make or break a car, I thought alot of people were like that, maybe I'm the only one

Nate's Alero

10-12-2009, 10:02 PM

kumho estica!!!

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 10:04 PM

I think thats what I'm going to go with, but I might try and stretch a 205/40/r16 on rather than a 225/50/r16

... or maybe even a 195/50R16

Nate's Alero

10-12-2009, 10:05 PM

I think thats what I'm going to go with, but I might try and stretch a 205/40/r16 on rather than a 225/50/r16

you're an idiot if you do that....

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 10:06 PM

y do you say that

Vic28

10-12-2009, 10:21 PM

I think you want a vdub :lol: .. .First you wont get the look of stretch with those tire size. 2nd you will need hella wide rims lol. 3rd stretching tire is not that smart.. and 4th(for the record) learn what will change by you changing the overall diameter of tires.
Shit I thought you were smarter with the skills that you have engine wise and stuf...

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 10:32 PM

haha I never said I was smart :lol:

But I don't plan on having a HUGE stretch. very mild. I just think I t would be something different. Thats how I make half my money is coming up with weird ideas, sometimes they work sometime they don't. But it's just an idea.

... And I'm more fueled by the fact I have never tried to do it.
We will see where I'm at in a few days when the credit card actually comes out and gives it's opinion

and Fyi: Formula 1 stretches tires - so it is a proven design (not saying my car is anywhere near formula1 :lol:)

[ion] C2

10-12-2009, 10:33 PM

I thought you wanted traction and performance... stretching a tiny tire isn't going to give you the best surface contact or safety. You want the fattest tire you can fit.

Here's the tire you want. I'd never get anything else now that I have them.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bfg/bfg_gforce_ta_kdw2_1000.jpg

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 10:37 PM

And see all I needed was ION to make me not want to do it, Those are some BADASS tires, You like the feel of them Ion? They stick good in the rain?

[ion] C2

10-12-2009, 10:50 PM

Fuck yeah they do. I had them put on during the rain and noticed a MASSIVE increase in grip. I actually thought something was wrong with my car haha. Super sticky. Amazing performance.

Key feature
Dry
Wet

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 10:53 PM

Sweet, How's the noise, little research shows that some people complain others don't mind. As long as they don't sound like super swampers going down the road I'll be fine.

131$ ea, going to order on wed

[ion] C2

10-12-2009, 10:54 PM

Ha, it sounded sweet when I first got them. And then you get used to it and don't notice it. People who complain about them are pussies. They aren't that noticeable.

CactusWill

10-12-2009, 11:05 PM

/\/\ Damn those are ugly

If you knew anything about tires than you would know when to not be a homo and appreciate something manly.

And, theres a problem with KDW tires when you live in the north. THEY ARE SUMMER TIRES. If you need to drive in the snow with a K series BF goodrich tire, you need KDWS tires. K-Dry-Wet-Snow

Vic28

10-12-2009, 11:12 PM

If you knew anything about tires than you would know when to not be a homo and appreciate something manly.

And, theres a problem with KDW tires when you live in the north. THEY ARE SUMMER TIRES. If you need to drive in the snow with a K series BF goodrich tire, you need KDWS tires. K-Dry-Wet-Snow
You tell em lol... Im a BFG fan myself, gearhead plus thats what I sell lol. I cant believe those traction t/a are going for that price, a damn steal. I would go for the SuperSport A/S right now if he dont mind bigger tag price.

bkathsalero

10-12-2009, 11:15 PM

I drive my alero like 4 times in the winter, thats why I sad maybe even snow :lol:

Ryan from Ohio

10-12-2009, 11:20 PM

http://bluestreaktire.com/

Get the Stilleto- the tire on the right.

Best damned tire for the money Ive ever bought.

[ion] C2

10-12-2009, 11:21 PM

And, theres a problem with KDW tires when you live in the north. THEY ARE SUMMER TIRES.
So? :ninja:
http://ion-productions.com/kdwSnow.jpg
Yes, my car, last winter, rocked KDW all the way through. I do not recommend it. lol.

The KDWS tires are ratted horrendously in all categories. If you do want performance in the winter, get Blizzaks, otherwise if you want an "everything but snow" performance tire, the KDW is where it's at.

cherrington17

10-13-2009, 12:06 AM

blizzaks are expensive!

Vella's Alero

10-13-2009, 12:30 AM

if its mainly for summer the riken raptor zr line is amazing for the price. I noticed huge difference with them and they stick like velcro to the roads during the rainy reason. Still have to wait until the snow hits before i can say anything to that effect but i heard they are good then too.

99alerogirl

10-13-2009, 01:06 AM

falken azenis.

jabartram

10-13-2009, 01:08 AM

falken azenis.

YES, rt615's they are what i run and are sticky as hell!

i have run cooper zeon 2xs, bfg kdw's and the azenis rt615 put them all to shame.

jayson_waltz

10-13-2009, 01:32 AM

ion's tires would be best bet for summer driving. but if you drove all winter i'd highly recommend winterforce, they are absolutely amazing in the winter. seriously have never drove a car with better tires than winterforce in the winter.

Cliff8928

10-13-2009, 03:31 AM

C2;500883']
The KDWS tires are ratted horrendously in all categories. If you do want performance in the winter, get Blizzaks, otherwise if you want an "everything but snow" performance tire, the KDW is where it's at.

Those were the stock tires on the GTO, they definitely left something to be desired.

The Continentals I have on the Alero are great for 4-season driving, the best high performance all season in the snow. The Goodyears Eagle F1 GS-D3 I have are good for the summer. They were one of the top choices, but there's been better since, although not too much better in the wet weather. They do have the look down though

misslindseysue

10-13-2009, 08:56 AM

surreal_awakening

10-13-2009, 09:08 AM

KDW-2's are an old tire (also the only thing I've heard people complain about them is the noise). They're good, but not the best out there anymore. I just got a set of Hankook Ventus V12 Evo's. $86/tire in 205/45R17, with a $50 rebate on 4. Car and Driver only rated one tire better than those Hankooks: the Dunlop Direza Star Spec. The Dunlops have about 2/3 the tread rating as the Hankooks.
If you want a great performing all season, go for the BFG F1 all seasons.

How do you like the Ventus V12's? I was running Ventus HRII H405 I think on the Alero and I loved them. Excellent value. The V12's are definitely rated well. I'm looking for new tires for my Caliber since the factory installed Firestones are noisy as hell and don't handle very well. The V12's are supposed to be both quiet and have good handling. I'm interested in your take on them.

CactusWill

10-13-2009, 09:17 AM

C2;500883']Yes, my car, last winter, rocked KDW all the way through. I do not recommend it. lol.

The KDWS tires are ratted horrendously in all categories. If you do want performance in the winter, get Blizzaks, otherwise if you want an "everything but snow" performance tire, the KDW is where it's at.

Well, I bought a set of KDWS when they first came out over 8 years ago, and they were 10x better than the goodyear F1's that got replaced. If they were good back then than I can't see how they would be bad now....

bkathsalero

10-13-2009, 09:34 AM

So after looking at all the recommended tires, Here is the 3 I'm trying to choose from so far
(1)BF Goodrich G-force T/A KDW-2
(2)Falken Azenis RT615
(3)Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3

JLw7123

10-13-2009, 12:11 PM

get the falken

[ion] C2

10-13-2009, 02:32 PM

I've heard Azenis and Eagle F1 both are total garbage... so... you can't go by what anyone says I guess. All tires have people on both sides.. but I'd listen to people who've actually had the tires they're suggesting.

Those were the stock tires on the GTO, they definitely left something to be desired.
Yeah, treadwear and snow performance.. lol

jabartram

10-13-2009, 04:16 PM

Garbage I doubt it, mine stick better than my kdws ever wanted to. And I have run both.

[ion] C2

10-13-2009, 04:38 PM

All I know is a guy I know at the shop ran Azenis and he absolutely hated them. http://xceedspeed.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif

misslindseysue

10-13-2009, 05:05 PM

Azenis were the thing to have for autocross the past couple years. Now, not so much. Dunlops or Yokos.

I know a lot of people with MINIs who have the KDW-2's and love them. The Eagle F1 is what people who want really good all-seasons run and I haven't heard any complaints.

As for my Hankooks - too soon to make a real judgment, being just barely broken in, but so far they're nice and quiet and seem to perform well both in the rain and dry fast twisty stuff. Best thing for me is ride comfort - 10x better than the runflats.

kwhauck

10-13-2009, 06:12 PM

get some potenzas and call it good.....

jabartram

10-13-2009, 07:42 PM

all i can say is my rt615s have been tortured and they "to me" are fantastic very confident tires.

Blktrax

10-13-2009, 09:43 PM

BAM - My wheel bearings hate me.
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/yokohama/yo_advan_a048_ci2_l.jpg

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=ADVAN+A048&partnum=245WR6048MH&i1_Qty=4

Yokohama ADVAN A048
225/45R16
Blackwall Medium Hard Compound Serv. Desc: 89W
Price: $219.00 (each)

Had the Falken 615's great tire. Then I found this.

bkathsalero

10-13-2009, 09:46 PM

yea the problem with those tires is we have rain here :lol:

Blktrax

10-13-2009, 10:06 PM

yea the problem with those tires is we have rain here :lol:

I just:

a) Slowdown
b) Drive the Jeep.

http://orz.4chan.org/wg/thumb/1255471167895s.jpg

JLw7123

10-14-2009, 10:13 AM

Blktrax

10-14-2009, 12:28 PM

get some hankook k106 radials they get great grip in the rain I had them on my old alero.http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/tires/hankook/product/submitProductSize.do?pc=11790&typ=Passenger%2FPerformance&tmn=Radial+K106

Not a bad choice, IF the Falken 615's arnt in the budget, a fellow mechanic was using these on this SRT-4 at less than $100 a tire, you can afford to smoke em once and a while.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/hankook/hk_ventus_rs2z212_ci2_l.jpg

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+R-S2&partnum=05WR6Z212&i1_Qty=4

Hankook Ventus R-S2 (Extreme Performance Summer)
Size: 205/50ZR16
Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 87W
UTQG: Treadwear: 200
Traction: AA
Temperature: A200 AA A
Orig. Price: $95.00 ea.
$68.00
Closeout

Estimated Availability:
In Stock

Theyre on close out because they're being replaced with these. (basicly for the autocorss crowd like me)
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/hankook/hk_ventusrs3_ci2_l.jpg
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+R-S3

Hankook Ventus R-S3 (Extreme Performance Summer)
Size: 225/50ZR16
Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 92W
UTQG: Treadwear: 140
Traction: A
Temperature: A140 A A
Price: $112.00 (each)

Estimated Availability:
In Stock
Optional Road Hazard Program: additional $13.44 per tire

Cliff8928

10-15-2009, 01:39 AM

C2;501034']I've heard Azenis and Eagle F1 both are total garbage... so... you can't go by what anyone says I guess. All tires have people on both sides.. but I'd listen to people who've actually had the tires they're suggesting.

The Azenis totally OWN most Solo 2 events. Just don't drive them in the rain.

I've had 2 sets of Eagle F1 GS-D3. They were both good. The rain traction is outstanding, and the treadwear seems good too..

You have to be fairly specific when referring to a "Eagle F1" because there have been MANY different variants over the years. There's currently 3 sets of F1s here at the house, The GS-D3 on the beretta, the all-season on the STS (these are VERY sensitive to tire pressure!) and the Supercar for the Benz.

jabartram

10-15-2009, 08:29 AM

my 615s are decent in the rain, the kdws are far better in the rain though. but i dont hairpin in the rain either.

zzyzzx

10-15-2009, 11:45 AM

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/home.do

Cheaper than tire rack.

Atmosphere

10-15-2009, 10:02 PM

I'm gonna need a new set pretty soon too.

Rain and snow ftl.

Blktrax

10-15-2009, 11:14 PM

I'm gonna need a new set pretty soon too.

Rain and snow ftl.

Awesome rain and snow, had these on the car when I got it. 40k and still more than 3/32 tread left. Really look good on the stock rims too.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/michelin/mi_pilot_exalto_as_ci2_l.jpg

Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S (High Performance All-Season)
Size: 225/50R16
Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 92V
UTQG: Treadwear: 400
Traction: A
Temperature: A400 A A
Price: $119.00 (each) Special

Estimated Availability:
In Stock