Sway bar group buy?

[bentiac]

Anyone interested in a 3rd Speedbuilt group buy? I missed the 1st and the 2nd group buy and wonder if there is anyone else out there who would want this? If so I'll contact them and also get some GA owners to join in.

If not .... someone please sell me their rear sway bar... if you are not autocrossing or going to the track you probably don't need it :p

Moderator edit -

Have at it guys:

Speedbuilt Sway Bar Pre-Order for 1999-2005 Grand Am and Alero (http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GA4010/GA/Speedbuilt+Sway+Bar+Pre-Order+for+1999-2005+Grand+Am+and+Alero.html)

[kwhauck]

did you get the front one?

[heineck]

I'd be in for a set

[colonel6632]

get some costs. i dont need one, but they look bad ass to have lol

[bentiac]

did you get the front one?

Yeah got them, thanks. Will try to get the rear ones and put them on together though.

[bentiac]

Last group buy was $144 for 1 and $288 for 2. I'll email PFYC and MP racing now to see if they are willing to do it.

[alerored04]

They are going to want all of it up front before they do anything. They got hosed the last time because of non payment. You will need 20 orders for each bar and a way to hold everyone's cash since they will want a lump payment when they place the order. It's not gonna happen. Ill sell you mine for $500. lol.

[bentiac]

That sounds impossible now :D.

Just saw a picture of them... are the front and rear exactly the same shape and size except for the thickness? Anyone who has both should know.

[alerored04]

I don't think they are. You could check with your stock front and hold it up to the rear and see.

[bentiac]

Okay good news... Mark from MP is willing to help if we can get enough people interested. Please post here if you are interested and I will post this on the GA forum too:

I would be glad to help with this however my main interest is to make it
so that there will be bars available for the whole community as a result
of a group buy. We have already talked to Addco and they dont have the
ability to make such for us. They did give us contact info for Eibach,
Hotchkis and a few other potential manufacturers. As for having
Speedbuilt make them... this seems near impossible due to the only
contact for them being PFYC and PFYC already told us the only way they
would do it is if we have 20 of each paid for up front. Addco was going
to just make 10 of each at their own cost and sell them through us (MP
Racing) but obviously that did not work out due to them not being able
to work out the bends properly with their equipment.

If you can drum up enough interest in this (10-15 people with money in
hand) I will gladly start making contact with the afore mentioned
companies and see what we can work out.

Please keep me up to date about this and I will do everything possible
to make this happen.


Regards,

Mark Pettersen
Owner of MP Racing
www.mpracing.org

[Nate's Alero]

hmmm. i'd be in...

[mscottc]

hmm... i might be in

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

If I didn't JUST replace my busted OEM one with a new OEM one, I'd be in. what a punch in the balls. :(

[Caboose73]

Put me in for a front and rear

[mrmike]

I'd go for a rear sway bar.

[guiguilandry]

front and rear for my black winter alero... I love them on my red one I got the cash in hand

[KenshinZero]

Im up for a set.

[JLw7123]

i might be interested.

[bentiac]

Great to see people interested. So far the list is:

1)heineck F&R
2)Nate's Alero F&R
3)Caboose73 F&R
4)mrmike R
5)guiguilandry F&R
6)kenshinzero F&R
7)Bentiac R

Unsure:
Colonel6632
mscottc
JLw7123
a4d2a0m

I'll get the list from GA owners and let Mike know once the number reaches ~15

[a4d2a0m]

once we get an official price, but I am very interested.

[colonel6632]

i would also like to know an official price, than i can say yes or no. i would really like a set. can we get pictures of what they look like?

[bentiac]

I registered for the grandamgt forum 2 days ago and I'm still in the activation queue... are they always this slow? Need to post this there too.

[lvemy3100]

from my previous research expect cost on 1 bar to be anywhere from 125-200 depending on the manufacturer and how quick they think they will be able to sell them..

in order to get a price set in stone we are going to need prospective manufacturers see that we (the Nbody community) have a real need and want for these bars and that they wont be wasting their time in having them made.

[jabartram]

anyway to get them to design adjustable swaybars for front and rear?

[lvemy3100]

I am sure it cant hurt to ask... however I would say the chances arent that great considering how our luck has been so far with just getting the standard oversized bars made.

I certainly will look into it though ;)

[Oldsnut]

I bought the front sway bar on the last group buy and I am as happy as a Pig in Shit with how it performs. I might be interested in a rear depending on the final price.

[01GrandAm]

I might be in as long as we don't have MPR as the middle man... we saw how the group buy went with the turbo headers.

[heineck]

hope we can get sumthing rolling here

[lvemy3100]

I might be in as long as we don't have MPR as the middle man... we saw how the group buy went with the turbo headers.

Yea s&s ripped off everyone and closed shop and I am paying them all back out of my own pocket. So how was I or anyone else supposed to know what s&s was going to do? Also how is that my fault?

I have been serving this community for over 5 years now and the only issue to date is the ordeal with s&s. I dont recall you doing anything for the community in that time so as far as I'm concerned if you don't want in on this then that is your problem.

[WhiteV6]

:popcorn:

[KenshinZero]

What kind of sizes are we looking at? Lager bar = better handeling ftw

[bentiac]

Well larger bar does not always = better handling on our cars as you probably want some independence side to side. The speedbuilt I believe was 28.6 F and 22.4 R... I would be happier with a thicker R like 29 F and 24R.

Also let's not bring up past blames as Mark is trying to help us get this done.

Could anyone post this on the grandamgt forum as it seems like their admin is ignoring my activation.

Cheers,

[mfuller]

If anyone has a problem with Mark/MPRacing or anyone else acting as an intermediary, I will gladly volunteer my services.
There are many people here who I'm sure will vouch for my trustworthiness and character.
The Speedbuilt bars were 28.6mm F (1.125") and 22.2mm R (7/8"). The car is very neutral with both bars, and I'm happy to give "Oh, snot!" rides when the weather warms up here in northern IL.

[lord2heart]

question, what do you mean when it gives the car a neutral handling? does it mean whether it gives it more of an over-steer or under-steer?

[bentiac]

He means it almost neither oversteers or understeers but it depends on your input too... I prefer a little oversteer... A FWD car with a loose ass is always fun.

[bentiac]

Nice link:

http://buildafastercar.com/tech/Sway-Bar-Rate-Calculator

[bentiac]

Does anyone know how speedbuilt manufactured these? Is there a blue print?

[Malibu369258]

Could anyone post this on the grandamgt forum as it seems like their admin is ignoring my activation.

I registered also, not to long ago, and no activation yet.

It would be nice to get some swaybars going again for the N-body community.

[bentiac]

We need to:

1) Get more people show interest on the GrandAM side
2) Decide who the middle man would be. I'm fine with MP racing doing this but some people seem to be unhappy.
3) Send the orders and be patient.

If this doesn't take off, I'll either buy a 3 piece swaybar (less likely) or order through a custom sway bar builder I found. You send them the OEM sway bars and $200 and wait for 6 month ... they'll send you back a thicker version... I've seen a few pics of their work and it looks good.

[Noseminer]

I might be interested, just need to know what the price is for a set.

[colonel6632]

if we can get a discound if we buy front and back, or something. i'm looking in the around 300 or less. if so i'll buy

[mfuller]

......A FWD car with a loose ass is always fun.
True, but it's usually not the fastest way around a track.

[bentiac]

I have contacted a few other people and custom makers but no useful replies yet. Mark, are you still on this thread?

[lvemy3100]

bringing this back from the dead to let the OP that yes I am still around and saw his last post.

I am still more than willing to help with this and still have a set of stock sways to send off to whatever company is willing to work with us. That is of course if mfuller doesn't mind since they are his bars (I've had em sitting here since Addco sent them back to me)

[lastryghts]

I also have my stock bars that can be sent in if needed

[lvemy3100]

So after talking with them earlier this morning it looks like Eibach is willing to help us out with these. I will keep everyone updated in this thread as info is available. :)

[lvemy3100]

Well they apparently are working on this with a quickness as they already got back to me. Looks like we are going to need to get a group buy going. They are asking for a minimum order of 25 of each bar.

Bars will be 28.6mm (solid) Front and 22.2mm Rear (solid).

I will post pricing as soon as they can get it to me.

[Cliff8928]

How does that compare to the speedbuilt ones?

[irondiezl3]

what are the factory bars specs? according to delcos part search there is 18 22 and 24?

[sleepyalero]

Thread revival! :lol:

[hok666]

yea, is this ever going to happen?

[mfuller]

Doubtful.

[clouseau]

Count me in for a set!

[hok666]

I would be in for a set when I get hired in full time at the metal shop im at...

[jabartram]

this died when only a small portion of the people actually paid the money. those of us that paid got refunded.

[hok666]

damm I would still be in for a set in about a year or so.. when ever I get hired on full time

[BlueLego]

i'm interested, i just need to know the price. if anything i definately want a rear one. pisses me off that i can bend that POS with my hands

[Amun Ra]

Is this still open? I wanted to get new bars since i'm re-doing the whole suspension...

[zearchyo]

bump

[03Sleepr]

prices for front and rear? I'd be in for a set if its reasonable..

[roadie]

I'm looking for a set of front and rear upgraded sway bars as well

[billytheman1188]

lol....brought back from the dead.....im ALWAYS looking for the sway bars so whenever someone wants to start up a buy.....count me in.....but this prob wont happen ;)

[adrian13]

Same here. I was in the last group buy with Mark of MP Racing in unitedmalibus.com but it never went through...

[unchained01]

i am in too ,but 25 of each is alittle too mch for this forum maybe 10 of each could get this going if matt wants to get some info from addco or eibach

[Papa Rad17]

I would be in if someone gets it going.

[Amun Ra]

I'm in on the set... where does that put us?

[unchained01]

i think 8 right now but its close to christmas again
i am in no matter what !!
even if i have to buy 2 sets and sell them later
just to get this going

[billytheman1188]

i think 8 right now but its close to christmas again
i am in no matter what !!
even if i have to buy 2 sets and sell them later
just to get this going

agreed.....LETS DO THIS!!!

[Shiwnath]

In January after my Visa is cleared I'm in.

[mfuller]

I have made an inquiry to Vertical Stores (aka PartsForYourCar) to see if they have any interest in partnering with this project request.
As far as I am concerned, they were responsible for marketing the only swaybars for this platform that I'd ever recommend (I have had two different sets over the years, and one set is still installed on my car). I have no idea who their manufacturing partner is.
I will let you all know what I find out, but no promises.

[Papa Rad17]

^sweet! I'm going to drop in some strut bars with my lowering springs next month so these would great to go along with it. LETS GET UR DONE!

[tw0123]

I would be in for a front bar if we can get the price at or around $150... I know its a long shot, but that is my tight budget right now...
Good luck Matt, I hope you can get somewhere with them...

[billytheman1188]

I have made an inquiry to Vertical Stores (aka PartsForYourCar) to see if they have any interest in partnering with this project request.
As far as I am concerned, they were responsible for marketing the only swaybars for this platform that I'd ever recommend (I have had two different sets over the years, and one set is still installed on my car). I have no idea who their manufacturing partner is.
I will let you all know what I find out, but no promises.

Thank you Matt....really appreciate it. Like i said i will buy 2 sets if i HAVE to. Just wanna get some GOOD sway bars on my car....too much roll around turns

[unchained01]

I asked matt to be intermediary yesterday since nothing happened at the last time and i will buy a few sets too just to make this happen also .
If this does happen there will be strict guidelines
and a 100 percent chance you will pay up front and wait For those of you who want cheap i dont think it will happen without a larger number of sets being made , so a smaller run WILL be more expensive per unit

Also i seriously doubt you would be able to buy just one front or one rear So lets make this easy and make it SETS

[mfuller]

Here is today's reply from Brian @ PFYC:

Hi Matthew:

If the company who made them is even still willing to do it, the last time we checked several years ago they required an order of 25 bars in order to do it. We'd probably not be willing to even attempt it unless we got a full 25 pre-paid (in full, non cancellable) orders. I wouldn't think that'd be easy these days.

And my response:

Brian:

Would you be willing to either contact the manafacturer or provide a contact name/number for me to directly contact them?
I understand that for the project to be worth their while, they would require a substantial committment.
I guess the first step is to find out if they'd even do it.
Kindly let me know.

Matt

[unchained01]

Thanks very much Matt !

[Shiwnath]

Well someone should post up on www.grandamgt.com, http://www.gaownersclub.com/ and the malibu sites to get more then just us.

Also on a side note, how will we be pre-ordering? I assume when we have enough guys with cash in hand, the guys from PFYC will have a swaybar pre-order purchase set up in their store correct? I've never done a group buy so I don't really know what to expect lol.

Edit: Maybe there should be some sort of poll made for people who are in on this so that it's easier to keep track rather than having of a list of people that has to be constantly updated. That way it would be more organized. Just a thought.

[tw0123]

Also i seriously doubt you would be able to buy just one front or one rear So lets make this easy and make it SETS

I understand your point on this, however I do know that some people have been able to get one or the other and just need the complimentary bar... I have a rear, and need a front, Bentiac, who started this thread, has a front and needs a rear... so between the 2 of us, that would make a complete set... I think if you rule us out because we only need 1 bar is highly unfair and will hold out on a set being spoken and paid for especially when it is a minimum of 25 of EACH bar, not 25 sets... so if you can guarantee one or the other, why hold that against the people who are willing to commit and pay for the bar they need?

[adrian13]

I'm willing to give this another try. I'm in only for the rear swaybar. I had purchased the last front swaybar through PFYC a few years ago. The company that they had went through is speedbuilt.

How this worked (not really) last time with the group buy was that everyone gave their money to Mark of MP Racing and he held the money insisting that Eibach was going to make the swaybar for the N-body. Through a few months of not enough serious buyers he gave money back or accepted store credit. I think that we should give maybe PFYC the money (if they're willing) and have them get the savings/transactions going.

[Papa Rad17]

I'm in for sure. with all the other suspension work im doing these would be great. I need a full set, and my buddy who also has an alero would probably be in for it to. id REALLY like to see this happen

[mfuller]

I don't know yet how any of this is going to work, but the first thing to do is see if the manfacturer will accept the project. Then if we have a positive response, I will work out the details on how payment with be made with the vendor (be it through PFYC or directly to the manufacturer).
I will not be posting on other forums until we get a positive response from the manufacturer.

[unchained01]

I wasnt singling anyone out i was just trying to make it alittle easier thats all I WANT THIS TO THRU TOO !! thats wht i am committed like Billy to buying more than i need to help. So I am sorry if i stepped on anyones toes here

[mfuller]

Reply from Brian @ PFYC:

Matt, I'm in contact with our manufacturer and should have some more details maybe early to mid next week on the requirements and costs involved.

Thank you.

[hok666]

cool cant wait, well... Im going to have to until I make more money..:(

[billytheman1188]

cool cant wait, well... Im going to have to until I make more money..:(

start saving...we need everyone we can get.

[alerored04]

Good luck guys. I tried this once before and only about five of almost thirty people came through in the end. I hope you have better luck than I did.

[mfuller]

I think that if the manufacturer and the vendor gives us a go, we ae going to put a fairly strict time limit on this - I will not let this string out over 6 months. If people want in, they'll have to pony up quick. It isn't fair to anyone to take a month to get all the orders and funding together.
We should consider ourselves fortunate that PFYC is even talking to their manufacturing partner.

[03Sleepr]

I guess I'll start saving and see what I can come up with, has anybody posted this on any malibu clubs or gaoc? we could get some interest there..

[Papa Rad17]

wow, thanks to you guys for taking the initiative and getting the ball rolling. as long as they arent some sort of crazy ridiculous price im in!

[tw0123]

I wasnt singling anyone out i was just trying to make it alittle easier thats all I WANT THIS TO THRU TOO !! thats wht i am committed like Billy to buying more than i need to help. So I am sorry if i stepped on anyones toes here


all good man, I just had to point out my opinion as well, seeing as I would have been excluded from the deal... I wish I had the resources to buy multiple sets, just to ensure this could happen... I really appreciate you and Billy offering to buy more to make it happen... I just hope I can get enough saved for the front bar in time.

Having said that, just out of curiosity, why did we do this before Christmas, instead of tax refund season when people generally have a bit of a return coming?? lol... :p

[billytheman1188]

I think that if the manufacturer and the vendor gives us a go, we ae going to put a fairly strict time limit on this - I will not let this string out over 6 months. If people want in, they'll have to pony up quick. It isn't fair to anyone to take a month to get all the orders and funding together.
We should consider ourselves fortunate that PFYC is even talking to their manufacturing partner.

I 100% agree....START SAVING NOW PEOPLE!!

[Papa Rad17]

about how much should I start saving?

[xbxradxsx]

Once again, I'll throw this out there. Anyone debating these, I deff. recommend. One of the best upgrades I've done.


Hell, I really wish I had the money now to buy like 10 or so myself for future people that'd want them....

[billytheman1188]

Once again, I'll throw this out there. Anyone debating these, I deff. recommend. One of the best upgrades I've done.

Nice!:scpimp:

[mfuller]

about how much should I start saving?
Based on what they previously sold for, anywhere from roughly $150 to $200 per bar. But don't hold me to that.

[unchained01]

Racing/Ricing season is over so things are slow for this type of business and they would be more receptive to small runs when they have more time And with more time we will get a superior product Also theses things dont start right away this is the lead time ( usually 30 to 60 days) needed to "get in line " for a small run

WE have a alot better chance now than we would in april to september

thats why i waited

Also ask on any forum GAGT 60degreev6 GAOC Jbody etc This is one of the best handling performance mods you can do for this platform for the money
You will very happy with the results

[colonel6632]

good chance im in

[xXManwhoreXx]

Im down the aleros about to get stupid soon

[tw0123]

Racing/Ricing season is over so things are slow for this type of business and they would be more receptive to small runs when they have more time And with more time we will get a superior product Also theses things dont start right away this is the lead time ( usually 30 to 60 days) needed to "get in line " for a small run
WE have a alot better chance now than we would in april to september
thats why i waited

Fair enough, never really thought about the "off season" factor... It makes perfect sense to get in the odd parts for a smaller production run when they are not as busy doing the mainstream stuff... Also the timeline of 30-60 days should give people enough time to plan... If you cant save $200/bar then, hope someone can buy some extra's lol... I know it will be tight even for me, but I hope to be able to get 1 bar... I also know being a Canadian, it will be closer to $350 with the extra shipping and duties we suffer from...

[xXManwhoreXx]

Tw why do you only want the front. For my other cars I have had sway bars on, the rear was really where I noticed the difference

[Shiwnath]

...I have a rear, and need a front, Bentiac, who started this thread, has a front and needs a rear... so between the 2 of us, that would make a complete set....

Thats why he only wants a front only.

[mmorello82]

Ok. So I have factory on the front and rear. Will I really notice a big difference? If I do, I'd be in too.

[billytheman1188]

Ok. So I have factory on the front and rear. Will I really notice a big difference? If I do, I'd be in too.

YES....as said in the posts before you....this is one of the best/most noticeable mods you can do to our cars. The stock sway bars SUCK....and they bend/twist easy.....these new ones are a lot stiffer and will help with "sway" while turning.

We need everyone we can get....BUT if you say your in....PLEASE stick with it.....dont back out last second....cause there are a lot of people depending on you to buy that set....every person counts.


Also....i though maybe if we couldnt get a CRAZY amount of people....would the people that want the bars be willing to pay a little more? so we can get this done....if this doesnt get done i will be looking elsewhere for some custom sway bars. Words cant describe how bad i want a set!

[03Sleepr]

Can we get a list started? I'm in 100%.

[billytheman1188]

Definite (8)

unchained
billytheman
papa rad
manwhore
amun ra
shiwnath
two (just front)
adrian


undetermined (4)

hok?
03sleeper?
colonel?
mmorello?

[Shiwnath]

Thats actually not too bad of a list so far considering that we havent mentioned anything to Grand Am and Malibu guys.

[03Sleepr]

You can throw me on the definite list

[billytheman1188]

Definite (11)

unchained
billytheman
papa rad
manwhore
amun ra
shiwnath
two (just front)
adrian
03sleeper?
mmorello
emncfi (front)


undetermined (2)

hok?
colonel?

[03glgold]

about how much would we be talking for a set of these...i want to eventually make the alero a handling pro but I am still a broke college kid

[billytheman1188]

about how much would we be talking for a set of these...i want to eventually make the alero a handling pro but I am still a broke college kid

edit.....150-200 per bar....

[03glgold]

well we will just have to see where it would fall together to make the order... I think the only way that I am going to be able to go for it is if the buy doesn't happen until the summer.

[emncfi]

I can be in for a definite, but as with two, I just need the front

[mmorello82]

I'm in. Just tell me when and a final price

[billytheman1188]

Definite (11)

unchained
billytheman
papa rad
manwhore (just rear)
amun ra
shiwnath
two (just front)
adrian
03sleeper
mmorello
emncfi (front)


undetermined (2)

hok?
colonel?

[xXManwhoreXx]

Im down but it depends when it happens this month no next month onward yes!


Also I only want the rear im trying to 3 wheel it

[sleepyalero]

Also I only want the rear im trying to 3 wheel it

typical... :D

[kwhauck]

All of you are in for SOOO much fun with the install of the front......

[billytheman1188]

All of you are in for SOOO much fun with the install of the front......

:lol:

[xbxradxsx]

All of you are in for SOOO much fun with the install of the front......

Lol, Yeah. You do the back first and think "there's no way the front can be as bad as they say......." Doing the front SUCKED, but don't let that turn yall away. You still see a difference with the front, just not quite as much as with the back. BUY THESE THINGS!!!

[mfuller]

All of you are in for SOOO much fun with the install of the front......
It's easy......just pay a mechanic to do it while you sit back and light up a Camel.

[kwhauck]

ewww gross, I can't stand to pay a mechanic, or smoking, both are disgusting.....

[mfuller]

ewww gross, I can't stand to pay a mechanic, or smoking, both are disgusting.....
It's just an expression. I don't smoke either.
But I know what jobs I can do and what's over my head.......changing the front swaybar involves dropping the front subframe, and that is over my head.

[kwhauck]

dropping the front subframe, and that is over my head.

Matt!!! You of all people should know not to drop a subframe with your head underneath it!!! :awesome:

[xXManwhoreXx]

Cant rep kwhauck must spread more rep

[Papa Rad17]

It's easy......just pay a mechanic to do it while you sit back and light up a Camel.

im 100% agreement with the above statement. that is all. :usa:

[xXManwhoreXx]

I looked under my car last night the rear wont be "to" bad the front would suck

[03glgold]

there are very few mechanics that i would allow to touch my vehicle...the last time i had a vehicle in the shop it was to put a new clutch in my truck and it took them three times to do it right

[tw0123]

Lol I have everything I need to get mine done... A case of beer, and a mechanic that lives next door... the beer is the bribe, after a couple he just starts working lol...

[Shiwnath]

If the front is too much of a PITA, then I'll probably install the rear myself and get the front done when I get my H&Rs on.

[adrian13]

You mean if the front is too much of a PUTA... and it really is.

[Shiwnath]

You mean if the front is too much of a PUTA... and it really is.

Pain
In
The
Ass

[kwhauck]

You mean if the front is too much of a PUTA... and it really is.

Pain
In
The
Ass

No, he ment PUTA, spanish for beotch.....

[Shiwnath]

No, he ment PUTA, spanish for beotch.....

I know what he meant. I think he thought I meant to say Puta, because he may not have known about the acronym PITA lol.

[mfuller]

Email from Brian @ PFYC today:

Matt, we've got the information and are still evaluating what to do with it.

If we do decide to take a shot at doing another run, we would end up needing a 50% deposit on at least 20 bars (or sets - we could do front only, rear only, or both but it would have to be 20 of each bar) to get it going. Do you think this is even a possibility from what you've seen?

I'll let you know when I know more.


And my response:

Brian:

I'm fairly confident that we could get together orders for 20 rear bars; especially if we advertise on other message boards. 20 front bars may be a bit of a stretch, but we'll see.
On the Alero message board alone, we have nearly a dozen people who would want in. Some have even suggested buying multiple bars to ensure that we meet a minimum order requirement, so there is a degree of committment here.

[billytheman1188]

Email from Brian @ PFYC today:

Matt, we've got the information and are still evaluating what to do with it.

If we do decide to take a shot at doing another run, we would end up needing a 50% deposit on at least 20 bars (or sets - we could do front only, rear only, or both but it would have to be 20 of each bar) to get it going. Do you think this is even a possibility from what you've seen?

I'll let you know when I know more.


And my response:

Brian:

I'm fairly confident that we could get together orders for 20 rear bars; especially if we advertise on other message boards. 20 front bars may be a bit of a stretch, but we'll see.
On the Alero message board alone, we have nearly a dozen people who would want in. Some have even suggested buying multiple bars to ensure that we meet a minimum order requirement, so there is a degree of committment here.

so 20 sets or 20 of each bar... i think we can hit the 20 mark if we get this on the GA forum, malibu forum....LETS DO THIS PEOPLE!!!! COME ON! Its been TOO LONG since we've had a group buy

[MMGT1]

I hope you guys can pull this off. Bars are a sweet upgrade, and I agree, installing them is no fun at all. Having to remove the torque mount at the back of the enging is a dam mess. Then, if you have headers, you are really up shits creek as you will have to remove the rear one to gain access to the bolt that goes through the torque mount. I spent 3 seventeen hour days installing full suspension kits on both my 2000 and my 99.... never again.... lol
Here is a pic taken close to the end of day two.... Im on the left, my brother-in-law on the right. Don't we look happy? Im working at taking the stub shaft apart in this one
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/MMGT1/99%20Grand%20Am%20SE2/99GrandAmFirstPicks044.jpg

[tw0123]

Matt, thank you so much for spearheading this... I truly hope we can get enough people together for this buy, and I really hope that we can get 20 commited for at least one type of bar this round... If we can get one group buy to work now, maybe next winter we could work on another one to get the other bar done if it does not work this time around...

[jabartram]

im in for a front bar if this can get going.

[03Sleepr]

If we can get some prices I might be able to swing two sets

[AleroB888]

No, he ment PUTA, spanish for beotch.....

What if the tranny is already out of the car? :p

[billytheman1188]

If we can get some prices I might be able to swing two sets

Based on what they previously sold for, anywhere from roughly $150 to $200 per bar. But don't hold me to that.

About $800

[unchained01]

Greg its alot easier with the trans out !! Is the motor out too. If so its so much easier.

[Shiwnath]

Just made a post on www.grandamgt.com.
Let me know if any of the info is incorrect. Check it out:
http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86509

[03Sleepr]

here a thread on 60v6, I know there isn't a lot of N-body support here but I figured it couldn't hurt. Maybe someone can pass this on to a Malibu forum?
http://60degreev6.com/forum/showthread.php/49489-N-Body-Sway-Bar-Group-Buy?p=448252#post448252

[<woj99>]

I will join for a front and rear bar. Leaving a deposit with PFYC is no problem, I have bought items from him before and he is a good seller.

Definite (12)

unchained
billytheman
papa rad
manwhore (just rear)
amun ra
shiwnath
two (just front)
adrian
03sleeper
mmorello
emncfi (front)
<woj99> (front + rear)

undetermined (2)

hok?
colonel?

[tw0123]

Definite (12)

unchained
billytheman
papa rad
manwhore (just rear)
amun ra
shiwnath
two (just front)
adrian
03sleeper
mmorello
emncfi (front)
<woj99> (front + rear)

undetermined (2)

hok?
colonel?

so far after Shiwnath posted over there, these members are interested.
GAGT members:
Cyclone GA (front & rear)
HOYS (rear)
eckoxl (front & rear)
young gun (front & rear, after christmas)
2000 GT Coupe (front & rear, if can pay in Feb)
locoman99 (front & rear)
dcuballa (front & rear, leaving for USMC basic in March, need before then)
blackhart7 (front & rear, in on previous buy had already paid)
Nick-G (front & rear)

That gives us a tentative 19 rear and 20 front just including these 2 sites... with the possibility of 60*V6 and Malibu united joining, plus Billy and Unchained willing to buy multiple sets, that would push us over the required 20 for each bar, if PFYC can get their supplier to make the bars for us...
I THINK WE CAN FINALLY GET THEM DONE!!!! good job guys, let's keep at it and see what happens!!:awesome:

[tw0123]

I have updated the list, now we have to wait to see what will happen over at PFYC. Matt, hopefully we will know more soon to get this rolling... with Nick being added, that brings us to 19 rear and 20 front, still with 2 members willing to buy multiple sets...
Thanks for the support everyone, hopefully we can see this materialize this time...

[Mike The Canadian]

I may be able to throw in for a rear as well!

[colonel6632]

i need to know prices before i can guarantee. but i would like a front and back

[Papa Rad17]

I talked to my buddy about it today, depending on price he might want a set. He'd have to know first. I'm still in though

[mfuller]

I sent a status email to Brian @ PFYC this morning:

Good morning Brian:

As with wildfire, the word that we are trying to get a run of anti-roll bars produced is spreading. Now that we have shared the potential with a few other message boards, we are looking at 19-20 front in addition to 19-20 rear bars, not counting members who have suggested they would buy multiple sets if needed. So I think we might be good on meeting the manufacturer's quantity request.
Kindly let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

Matt

[Shiwnath]

I sent a status email to Brian @ PFYC this morning:

Good morning Brian:

As with wildfire, the word that we are trying to get a run of anti-roll bars produced is spreading. Now that we have shared the potential with a few other message boards, we are looking at 19-20 front in addition to 19-20 rear bars, not counting members who have suggested they would buy multiple sets if needed. So I think we might be good on meeting the manufacturer's quantity request.
Kindly let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

Matt

Thanks for going through the trouble of doing this for us Matt.. It's very much appreciated.

[billytheman1188]

Nice! Now when we get a final count....if me and the other guy dont have to buy two sets then let us know. Money is tight right now....i CAN swing it....but if i dont have to i dont want to. Things are looking good though! SOOOOOO excited to get these on......NOT excited about all the work involved to get them on....but w/e. lol

[Papa Rad17]

This is gonna be legit

[tw0123]

lol who could ask for a better christmas present?? lol...
hopefully if we can get numbers up higher, they might be able to cut us a better deal (if possible) and that could guarantee a few more people to jump in...

[billytheman1188]

that could guarantee a few more people to jump in...


those people have had about 2 weeks now to start saving....if they cant then its their loss. Were lucky to even get this buy to 20 people....there are NO guarantees until we get 20 DEFINITE people....and by definite i mean MONEY IN....cause i've seen many group buys fall through....but hopefully this time we get it done.


Will these come with polyurethane bushings? I'm guessing yes.....but jw

[Shiwnath]

I posted on GAOC to get more people in on this.. So far 2 people say they're in.
www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147515

[tw0123]

Will these come with polyurethane bushings? I'm guessing yes.....but jw

I was wondering the same thing... I read the with the originals that some people were buying them separately... I hope they are included...

[<woj99>]

I was wondering the same thing... I read the with the originals that some people were buying them separately... I hope they are included...

I believe that polyurethane mid-point bushings were included for the front and rear, but to be reused with the stock brackets, so people were buying new brackets separately. Endlinks were not included.

[jabartram]

im in for a front bar if this can get going.

still in for a front bar.

[tw0123]

Definite (13)

unchained
billytheman
papa rad
manwhore (just rear)
amun ra
shiwnath
two (just front)
adrian
03sleeper
mmorello
emncfi (front)
<woj99> (front + rear)
jabatram (front)

undetermined (3)

hok?
colonel?
mike the canadian (rear)

so far after Shiwnath posted over there, these members are interested.
GAGT members:
Cyclone GA (front & rear)
HOYS (rear)
eckoxl (front & rear)
young gun (front & rear, after christmas)
2000 GT Coupe (front & rear, if can pay in Feb)
locoman99 (front & rear)
dcuballa (front & rear, leaving for USMC basic in March, need before then)
blackhart7 (front & rear, in on previous buy had already paid)
Nick-G (front & rear)
akeemjvasser (rear)
SilverGAGT2002 (front & rear)
grims01gt

[Papa Rad17]

Looking good so far, any word from the malibu forms?

[whitemexican]

Im down for a front and rear - Saw the post on the malibu forum but it doesnt seem to have any hits - got cash ready

[Papa Rad17]

do we have any more info? my bushings are starting to get really bad and I dont like the way my tires are wearing already but I dont want to get that fixed just to have to tear it all apart again to put this in. the soon we could this rolling would definitely be better :cool: keep us updated

[colonel6632]

do we have any more info? my bushings are starting to get really bad and I dont like the way my tires are wearing already but I dont want to get that fixed just to have to tear it all apart again to put this in. the soon we could this rolling would definitely be better :cool: keep us updated

if im correct... sway bar bushing shouldnt affect tire wear. i had my sway bars unhooked for 4 months due to the bushings being wore. i had no negative effects

[street_fire]

has there been a price that has been set in stone yet??? I'm kinda thinking of this but i want to do UIM and LIM or F-body brake upgrade. It depends of the price of these...

[tw0123]

nothing has been set in stone... wont be set in stone until Matt hears back from PFYC on if they will even do it... once they confirm they can do it, then we will have to wait to see what they need parts wise to make it, then a price will be established... From estimations, bank $200/bar + shipping and you should be safe...

[adrian13]

tw0123, I am only purchasing the rear sway bar.

[jabartram]

last time we did this the price was 225.00 shipped, but i had to get a refund due to not everybody paying up and the deal fell through, so no bars were produced.

[Papa Rad17]

It better not this time. I want them!

[hok666]

hopefully nothing over 300+shipping...

[unchained01]

Your not the only one !!! Lets just hope it goes thru and everyone pays

[tw0123]

Definite (13)

unchained
billytheman
papa rad
manwhore (just rear)
amun ra
shiwnath
two (just front)
adrian (just rear)
03sleeper
mmorello
emncfi (front)
<woj99> (front + rear)
jabatram (front)
whitemexican (front & rear)

undetermined (3)

hok?
colonel?
mike the canadian (rear)

so far after Shiwnath posted over there, these members are interested.
GAGT members:
Cyclone GA (front & rear)
HOYS (rear)
eckoxl (front & rear)
young gun (front & rear, after christmas)
2000 GT Coupe (front & rear, if can pay in Feb)
locoman99 (front & rear)
dcuballa (front & rear, leaving for USMC basic in March, need before then)
blackhart7 (front & rear, in on previous buy had already paid)
Nick-G (front & rear)
akeemjvasser (rear)
SilverGAGT2002 (front & rear)
grims01gt
HenryM (front & rear)
geldartb (rear)

[tw0123]

I really hope this works... Hok, my estimation of $300 was for us damn Canadians who have to pay the cross border shipping and duty fees on everything we get shipped... I like Jabatrams price of $225 shipped, but IIRC those were from Eibach last time... but I am not sure...

[<woj99>]

I really hope this works... Hok, my estimation of $300 was for us damn Canadians who have to pay the cross border shipping and duty fees on everything we get shipped... I like Jabatrams price of $225 shipped, but IIRC those were from Eibach last time... but I am not sure...

The last group buy attempted was to be for Eibach swaybars at $185 per bar + shipping: http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127800 (info at the bottom of post #1).

The previous successful group buy in 2008 through PFYC was for the Speedbuilt swaybars, and the cost for those was actually less at $139 per bar (not sure about shipping, but probably not included): http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87968.

[hok666]

I like the 139$ price for each plus shipping would be great for my budget.

But.. Don't count me in just yet.

[tw0123]

I agree the $139 price is better, but at the same time, that was 3 years ago, the market has completely changed, inflation has gone up, as have so many other factors... I still say be prepared for $200 + shipping, and this should give everyone a good buffer to play with to ensure our numbers do not drop when they announce the final price... this of course is providing they will even make them for us this time....

[tw0123]

I posted the list over on GAGT and young gun was annoyed at the messyness of it so he cleaned it up...

Front: (3)
Alero two
Alero emncfi
Alero jabatram

Rear: (5)
Alero manwhore
Alero adrian
GAGT HOYS
GAGT akeemjvasser
GAGT geldartb

Both: (20)
Alero Unchained
Alero billytheman
Alero papa rad
Alero amun ra
Alero shiwnath
Alero 03sleeper
Alero mmorello
Alero <woj99>
Alero whitemexican
GAGT Cyclone GA
GAGT eckoxl
GAGT Young Gun
GAGT locoman99
GAGT Nick-G
GAGT SilverGAGT2002
GAGT grims01gt
GAGT HenryM
GAGT 2000 GT Coupe (if can pay in Feb)
GAGT blackhart7 (In on previous buy had already paid)
GAGT dcuballa (leaving for USMC basic in March, need before then)



undetermined (3)

hok?
colonel?
mike the canadian (rear)

[billytheman1188]

^^^^NICE! Looks like a solid list....now we just gotta see what the deal is with pfyc and then the BIG part....get the money from everyone.....lol:lol: I really hope tons of people dont back out cause i might just flip out:panic:

[colonel6632]

if we can get prices, i want both

[hok666]

i like the sound of 300 + shipping honestly

[billytheman1188]

i like the sound of 300 + shipping honestly

yea...we all do. But if we dont get that then be prepared to spend a little more. These are CUSTOM bars....ONLY ONES TO BE MADE FOR OUR CARS....save more than 300 just in case. Dont go and buy OSV wheels.....honestly i dont think you will go through with this buy....your already looking at spending money on wheels that need A LOT of work.....and he wont even take your offer.....jeeeeeez

[emncfi]

I am still in, I saw the post over on the other 2, looks like it might fly this time

[Mike The Canadian]

I'm going to go ahead and saw that I am in for the rear (definite).

Depending on price I'll consider the front (no guarantees).

[hok666]

:panic:billy billy billy!!!! I seem to be on the undecided list. Ahem doody head:Hammer:

[tw0123]

Front: (3)
Alero two
Alero emncfi
Alero jabatram

Rear: (6)
Alero manwhore
Alero adrian
Alero mike the canadian
GAGT HOYS
GAGT akeemjvasser
GAGT geldartb

Both: (20)
Alero Unchained
Alero billytheman
Alero papa rad
Alero amun ra
Alero shiwnath
Alero 03sleeper
Alero mmorello
Alero <woj99>
Alero whitemexican
GAGT Cyclone GA
GAGT eckoxl
GAGT Young Gun
GAGT locoman99
GAGT Nick-G
GAGT SilverGAGT2002
GAGT grims01gt
GAGT HenryM
GAGT 2000 GT Coupe (if can pay in Feb)
GAGT blackhart7 (In on previous buy had already paid)
GAGT dcuballa (leaving for USMC basic in March, need before then)



undetermined (2)

hok?
colonel?

[Papa Rad17]

Ok, so let gets it rollin, I needs them!

[billytheman1188]

:panic:billy billy billy!!!! I seem to be on the undecided list. Ahem doody head:Hammer:

Yea yea....make up your mind doody head:rolleyes2:

[mfuller]

Ok, so let gets it rollin, I needs them!
I have not received any update, and honestly, I did not expect to get anything given the holiday season.
Keep yer shirt on, shorty.

[Papa Rad17]

True, Christmas is kinda just 2 days away

[tw0123]

Thanks for the update Matt, I had not expected to hear anything until the beginning of January at this state...
Once again, a big thank you for helping make this a reality!!

[Black_Mamba]

im down for a set, front and back. just let me know pricing so i can put money to the side for em.

I know the price was probably mentioned somewhere in the 10 pages of this thread, but i read the first 5 and im not gonna keep going lol.

[Gr1m]

not looking through this 10 page thread but put me down for a front and rear if its under $375 with shipping

[Vitamin CC]

Hey add me in for a rear bar. I have cash in hand, just let me know when and were to pay.

[tw0123]

Front: (3)
Alero two
Alero emncfi
Alero jabatram

Rear: (7)
Alero manwhore
Alero adrian
Alero mike the canadian
Alero Vitamin CC
GAGT HOYS
GAGT akeemjvasser
GAGT geldartb

Both: (25)
Alero Unchained
Alero billytheman
Alero papa rad
Alero amun ra
Alero shiwnath
Alero 03sleeper
Alero mmorello
Alero <woj99>
Alero whitemexican
Alero Black_Mamba
Alero Gr1m (if under $375 shipped)
GAGT Cyclone GA
GAGT eckoxl
GAGT Young Gun
GAGT locoman99
GAGT Nick-G
GAGT SilverGAGT2002
GAGT grims01gt
GAGT HenryM
GAGT 2000 GT Coupe (if can pay in Feb)
GAGT blackhart7 (In on previous buy had already paid)
GAGT dcuballa (leaving for USMC basic in March, need before then)
GAOC tgussie
GAOC orangecky2k
GAOC GreenGrandAm01



undetermined (2)

hok?
colonel?

[Black_Mamba]

Price?

[Papa Rad17]

I think right now the word is around 300 plus ship to be expected. Not sure.

[tw0123]

Black_Mamba... this was back on page 9... I know you don't want to read the entire thread, but it does have some important information... such as this...
We are estimating $200 per bar + shipping to be safe and guarantee people can get the bars... so plan on $400 + shipping and you should be safe...

The last group buy attempted was to be for Eibach swaybars at $185 per bar + shipping: http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127800 (info at the bottom of post #1).

The previous successful group buy in 2008 through PFYC was for the Speedbuilt swaybars, and the cost for those was actually less at $139 per bar (not sure about shipping, but probably not included): http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87968.

[Papa Rad17]

Can't wait till after the holidays to get this rolling

[GreenGrandAm01]

Some one on GAOC posted about this and I finally made my way over here to say that I'd really want one of the bars, depending on price and when it happens of course.

Here's others people who are interested from the thread on GAOC

BOTH:
tgussie
orangecky2k
GreenGrandAm01(me :p )

[tw0123]

thanks for letting us know about those members (including yourself) who want in on this should it work out... I will update the list above!

[Black_Mamba]

still waiting on price for both shipped

[03glgold]

still waiting on price for both shipped

why don't you go to previous pages and read...you have been answered the best that they have right now every time that you have asked

[billytheman1188]

still waiting on price for both shipped

Dude...look back like the other guy said.....stop being lazy....were all waiting for a price....its not even definite if this will go through or not. Be patient and wait like the rest of us. JEEEEEEZ

[unchained01]

Any update Matt ?

[mfuller]

Nothing new to report.

[whitemexican]

Bump :)

[mfuller]

Sent an email to Brian this morning re: status update.

[Papa Rad17]

Awesome!:awesome:

[mfuller]

OKAY GANG......I HOPE EVERYONE HAS THEIR FUNDING LINED UP BECAUSE WE ARE ON A DEADLINE HERE IF WE WANT THIS TO GO THROUGH.

From Brian @ PFYC:

Hi Matt:

Here's what we'd like to propose:

Pricing is same as before, $279.99 for a combo Front and Rear set. Shipping will be a flat rate $20 to anywhere in the lower 48 states. Canadian orders will ship for flat rate of $35 via UPS, but Canadians also need to be aware of UPS taxes, duties and brokerage fees that they'll be responsible for that are collected upon delivery by the UPS driver.

To get started, we'd set up a deposit page. The deposit is $150.00 and is NON REFUNDABLE unless we fail to get the required number of deposits which is a total of 20. If we fail to get 20 deposits, refunds will be done minus 5% (or $142.50). If someone with a deposit changes their mind, it is up to them to find a person to take their spot. Once an agreement has been made for the person to take their spot, we'd refund $142.50 to the original person immediately after the replacement person pays the $150 deposit to us directly (this MUST be arranged beforehand). If someone with a deposit changes their mind AFTER the bars have been made and are on their way to us from the manufacturer, that person's deposit will be refunded in the amount of $142.50 AFTER the replacement person has paid for the set IN FULL.

PFYC is required to order a minimum of 25 sets. Once we have 20 deposits on hand though, we'll place the order with the manufacturer. We must have the 20 deposits on hand by Jan 31, 2012. If the 20 deposits are on hand prior to Jan 31, 2012, we'll place the order for production. Production time has been quoted to us as 4-6 weeks. We have no control over that number though and I believe the later into spring this might go, the longer that quote might stretch, that's why I think having the order in by Jan 31, 2012 is the necessary. If the January 31st date does not work out, it is flexible by a couple of weeks if we've received 14 deposits by then and the majority of the group would like to extend it. This can be determined by using PFYC's Facebook page where we'll post a poll if required.

Once the bars have been shipped to us, we'll start collecting the balance due which will be $129.99 plus applicable shipping. Transit time from the manufacturer to our warehouse is about one week. Anyone with a deposit must pay their balance within 2 weeks of the time we ask balances to be paid.

Sorry for all the specific terms but we're trying to answer the "what ifs" that are likely to come up so that everyone knows up front what they are agreeing to.

[mfuller]

I sent Brian a reply thanking him, and asking him to proceed with creating a deposit page on pfyc.com. If there is a special hyperlink for sending in deposits, I will post it as soon as I get it.

[JLw7123]

How long till they are ready to buy. i have to replace all of the struts and springss ( i am getting some GR2s and sprint springs , and both front wheel bearings. If i get everything fixed i might be interested in a set if everything is fixed when the deposit is due. If i have the 150 bucks could he hold the sway bars till i have the rest of the money.

[mfuller]

How long till they are ready to buy. i have to replace all of the struts and springss ( i am getting some GR2s and sprint springs , and both front wheel bearings. If i get everything fixed i might be interested in a set if everything is fixed when the deposit is due. If i have the 150 bucks could he hold the sway bars till i have the rest of the money.
Please thoroughly read Brian's response, as the answers to your questions are there.

[Mike The Canadian]

Do any of you Canadian guys want to arrange for these to be delivered somewhere in Buffalo?
Then one person goes to pick up and we all split the gas?

I think this would save all of us a great deal of cash (UPS WILL rape you)

[hok666]

That is a great deal! Wish I could be board right now...;(

[Shiwnath]

YES! Looks like this is happening..as long as everyone who says they were goning to pay up actually does. Thanks a lot for taking care of everything Matt.

[jabartram]

who is manufacturing the bars? eibach or speedbuilt or other? how is this to be done if we are only ordering the front or only the rear bar? the statement above is in regards to ordering the pair. 280.00 for the set is 140 per bar, 150 deposit is more than a single bar. im in but i just need a front.

[Papa Rad17]

Let's do this!

[mfuller]

who is manufacturing the bars? eibach or speedbuilt or other? how is this to be done if we are only ordering the front or only the rear bar? the statement above is in regards to ordering the pair. 280.00 for the set is 140 per bar, 150 deposit is more than a single bar. im in but i just need a front.
I don't know who exactly the manufacturing partner is, but they are/will be Speedbuilt bars, which is PFYC's private label brand.
The minimum ordering requirement from PFYC was 20 bars of each type - that means if any rear bars were to be made, we must order at least 20. Likewise for front bars; to get any made requires an order of at least 20.
My understanding is that in addition to full sets, individual bars will also be available.
More details will come when the deposit page is up.

[jabartram]

I don't know who exactly the manufacturing partner is, but they are/will be Speedbuilt bars, which is PFYC's private label brand.
The minimum ordering requirement from PFYC was 20 bars of each type - that means if any rear bars were to be made, we must order at least 20. Likewise for front bars; to get any made requires an order of at least 20.
My understanding is that in addition to full sets, individual bars will also be available.
More details will come when the deposit page is up.


ill drop my deposit asap, i just need to know what to deposit for a single bar? or ill deposit the 150.00 and pay the rest of the shipping when they are produced.

[tw0123]

THANK YOU MATT!!!!!!!
I am in the same boat as Jabartram... I only need the front bar... Cash just has to be deposited and transferred to paypal for payment...

[tw0123]

Do any of you Canadian guys want to arrange for these to be delivered somewhere in Buffalo?
Then one person goes to pick up and we all split the gas?

I think this would save all of us a great deal of cash (UPS WILL rape you)


We could do either Buffalo, or Windsor... Ross and Ryan are down that way, they might have some cross border buddies that would help out!!! I am not sure if there is anyone close enough to Buffalo... Or Possibly Guiguilandry down in Quebec... maybe someone close in Ganagoque?(sp) might be able to receive delivery and then cross over with them from there...

Any Canadians have any ideas??

[colonel6632]

im probably just going to have mine shipped here. cause someone can go pick them up... but then i have to pay gas and shipping to me. so unless they are in north dakota, where i can get it, it's not worth my time.


i need a link where to make my deposit!
thanks boys!

[unchained01]

I hope all posts on other sites were updated. And I am still in for multiples to help out to make this a success GREAT JOB MATT. Thank you sir. !!!!!

[Shiwnath]

I hope all posts on other sites were updated. And I am still in for multiples to help out to make this a success GREAT JOB MATT. Thank you sir. !!!!!

Matt posted the update on GrandAmGT.com and I posted the update on GAOC

[03Sleepr]

Big thanks to Matt! my deposit is ready to go.

[Papa Rad17]

^any word on if these will come with bushings? Iv been hdin off on getting mine done to see how this goes. Now I have the lowering springs so of course sooner is better :) And thanks from me as well Matt!

[kwhauck]

Nice job Matt!!!

[mfuller]

Have at it guys:

Speedbuilt Sway Bar Pre-Order for 1999-2005 Grand Am and Alero (http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GA4010/GA/Speedbuilt+Sway+Bar+Pre-Order+for+1999-2005+Grand+Am+and+Alero.html)

[Shiwnath]

Paid my deposit.. Perhaps we should make a list of people who claimed to have paid so far?

[Papa Rad17]

I will get my deposite sent asap when I get home. Bump for any word on control arm bushings with them?

[unchained01]

I made my deposit earlier this morning. And had a chat with Brian. These bars DO come with midpoint bushings !! Those who have made deposits will be posted on the group deposit page on PFYC website from what Brian told me Let make this a successful buy and thanks to all that make it happen

[Papa Rad17]

^thank you! Im on via mobil but just check out the page. Looks legit, cant wait to get them! Thanks to all for helping getting it going!

[mfuller]

My understanding is that in addition to full sets, individual bars will also be available.

PLEASE NOTE THAT AT THIS TIME, INDIVIDUAL BARS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR SALE; SETS ONLY.
I know several people are interested in individual front or rear bars only, and not a F/R set.
I have sent a response to Brian @ PFYC, asking if people can order individual bars as long as we meet the minimum ordering requirements.
He will ask and get back to me.

[03Sleepr]

deposit paid

[mmorello82]

I couldn't get the link to come up Matt

[unchained01]

Just go to PFYC grand am store / suspension Page 2

[hok666]

when is the deadline?

[Shiwnath]

when is the deadline?

January 31st.. Read the thread.

[billytheman1188]

Just paid.....LETS GET THIS DONE PEOPLE!!!

[tw0123]

PLEASE NOTE THAT AT THIS TIME, INDIVIDUAL BARS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR SALE; SETS ONLY.
I know several people are interested in individual front or rear bars only, and not a F/R set.
I have sent a response to Brian @ PFYC, asking if people can order individual bars as long as we meet the minimum ordering requirements.
He will ask and get back to me.

:( well this news blows... I only need a front... I really hope they will agree to sell them individually as well...

[Papa Rad17]

my deposited is in! and I saw the speed built bushings on the side of the page, those included or will we have to buy separately? either way, this better now fall through now!
:( well this news blows... I only need a front... I really hope they will agree to sell them individually as well...

sounds like after they produce the minimum (in pairs) individual will be made available.
only 7 deposits in so far... lets go!

[tw0123]

ok... I am confused... I might be able to buy a full set if I can wait until just before delivery (estimated 7 weeks- 4-6 for manufacture, 1 week transit to PFYC) but the details are not clear...

You have the option to pay the $150 deposit now, and the remainder before January 31, 2012 or you may pay the entire amount now

Once we've confirmed the bars are on the way to our warehouse, we'll begin collecting the balances due. Balances must be paid within 2 weeks of us notifying you of this.

so does which statement is true? we have to pay in full by the 31st, or we can wait until they are finished??

[jabartram]

this sucks, i only need the front, i already have a speedbuilt rear bar.

[mfuller]

ok... I am confused... I might be able to buy a full set if I can wait until just before delivery (estimated 7 weeks- 4-6 for manufacture, 1 week transit to PFYC) but the details are not clear...

You have the option to pay the $150 deposit now, and the remainder before January 31, 2012 or you may pay the entire amount now

Once we've confirmed the bars are on the way to our warehouse, we'll begin collecting the balances due. Balances must be paid within 2 weeks of us notifying you of this.

so does which statement is true? we have to pay in full by the 31st, or we can wait until they are finished??

I can see how this is confusing.
As PFYC is responsible for the pre-order and collection of funds, I have sent Brian an email requesting clarification.
I will post his response when I get it.

[emncfi]

I am the same, I only need the front, I think that I will end up buying both, so anybody only want a back one?

[mfuller]

Any of you guys that just want a front -
I don't think you'll have too much trouble selling a rear bar.

[tw0123]

thanks Matt... I have to wait for funds to transfer to paypal anyways, so hopefully you will have an answer about the balance due... as long as I have the est. 7 weeks, I will probably get both...

so ya... anyone else want a rear??

[Papa Rad17]

Just got off the phone with my freind. He's going to get a set for his alero as well!

[mfuller]

I can see how this is confusing.
As PFYC is responsible for the pre-order and collection of funds, I have sent Brian an email requesting clarification.
I will post his response when I get it.

Hi Matt;

I'll have Brian look that over and make any necessary changes but the balances are not going to be due until we get word that the order has shipped to us from the manufacturer (probably late Feb-early March). The only thing that might cause this to be sooner is if we get the 20 orders in long before Jan 31st in which case we may place the order earlier than Jan 31st and if the manufacturer gets them done and out the door faster. If that becomes an issue and there are a few people who need the extra time to pay their balance, I don't see that as a problem as long as arrangements are made ahead of time. But balances will not be due on Jan 31st. The option to pay in full now is just that, an option for those who don't want to mess with balances and just want their order out the door as soon as the shipment arrives.

Mike Lewis - PFYC-PartsForYourCar.com


EDIT: Brian has fixed the language regarding deposits and final payments. Please read the details on the ordering page.