ACDelco PF47 v PF52 [Archive]

Redog

12-30-2010, 03:23 AM

Hey crew!!

I was strongly thinking about using a PF52 filter on my next oil change. In fact, I'm going to do it. The PF52 is longer and has only 1/4 increased volume than the PF47. This will also be for my mom's 2002 Cavalier (2.2 OHV LN4)

After reseaching this, there are guys that have used this filter on 3100 Malibu's and one case of a 2000 Sunfire with the 2.2. They fit the block just fine, they are longer than the 47 and the guy with the Sunfire (his wife's car) said that it's easier to take it off than the 47 due to the extra lenght.

I use 5 quarts in my car and 4 in my mom's. The 3400 claims a 4.5 quart oil change and the Cavy claims a 4 quart. Not going to change the voulme of oil I use (or should I for my mom's car?)

The reason is I refuse to use the shitty "PF-47E" filters that are made in China. I do like the quality of the American made ACDelco filters more than any other filter I've seen.

Thoughts?

[ion] C2

12-30-2010, 11:34 AM

You've done filtration vs. flow tests on them? Reliability testing? You can't just collectively call everything made in China shitty. With ACDelco being quite a large company, it's naive to think that they are unable to maintain quality control in another country as well as our own.

Garrett has many locations where they manufacture their turbochargers. Mine could've been made in Mexico or any other foreign nation. They are still under exacting measures and precisely monitored for proper QC..

XanderWiFi

12-30-2010, 11:45 AM

There was another thread called "oil filters" that was examining something like this as well. With the PF52 go on a 3.4 as well? I was also looking into gettins something along these lines as well: http://www.autoanything.com/oil-filters/60A2138A0A0.aspx

cherrington17

12-30-2010, 12:30 PM

C2;569956']You've done filtration vs. flow tests on them? Reliability testing? You can't just collectively call everything made in China shitty. With ACDelco being quite a large company, it's naive to think that they are unable to maintain quality control in another country as well as our own.

Garrett has many locations where they manufacture their turbochargers. Mine could've been made in Mexico or any other foreign nation. They are still under exacting measures and precisely monitored for proper QC..

QFT. I've been getting quite annoyed with the "USA products are infinitely better than foreign crap" attitudes lately.

Frankly speaking, just because it says "made in the USA" doesn't mean its parts aren't Chinese, and assembled here, or vise versa.

Huge companies lie about everything. It costs them nothing, and they make more money.

kwhauck

12-30-2010, 01:24 PM

jabartram

12-30-2010, 03:37 PM

i ran the pf52 for years, now i run the amsoil equivalent to the pf52.

kwhauck

12-30-2010, 03:42 PM

I like fram grippy filters.......lol

Ttop191

12-30-2010, 04:06 PM

Well your engine hates you... ;)

robalero

12-30-2010, 04:09 PM

I use the Auto-Xtra filters myself mostly because it cost me $3 for the filter at work

kwhauck

12-30-2010, 08:29 PM

Well your engine hates you... ;)

No it doesn't, I rescued it from a lonely life in a junkyard! I gave it a second life!!!

Ttop191

12-30-2010, 08:38 PM

then you stabbed it in the heart by using a fram filter :lol:

mfuller

12-30-2010, 08:44 PM

Usually I can get either a Mobil 1 or K&N filter on sale when bundled with 5 quarts of Mobil 1 or Castrol Edge. Advance Auto or O'Reilly's tends to run a special every 6 months or so.....
I really don't think the longer filter makes that big of a difference - I have a smaller K&N filter on there now just because it gives me a bit more room to work.
I'm not a huge fan of the E-core filters, and their shortcomings are documented elsewhere if you search around.

alero_bmxer

12-30-2010, 08:44 PM

No it doesn't, I rescued it from a lonely life in a junkyard! I gave it a second life!!!

have you ever cut a fram filter apart? cut one open and compare the insides to amore expensive filter like the federal ones we use at work. all metal insides compared to cardboard in the fram.

kwhauck

12-30-2010, 08:51 PM

I don't care with this motor......

[ion] C2

12-30-2010, 08:57 PM

I too would never touch a FRAM filter unless using it for a baseball. Too many horror stories from them.

Redog

12-30-2010, 09:39 PM

QFT. I've been getting quite annoyed with the "USA products are infinitely better than foreign crap" attitudes lately.

Frankly speaking, just because it says "made in the USA" doesn't mean its parts aren't Chinese, and assembled here, or vise versa.

Huge companies lie about everything. It costs them nothing, and they make more money.

Look inside an "E" Chinese filter and an America made non "E" filter and reanswer

WhiteV6

12-30-2010, 10:19 PM

Quality control. Thanks for making me laugh.

[ion] C2

12-30-2010, 10:45 PM

I guess if it doesn't take over 2 years to produce a single part, it's not quality.

XanderWiFi

12-30-2010, 10:57 PM

oh crud...I've never used anything but fram or STP. What is the proven filter?

WhiteV6

12-30-2010, 11:03 PM

C2;570050']I guess if it doesn't take over 2 years to produce a single part, it's not quality.

That doesn't have any relevance to the amount of bad parts I have received this year. Honestly, I don't know if you are trying to say I have taken 2 years to do something or just making a random post for your post count.

AleroDrime

12-30-2010, 11:54 PM

ive always used fram filters

XanderWiFi

12-31-2010, 12:18 AM

That doesn't have any relevance to the amount of bad parts I have received this year. Honestly, I don't know if you are trying to say I have taken 2 years to do something or just making a random post for your post count.

I'm guessing the headers maybe?

[ion] C2

12-31-2010, 12:24 AM

Just a harmless jest at him for the headers, lol.

WhiteV6

12-31-2010, 01:27 AM

Been 6 months...

XanderWiFi

12-31-2010, 11:14 AM

6 mos can be considered two years in an instant gratification society lol. I'm excited for the badass end product though. I am sure you will have to mass produce initially to meet all the orders on here.

Back to filters: so is the ACDelco the preferred brand I am guessing? And has anyone else used that K&N with any improved success?

robalero

12-31-2010, 02:29 PM

well it won't really improve anything much, there is only one filter I don't like and its Fram as for anything esle ill use it. My prefered brand is Wix

XanderWiFi

12-31-2010, 02:33 PM

Never heard of wix...in the stores I have only seen fram and stp. Can't recall even seeing ACDelco before.

robalero

12-31-2010, 03:24 PM

you gotta go to a Dealer for AC's ( at least in my area ) and Wix is a napa product at least thats one of major retailers for them.

STP is studabacker ( the car manufacturer ) and I would buy any of their products in a heart beat if my car needed it

WhiteV6

12-31-2010, 04:50 PM

Wix is good, napa gold, same thing (used to be anyway). I get ac delco at advance and walmart used to carry them.

XanderWiFi

12-31-2010, 05:42 PM

Would you actually feel any difference would a better filter or does your car just secretly benefit from it?

robalero

12-31-2010, 06:54 PM

your car's engine will last longer ( higher miles ) is the benefit you won't get performance gains just a longer lasting healthier engine

Alerojester

01-02-2011, 11:05 AM

Around here Wix is a filter of choice cause they make filters for Farm/construction machinery, so when i worked at Oreilly's i sold at least 10 a day... GOD I WISH I STILL WORKED THERE 10% off all things i could need :D

Redog

01-02-2011, 01:24 PM

Never seen a Wix filter. I guess they just don't sell them in this part of the country

[ion] C2

01-02-2011, 01:26 PM

They're at O'Reilly's only as far as I've ever seen. But who goes there?

Pacho

01-02-2011, 06:19 PM

equivalent part for pf52 in purolator pure one oil filter is 24011 (the 99.9% efficiency one) compared to the pf47 which is a purolator 10111 or something like that

Redog

01-02-2011, 11:12 PM

C2;570345']They're at O'Reilly's only as far as I've ever seen. But who goes there?

We don't have O'Reilly's here

XanderWiFi

01-02-2011, 11:14 PM

i ran the pf52 for years, now i run the amsoil equivalent to the pf52.

How much oil do you use when you do an oil change? I think I am going to buy some of these online for my next oil change.

cherrington17

01-02-2011, 11:23 PM

I've been using pf52 for a few years. Normally just use a full 5 Quarts.

Redog

01-02-2011, 11:28 PM

The PF52 is just 1/4 of a quart larger.

I've been already using 5 quarts with the 47 filters ;)

jabartram

01-02-2011, 11:35 PM

How much oil do you use when you do an oil change? I think I am going to buy some of these online for my next oil change.

5 qrts

XanderWiFi

01-03-2011, 11:18 AM

The PF52 is just 1/4 of a quart larger.

I've been already using 5 quarts with the 47 filters ;)

5 qrts

I have doing the same with the 47s as well. Peachy keen don't have to change a thing then. I'm excited to see how this works. Saw some on amazon.com last night. Don't plan on going to a dealer so we will see what deals are available online.

I still really want to try that K&N filter on autoanything but it does not seem productive to use a 20$ filter...

jabartram

01-03-2011, 11:28 AM

i changed from k&n to Amsoil.

Cliff8928

01-03-2011, 01:53 PM

I have doing the same with the 47s as well. Peachy keen don't have to change a thing then. I'm excited to see how this works. Saw some on amazon.com last night. Don't plan on going to a dealer so we will see what deals are available online.

I still really want to try that K&N filter on autoanything but it does not seem productive to use a 20$ filter...

The K&N and a few different kinds of synthetic oil is on sale for 29.99 at AutoZone right now.

Redog

01-04-2011, 12:37 AM

I'm just wondering if the 52 will be OK to use on Mom's Cavy and still use only 4 quarts of oil :ninja:

Redog

01-08-2011, 12:42 AM

HA HA HA I looked up Wix filters just for shits and giggles and there is an auto parts supplier within 5 minute walking distance from my house that sells them :lol:

robalero

01-08-2011, 08:21 AM

see now go buy that one lol

Redog

01-17-2011, 09:37 PM

Update::

I drove by the place that "sold" the filters. Turns out I found a machine shop with an engine dyno and everything within 5 minutes walking from my house, but in no means a retail store.

So I looked at the Wix web site again, found this little "rinky dink" store in Feasterville-Trevose, PA that sells Wix filters so I stopped by on my way to the mall. There was 5 51040 size filters on the shelf. They look to be constructed very well so I'm happy. I'm going to be changing my oil on Wednesday after I do the water pump (too damn cold out to do it today, when Wednesday's going to be 40*) if I feel up to it. I'm doing this after work, so it depends on how I feel. I might just change the oil first, then do the pump

-Alero-

01-18-2011, 02:14 AM

i noticed a slight amount of low end sluggishness, with that filer. if i recall its the filter that comes in the 3800's, and i usually got the mobil-1 M-101 and tried the M-201 (longer).....it just didnt feel right...my engine was very sensitive as well, i could feel if i had too much oil in the engine, or too little......and with that longer filter, the engine just barely had a laggy feel to it.

im sure it filtered just fine though.

robalero

01-18-2011, 05:24 AM

I think you were just thinking that in your head. the filter will do no performance gains or loss to your car

-Alero-

01-18-2011, 06:09 PM

I think you were just thinking that in your head. the filter will do no performance gains or loss to your car

no i wasnt "thinking that in my head", remember how the filter is longer, so you have to have more oil, which is no different than over filling your crankcase. meaning there is a larger pool of oil at the bottom of your oil pan, so whenever your crankshaft splashes and sloshes through a larger amount of oil, you better believe there is parasitic properties there. Wet sump ..... think about it.....wet sump

robalero

01-18-2011, 06:58 PM

I cant see that much of a difference over .2 litre's of oil even if that

-Alero-

01-18-2011, 07:34 PM

well on an LA1 engine that doesnt require a large amount of oil capacity (4.5qt is not alot). increasing to 5 quarts will have an influence.....minimal but definitely an influence.

theres quite a few engines that are far smaller than 3.4Liters and require alot more oil. so if you think about an engine such as a 4.2 fsi v8, requiring 11 qts of oil and you over filling it with .5qts, there wont be nearly as much of an noticeable affect compared to some engine that might require 3.5 quarts and over filling .5qts.

basically the larger the oil capacity the less noticeable a small over fill will be, but the smaller a oil capacity the more noticeable a small over fill would be.

now when i was running that 3800 oil filter i was advised to increase capacity by .5 qts, if it was only supposed to be increased by .25qts then that could of been my fault and that would portray a more apparent drag on the engine.

robalero

01-18-2011, 07:36 PM

I kinda see were your going with it.

my 2.4L takes 4.5L of oil. I use an Auto-Xtra 613-51042 filter ( its the smaller one )

-Alero-

01-18-2011, 07:56 PM

i mean when it probably comes down to it.....the engine was engineered at certain specifications, and the oil filter is a certain size for a reason as well with the oil capacity.....efficiency might be the word, i dont really know.

but just cause it fits, doesnt mean its always better, its kind of like a proceed at your own risk thing, and since no one has reported any problems (that ive seen), some might believe they dont have anything to lose.....or gain with this oil filter.

i cant be the one to say which of the two is better, ive just kinda stated my opinion about it, since i gave this a shot on two oil changes, and really the only logic i can induce is the parasitic drag from the increased amount of oil in the sump. one thing that could probably cause an affect is a decrease in gas mileage.......and what i believe to be power loss.

Redog- have you been running 5 quarts for a while now? you dont have to do this for me but, once of these oil changes i suggest putting exactly 4.5qts in with the oem size filter, and let us know if you noticed a difference.

jayson_waltz

01-18-2011, 09:37 PM

lol .5 quart isnt gonna make much of a difference at all. the 52 is basically just easier if you do your own oil changes, you can just dump all 5 you buy in without worrying even tho the extra wouldnt even hurt on a 47. Smae with the 2.4, the 46 interchanges with the 61 in the same way.

Oh, and the only filters I would ever run are AC Delco, Motocraft, or Wix. ACD cause i've never seen any problem with the even with idiots and 7000 mile conventional changes, Motocraft cause I happen to own a Ford right now, and Wix just seem good. At work when we dnt have a ACD for a vehicle we call up town and get a Wix from someplace and use that.

Redog

01-19-2011, 12:51 AM

XanderWiFi

01-19-2011, 09:53 PM

I was putting in the 4.5 quarts of oil, until one day I watched my mech do an oil change on a GAGT and he put in 5 quarts.

I asked him about the extra 1/2 quart or pint of oil and he said that it doesn't make a difference. I've been buying the 5 quart jug at Walmart and been putting that in ever since.

Bottom line, one extra pint of oil isn't going to matter. An extra quart, then we can be talking about a problem

Similar situation. I've been using the 47 (or comparable version) and just put in 5 rather than measure out that last half. I believe it is 4.5 in the crankcase but then the filter and all other components are filled as well.

Redog

01-20-2011, 12:29 AM

Redog- have you been running 5 quarts for a while now? you dont have to do this for me but, once of these oil changes i suggest putting exactly 4.5qts in with the oem size filter, and let us know if you noticed a difference.

Wish I would have seen this. I just changed my oil this yesterday morning. I would have done it too

zzyzzx

01-20-2011, 08:53 AM

C2;569956']You can't just collectively call everything made in China shitty...

I can and do all the time. For the most part it's true.

zzyzzx

01-20-2011, 06:27 PM

Never seen a Wix filter. I guess they just don't sell them in this part of the country

Might be special order from most places or call around.

Or just add one to your next Rock Auto order.

Redog

01-21-2011, 12:43 AM

Found a store just outside the city that sells them, in fact, it's the only kind of filters they sell. Oil, air, etc.

Plus this is one thing I like to look at BEFORE I buy. Make sure the seal is in good shape and after the Walmart problem a few months ago, make sure it's not used :eek:

Plus when I was changing my oil and water pump on Wednesday, I found out that horrible ticking sound wasn't my valves, or a header leak, but the probe for my old EGT gauge was ripped out. Don't know how yet, but I saw it hanging down from the front of the car. (Probe is in the back by the firewall :eek: )

zzyzzx

01-21-2011, 08:49 AM

Found a store just outside the city that sells them, in fact, it's the only kind of filters they sell. Oil, air, etc.

Plus this is one thing I like to look at BEFORE I buy. Make sure the seal is in good shape and after the Walmart problem a few months ago, make sure it's not used :eek:

I would really recommend buying any filters at Walmart. I won't even buy Motorcraft filters at Walmart any more (for my Ford). Purolators are better and readily available, plenty cheap enough elsewhere.