Door Upgrade

[MattismodderX]

So i finally got sick enough of the lousy 4x6s GM placed in the front of our cars and decided to give it a facelift. Stopped at the American Bass HQ in Maple Heights today and picked up a few speakers:

6 6.5" SQ-65CBs
2 SQ-T2 tweeters

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/76/speakersz.jpg

Ill be building the panels tomorrow. Im not sure if i can add the 4x6 to the panel as well. would that work? i dont see why it wouldnt. updates to come

[clutch1]

Are all of those going on the door panels??

You're gonna need some 26z and candy paint, too, if so. Lol j/k. But don't do anything with those stock 4x6s.. throw them away.

[MattismodderX]

yea 3 on each door + the tweeter. i was gonna throw the 4x6 on the door as well just for extra cone area. would make the design look pretty cool

[RisenequinoX]

cant wait to see this when its done

[Afugy]

Have you thought about using kick panels? 2 will fit into the door much easier then 3 http://www.qlogicdirect.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=222_258_341&zenid=4610f252c9d1f0dde71765564fbdee39. Amp? Crossovers? Tweeter placement?

[cherrington17]

matt... i hate you with jealousy.

<-- eager to see production pics.

[Ryan from Ohio]

I would of only went with 2 6.5's per door to maintain a normal ohm load.

[MattismodderX]

I would of only went with 2 6.5's per door to maintain a normal ohm load.

i was thinking of adding the 4x6s to even out the load. does that work? or even the 5.25s in the back

and i didnt have enough cash on me to get another pair

[MattismodderX]

Have you thought about using kick panels? 2 will fit into the door much easier then 3 http://www.qlogicdirect.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=222_258_341&zenid=4610f252c9d1f0dde71765564fbdee39. Amp? Crossovers? Tweeter placement?

the tweeters came with a crossover, and i have a sony 4 channel amp im pickin up tomorrow. 300rms over 4 channels.

[Ryan from Ohio]

That wont work.

Because its a different speaker. Must all be the same speakers to function in that fashion.

[MattismodderX]

this is how i was gonna wire it

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7547/77733181.jpg

even with each @ 2ohm this wont work?

[Ryan from Ohio]

You will have like 1.5 Ohm load.

It will work providing the amp can hang with it.

[MattismodderX]

Ok so fk it. ill add 4 to each door with matching tweeters. why not go ape shit. gonna have 2 per door hooked up temporarily until i pick up another pair with more tweeters

[Afugy]

I thought those are 8 ohm speakers? 3 of those will give you 2.6ohms per channel.

[MattismodderX]

yes they are. so is that ok then?

[Ryan from Ohio]

Ah

Well that will work. Its just an odd ohm load.

[MattismodderX]

sweet. im glad i dont need to drop even more $ on this. apart from the extra tweeters. i think ill add 4 more tweeters on the headunits built in amp, but thats a project for another day xD

[Fi-Alero]

I'm doing something similar.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/615694.jpg

Two DD 6.5s per door along with 2 DD tweeters.
400rms a side. Should be pretty loud. :scpimp:

[MattismodderX]

So it figures just as soon as the doors come to place my sub's tinsel decides to explode. the terminal got knocked loose and it touched the basket, thus melting it (pics of the dmg below)

The doors are all ready to be cut for tomorrow. spent the time today planning out how it would fit with the contour lines and such. got a few tricks left up my sleeve but thats for when its going into the door.

drawing up the lines to see where to cut the panel
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9648/0509001956.jpg
Aluminum siding piece used to make a mock up cutout so it was easily fine tune-able
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2104/0509002117.jpg
Speaker layout. just fits
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5960/0509002144.jpg
on the wood
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2898/0509002236.jpg

where the tinsel is destroyed
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1509/0509001528.jpg
never really got a good shot of the sub and i liked it in that light
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/2691/0510000033a.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9379/0510000033.jpg

[heineck]

Oh noes!

[Ryan from Ohio]

Ouchies.

[MattismodderX]

yea it figures by the time the doors start rollin together somethins gotta break..

not really sure what im gonna do at this point. hopefully it can be fixed with a small piece of tinsel. other wise im just gonna have some serious mids for while

[MattismodderX]

just picked up the amp to power the doors
does any1 know where to buy these little gold screws to screw in the speaker with?
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2473/0510001234.jpg

also the american bass 6.5s came with no instructions/wires of any kind so i need to pick up some wire to attach to the terminals (picture 2) where do you purchase these for the low?
http://www.techguys.ca/howto/images/speaker_terminals.jpg

[MattismodderX]

ok if anyone needs to replace the screws on an old amp, these screws are mad cheap. ordered 3 sets of 4 for $3 and 50 3/16" female quick connects for 2.50

http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/TER-4G/4-SCREW-TERMINAL-STRIP-GOLD-PLATED/1.html

[widbyj]

Those same parts are available at Autozone.... Personally I solder any wire that may be shaken.

[RisenequinoX]

ok if anyone needs to replace the screws on an old amp, these screws are mad cheap. ordered 3 sets of 4 for $3 and 50 3/16" female quick connects for 2.50

http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/TER-4G/4-SCREW-TERMINAL-STRIP-GOLD-PLATED/1.html

wow that site has a lot of good shit ! nice find matt.

[MattismodderX]

Those same parts are available at Autozone.... Personally I solder any wire that may be shaken.

im sure they are, but for $1 a piece?! or $0.05 per quick connect? i dunno bout all that

[Ryan from Ohio]

I would highly advise soldering the wires to the speakers. Make a bundle somewhere and use a set of bullet quick disconnects there.

[Gr1m]

i agree with soldering, i did the same thing on my speakers

[MattismodderX]

I would highly advise soldering the wires to the speakers. Make a bundle somewhere and use a set of bullet quick disconnects there.

ill probly just end up soldering the wires to them, i didnt even think to do that. derr

also the speakers dont have any kind of labeling as to which side is positive and which is negative. both are 3/16". ive heard about connecting it to a AA battery but theres still a small possibility to damage the speaker. any other ways to find this out?

[Ryan from Ohio]

What speakers have the same ends?

Run a phase test with them hooked up.

I can email you the test if need be.

[MattismodderX]

What speakers have the same ends?

Run a phase test with them hooked up.

I can email you the test if need be.

the sq-65CBs. the pic on the website shows the one on the left as red, which im gonna assume is the power one.

[MattismodderX]

speaker baffles got cut. first door got cut. ended up getting late so more will be done tomorrow

giving some headroom w. the vinyl
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1637/0511002310.jpg
cut baffle
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/951/0511002208.jpg
cut door
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5056/0511002357.jpg

[Gr1m]

you have no idea what your getting yourself into lol

[MattismodderX]

it might appear that way from the basic shots but its really a lot more in depth

[Ryan from Ohio]

Im with Grim.

What your about to do is create yourself one hell of a nightmare.

The work involved in sanding that bish out will kill a person. Your gonna have to glass the hole thing to. If you think just the pod area you are wrong. Unless you find a way to attached it with fasteners.

Mine looked good for most the summer. Until the glass broke free from the door panel...

[cherrington17]

how are you getting around the problem of the window? it comes down right where speaker 2 and 3 are?

the fiberglass forums have a thread on an interesting way to glass TNUT fasterners into the mold, so you can bolt it into place.

[MattismodderX]

its being wrapped with vinyl. bunch of 1" blocks around it to keep it on the same plane

[Gr1m]

yep ur gonna have to glass the entire panel, and ontop of that, you will probably have to invert the speakers and then it will be very uncomfortable for the passengers in your car, judging by the amount that the baffleboard sticks out from the panel.

[MattismodderX]

those photos were just to show the cut panels. almost everything has been considered and will be delt with. i just set the baffle on top of the panel lol

[bizzy07]

That is going to be crazy loud! I have 2 6.5's in each door and it almost hurts to listen to them at full tilt.

[Fi-Alero]

You are not going to be able to close your doors if the way I'm looking at it is right. The edge of your pods closest to the dash is gonna interfere.

[clutch1]

Im with Grim.

What your about to do is create yourself one hell of a nightmare.

The work involved in sanding that bish out will kill a person. Your gonna have to glass the hole thing to. If you think just the pod area you are wrong. Unless you find a way to attached it with fasteners.

Mine looked good for most the summer. Until the glass broke free from the door panel...

You guys are wimps, lol!! Glass is the way to go.. it's not THAT much work if your layup and filler spreading skills are adequate.

[MattismodderX]

You are not going to be able to close your doors if the way I'm looking at it is right. The edge of your pods closest to the dash is gonna interfere.

the baffle was just set on top of the door panel just to show it. there was enough room cut to where it will still close on the dash. and if it doesnt for some reason, it is wood lol

[MattismodderX]

Ok, baffles are wrapped in vinyl, all ready to be attached. hopefully done in the next week or so.

So i have the sony amp which is a 4 channel, but im not exactly sure how this wiring will work out
currently 8 drivers total. 6 speakers 2 tweeters. (8ohm speakers, 4ohm tweets)

This is how i was thinking of wiring it. is there a better configuration then this? im open to all input.
Channel 1
Both tweeters

Channel 2
Speakers 1, 2

Channel 3
Speakers 3,4

Channel 4
speakers 5,6

[widbyj]

That's a great setup for MONO

You're gonna want to use two channels for the 'tweeters' - left and right.
Ditto for the 'speakers'. So now you've used all four channels with a huge load balancing issue, 1 tweeter vs. 3 speakers per side. Not to mention the rears at all....

Maybe just get another identical amp so you're using one for each side?

[Cashdollar2009]

Updates? :)

[MattismodderX]

well i have it all hooked up. its just sitting all over the seats xD. 2 6.5s on the front seat and 4 between the back 2. tweets up front as well to provide better sq. my right ear might explode soon. passneger side door panel is now useless. was gonna fiberglass it but then some1 broke it trying to close it. no now i need a new one of them. drivers side front spring is broken. sounds amazing tho! haha

EDIT: oh! and i forgot. my one buddy who was helping me build the original wood baffles but busted by the feds for certain things and when his garage was raided the cops destroyed the vinyl wrapped baffle that was ready to go in....bastards. so then i decided fiberglass would be a better option rather then going back to step 1 again. but then panel broke. etc.etc. now i need a new passenger door panel

[Ryan from Ohio]

Junk yard time!

I just bought panels with switches for $20 each.

[MattismodderX]

well. FML

sub is blown to hell. was running it off the one voice coil for a good while now on about 600rms (2000rms sub). this thing was a monster and always sounded clean/sharp. never abused it, but the other day it stopped working. my buddy hooked it up to the multimeter and it read 46ohms. when he pushed the cone in it read .2 and .3 ohms. no idea wtf is wrong with it. time to sell the motor and get a new setup x_x. 1 door speaker got blown due to careless friends fucking around. 2 more are slightly damaged. center cap pushed in = fail

[Cashdollar2009]

Sorry to hear about all of this. :(

Why were you running it off of one voice coil though?

[MattismodderX]

the terminal got knocked loose when i was taking it out of the box (the fker is heavy) and i glued it back on but i guess it came loose and touched the basket- which then fried the one side's tinsel

[cherrington17]

mo equip mo problems.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Yanno Bill can rebuild it for you- he built it in the first place.

[Cashdollar2009]

You need to quit playing around: http://www.dcsoundlab.com/woofers.html

Or buy mine. :) Fresh recone 3 weeks ago!

[Ttop191]

^^^just saw your vid in their forums, thats sick dude

[Cashdollar2009]

^^^just saw your vid in their forums, thats sick dude

That's was running the subs as such:
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo331/Terrortodadeer/0418001454.jpg

After taking the video I threw the dmm on it and got a 2.2ohm reading outside the box. (The tinsels snapped on one side completely.) So therefore I was running "half the sub." Not technically, but without going into detail, it was seeing 1.2 to 1.4k in the video... The recone came in, which had bad glue on it from the shop and when I did the recone the cone tore from the spider. After calling in and bsing witht he owner he explained the situation, then sent me another recone with epoxy joints and 4 spiders! :yahoo: Just did the recone three weeks ago and I'm loving it. I'll have to get a new vid on the net. Hence my signature, I got some goodies that'll be in Friday. It's completely different now...

Anyways Matt, sorry to threadjack a bit. But really, DC Audio ftw. If interested I can pm you a price. (Honestly) Hope stuff gets figured out man.

[MattismodderX]

Yanno Bill can rebuild it for you- he built it in the first place.

bill didnt build that one. it came from out of state apparently. bill sold me the box

ive been browsing car audio classifieds and 400 goes a long way there. gonna save up and wait for a sweet deal

[billytheman1188]

LOL....as soon as i saw the pics of the speakers in the boxes i thought "this could only turn out bad..." and what happened? door panel broken, speakers damaged, sub fucked up, and no pics of the finished product.....guess i was right ;)

[Ryan from Ohio]

bill didnt build that one. it came from out of state apparently. bill sold me the box

ive been browsing car audio classifieds and 400 goes a long way there. gonna save up and wait for a sweet deal

Well he could still rebuild it...

[MattismodderX]

LOL....as soon as i saw the pics of the speakers in the boxes i thought "this could only turn out bad..." and what happened? door panel broken, speakers damaged, sub effed up, and no pics of the finished product.....guess i was right ;)

yea. one mishap after the next with no endless supply of cash to support it all. all the different problems were all unrelated at least

[MattismodderX]

well after a long drought of little to no work im now working 3 jobs and the income will slowly be coming in. i want to put 2 DC Audio lvl 4s in by spring, or something better if it comes around.

wanted to do a little update- installed my new kicker 350.4 last night and i can notice a different between this and my older sony 300.4 amp. much cleaner sound. this is the setup im currently running. yes all of those speakers are connected since the doors produce no sound. the tweeters are sitting on the traction control button area lol

the setup
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8615/picture1gz.jpg

the amp
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/200/picture2mi.jpg

the sub 300rms
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8823/picture3xg.jpg

[Ttop191]

its upside down silly :p

[Cashdollar2009]

Good choice on the DC's! :thumb: I'll have a new build starting up here soon, i'll have to keep you updated.

I'd imagine your imaging could improve a little from your current setup... :p
j/k man, keep us updated on here. Really sucks with everything that happened with the pod situation...

[MattismodderX]

Good choice on the DC's! :thumb: I'll have a new build starting up here soon, i'll have to keep you updated.

I'd imagine your imaging could improve a little from your current setup... :p
j/k man, keep us updated on here. Really sucks with everything that happened with the pod situation...

theyre so loud it sounds fairly even behind me with the position of the one on the left compared to the headrest location. bout 30 seconds and your ears start hurting. bass just isnt as fun without screaming vocals. winds of plague is brutal