Starting my Alero build need helpon what to get! [Archive]

Hellfire5670

10-27-2011, 04:57 AM

a.graham52

10-27-2011, 07:04 AM

puta 350 in it...

Shiwnath

10-27-2011, 08:10 AM

kwhauck

10-27-2011, 10:16 AM

You should probably start by buying my OSV kit.

[ion] C2

10-27-2011, 10:17 AM

You should probably start by buying my OSV kit.
No, I'm getting your OSV kit. :panic:

Black_Mamba

10-27-2011, 10:28 AM

You should probably start by buying my OSV kit.

Pics and a price?

Black_Mamba

10-27-2011, 10:30 AM

So my alero is pretty stock and i have seen everything people have done to the aleros on this site and wanna do what everyone else does... just a bit different what are some easy things i could do to the car to look run sound perform better i wanna fix the drl but im not sure how to turn low and high beams on for night driving (or if its legal) Point me in the right direction please!

Im not to sure on the four bangers, but with my 3.4, I got a 30 dollar cone filter from autozone and you could hear and feel the pick up alot better. Start off with that and I gaurentee you that you'll be impressed

[ion] C2

10-27-2011, 10:32 AM

Pics and a price?
You don't want it.

Im not to sure on the four bangers, but with my 3.6 [...]
You have a 3.6 in your Alero?

Black_Mamba

10-27-2011, 10:44 AM

C2;600153']You don't want it.

You have a 3.6 in your Alero?

3.4 ** typo sorry :drunk: & why dont i want it?

kwhauck

10-27-2011, 12:03 PM

cuz he wants it.....lol

billytheman1188

10-27-2011, 12:04 PM

nevermind

Black_Mamba

10-27-2011, 12:07 PM

cuz he wants it.....lol

im sure alot of people want it lol. know where i could get another one then?

Hellfire5670

10-27-2011, 12:28 PM

Most people start if with an intake, exhaust and maybe even headers... What are you thinking of doing? Theres other stuff you can do if you're willing to go the extra mile such as ported intake manifolds, ported heads, cams, etc..it all depends on your budget and what you know under the hood.

Also, why is this posted in Alero appearance when you're talking about a build. You are talking about an engine build right?

just thought i would put it in here since i wanted advice on easy appearance mods like the drl, but im planning on getting a cold air intake, full 2.5" exhaust and headers and also cams and pree much build my engine up from what i can do without taking it out... ( I wont have a winch till next year) Glad i came to this site before blowing $$$ on "chips" Noob mistake S:

kwhauck

10-27-2011, 12:47 PM

and also cams

Cams? do you have a 4 banger?

xXManwhoreXx

10-27-2011, 02:46 PM

Gx member kyle

2.2 or 2.4

Than again... I have a gls

Shiwnath

10-27-2011, 03:11 PM

Gx member kyle

2.2 or 2.4

Than again... I have a gls

Doubt it. He posted in the 3400 specific MAF sensor thread so I'd assume 3400.

xXManwhoreXx

10-27-2011, 03:34 PM

Than he needs a tornado intake...... Duh

adam337

10-27-2011, 04:05 PM

Gx member kyle

2.2 or 2.4

Than again... I have a gls

The label under your name has nothing to do with what type of car you have. It's based off of the number of posts you have.

spc2125

10-27-2011, 04:10 PM

The label under your name has nothing to do with what type of car you have. It's based off of the number of posts you have.

wait, seriously?

a.graham52

10-27-2011, 04:23 PM

wait, seriously?

correct

spc2125

10-27-2011, 04:49 PM

So how does it work?
which is least? which is most?

Hellfire5670

10-27-2011, 05:19 PM

So how does it work?
which is least? which is most?

.... this wasn't the question -.-

And a tornado kit? O:
im pree sure the engine is push rod?
maybe im wrong.. that's why im here (:
i just need help with everything! :D

spc2125

10-27-2011, 05:34 PM

.... this wasn't the question -.-

And a tornado kit? O:
im pree sure the engine is push rod?
maybe im wrong.. that's why im here (:
i just need help with everything! :D

well if your looking into appearance mods. if your ever curious about how something will look. try it with "plasti-dip" first

mfuller

10-27-2011, 05:36 PM

Everyone else is just messing with you.
What are your goals?
That will help us make proper recommendations.

Hellfire5670

10-27-2011, 06:49 PM

Everyone else is just messing with you.
What are your goals?
That will help us make proper recommendations.

My goal is to get headers intake and a exhaust first off but i wanna paint my car... i always liked the white on it but i always loved Green im not sure if i want a body kit or just stick with a different hood.. my car is fully stock except for the sound system i want to "sea foam" (clean) the engine and fully tune everything i just want to know what brands are the best and cheapest to mid price
First off i need a new fuel pump... seems like the alero built ones never last anyone so i want a aftermarket one to start off my build (: :canada:

Shiwnath

10-27-2011, 06:53 PM

Dont listen about that tornado crap it's useless. theres a lot people on this site that know their shit, but when it comes to helping newbs to make the right choice, they talk a whole bunch of shit which just wastes your time and wastes their time as well.

You're right, your 3400 has pushrods.. What kind of power are you trying to make? If i were you I would just do minor mods like a CAI, exhaust and headers for now..keep doing research and when you learn a bit more then you can aim a bit higher.

Hellfire5670

10-27-2011, 06:57 PM

im not a pro but i know a few things about cars and my alero im trying figure it out from top to bottom to learn what is proper for it i know i want to get a CAI and headers and exhaust i wanted then for a while but im not sure whats good :S

spc2125

10-27-2011, 07:29 PM

First MOD : CLEAR YOUR CORNERS. THEN TINT WINDOWS
performance mods first (intake, headers, exhaust)
THEN (suspension) lowering springs, struts, rear/front strut bars
THEN looks. rims. body kit/paint

Shiwnath

10-27-2011, 08:23 PM

for a cold air intake this will do:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/00-02-04-05-GRAND-AM-Alero-V6-COLD-AIR-INTAKE-3p-K-N-/330503152939?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &hash=item4cf385e52b

For headers, Pacesetter makes low cost headers for our cars:

http://wot-tech.com/shop/gm-60v6/pacesetter-99-05-grand-am-headers/prod_296.html
If you're feeling up to spending the extra money on quality headers, then you'd want these:
http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=9905GA3400headers

For exhaust, you can go get something custom fabbed at any competant exhaust shop. Magnaflow is a decent brand. If you feel like spending $1000, Borla makes a full exhaust system for the Grand Am that can also fit on our cars as well.

Hellfire5670

10-27-2011, 09:35 PM

alright thanks! of course im getting the CAI first i love the sound of the V6 how much do you think someone would charge for straight 2.5? or would you not recommend that? i wanna go on sound and performance so :S
And i still need a fuel pump to ever run my car :S

JLw7123

10-27-2011, 10:32 PM

Well if you wand sound make sure to spend the money on quality system also parts from the grand am fit. Do u have plans on getting rims and lowering ur car

Hellfire5670

10-27-2011, 10:51 PM

Well if you wand sound make sure to spend the money on quality system also parts from the grand am fit. Do u have plans on getting rims and lowering ur car

Yes! after the body kit im lowering it. I'm getting rims as soon as the snow melts so i have lots of time to save up and pick some nice ones out... but i have no idea how much lowering springs will be :S

billytheman1188

10-27-2011, 10:53 PM

If you feel like spending $1000, Borla makes a full exhaust system for the Grand Am that can also fit on our cars as well.

750-800 :)

tw0123

10-27-2011, 11:03 PM

750-800 :)

ya ya ya... up here in canada we pay more... especially for shipping and cross border duty fees :canada:

a.graham52

10-28-2011, 07:11 AM

iv had no issues with fuel pumps in either of my cars. one of them was pushings 180k miles...

Shiwnath

10-28-2011, 08:26 AM

For lowering springs and struts, you can find them here:
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/Susptabl.jsp?autoMake=Pontiac&autoModel=Grand+Am+SE+Sedan&autoYear=2000&autoModClar=

H&R Springs + KYB AGX Struts are supposed to be a really good combination. In case you didn't know, the 1999-2005 Pontiac Grand Am shared the same chassis as the Alero and is almost identical when it comes to mechanical parts... If you're looking for parts on your Alero and can't find anything, try searching for Grand Am parts.

Hellfire5670

10-28-2011, 03:22 PM

Shiwnath

10-28-2011, 03:38 PM

well for suspension its gonna cost me $1,142.47
well then... welp only around 100 for the cai and 400 for the headers so thats not bad ill go to the junk yard and see if i can find a trashed grand am... are the engines the same also? could i buy this exhaust http://saskatoon.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-other-parts-accessories-10-length-of-3-exhaust-W0QQAdIdZ318889264 and get some parts and put it on?

Yeah the engines are the same. They offered the 2.4 and 3.4 from 1999-2001 and the 2.2 and 3.4 in 2002+...im not sure if that exhaust will work when it comes to fitting your car. Also the exhaust piping is way too big and will cause you to lose more power than you gain because you need backpressure.

Hellfire5670

10-28-2011, 03:49 PM

Yeah the engines are the same. They offered the 2.4 and 3.4 from 1999-2001 and the 2.2 and 3.4 in 2002+...im not sure if that exhaust will work when it comes to fitting your car. Also the exhaust piping is way too big and will cause you to lose more power than you gain because you need backpressure.

yea thats what i was thinking maybe ill look for some 2.5" and make it my self or find one at the junk yard on a grand am... maybe even a alero (doubt it) Used parts ftw i really don't wanna spend a grand on exhaust
what about the pace setter exhaust.. it doesn't look like much but is it any good?
and now i want a Eaton M62 supercharger... mmm
Would a 3800 GTP engine fit in the 3400 alero?
and now i want a turbo... :S what is the cheapest xD

Shiwnath

10-28-2011, 07:09 PM

yea thats what i was thinking maybe ill look for some 2.5" and make it my self or find one at the junk yard on a grand am... maybe even a alero (doubt it) Used parts ftw i really don't wanna spend a grand on exhaust
what about the pace setter exhaust.. it doesn't look like much but is it any good?
and now i want a Eaton M62 supercharger... mmm
Would a 3800 GTP engine fit in the 3400 alero?
and now i want a turbo... :S what is the cheapest xD

LOL Ambitious are we? The 3800 supercharger WILL NOT fit on the 3400s.. Theres the super rare Magnuson M62 kit that fits out engine but there is only 18 in existence.

The only turbo kit that you can buy is made my Milzy Motorsports. It costs somewhere around $4000.

Pacesetter is known for rusting from what I recall, but they sound decent.

Hellfire5670

10-28-2011, 11:15 PM

LOL Ambitious are we? The 3800 supercharger WILL NOT fit on the 3400s.. Theres the super rare Magnuson M62 kit that fits out engine but there is only 18 in existence.

The only turbo kit that you can buy is made my Milzy Motorsports. It costs somewhere around $4000.

Pacesetter is known for rusting from what I recall, but they sound decent.

if i do recall there is a turbo on one of the aleros at the junk yard... maybe ill harvest that
and what about a engine swap from 3400 to 3800? will it fit?

[ion] C2

10-28-2011, 11:16 PM

if i do recall there is a turbo on one of the aleros at the junk yard... maybe ill harvest that
Highly unlikely. Take pictures for us.

and what about a engine swap from 3400 to 3800? will it fit?
Yes..

http://www.monchar.com/images/members/564300/564290_67850.jpg

Hellfire5670

10-28-2011, 11:22 PM

C2;600299']Highly unlikely. Take pictures for us.

Yes..

http://www.monchar.com/images/members/564300/564290_67850.jpg

i shall if i go out there and if its worth that much then ooo
but maybe ill just get a GTP engine

Shiwnath

10-29-2011, 12:13 AM

i shall if i go out there and if its worth that much then ooo
but maybe ill just get a GTP engine

The GTP engine doesnt just swap right in... It takes a lot a skill and knowledge to get one it work in our cars.

Black_Mamba

10-29-2011, 11:22 AM

Cams for a 3400 alero? :wacko:

Shiwnath

10-29-2011, 11:27 AM

Cams for a 3400 alero? :wacko:

Yes...cams. Two places to buy from:

http://wot-tech.com/shop/valvetrain/cat_100.html

or

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=3x00camNA_cast

Black_Mamba

10-29-2011, 12:15 PM

Yes...cams. Two places to buy from:

http://wot-tech.com/shop/valvetrain/cat_100.html

or

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=3x00camNA_cast

I didnt know that thanks for the links

Shiwnath

10-29-2011, 12:27 PM

Black_Mamba

10-29-2011, 01:22 PM

No prob, if you're looking for 3400 parts, those two site are the best place to get them from. they offer awesome stuff like ported intake manifolds, larger throttle bodies, ported heads, cam, pistons. You can basically rebuild your engine from ground up from the parts from one of those sites. WOT-Tech is more favored on this site, but I don't see a problem with what Milzy offers.

Yeah I just spent the past half hour or so looking through MMS's site. Deffenitly gonna save up and start my build around feb or march after winters long and gone. WOT-tech is alright too but im favoring MMS a little more but thats just my opinion. I dont have a problem with either of them :coolio:

Gr1m

10-29-2011, 02:25 PM

from personal experience i would order my parts through WOT. just my 2 cents.

kwhauck

10-29-2011, 07:00 PM

Numbers and customer service mean wot-tech>mms by a LONG shot.....

xXManwhoreXx

10-30-2011, 11:18 AM

Im not going to start a fight here but wot tech sucks

Hellfire5670

10-30-2011, 11:47 AM

The GTP engine doesnt just swap right in... It takes a lot a skill and knowledge to get one it work in our cars.

i know its going to take a lot of work... i have gone engine swaps b4 and i know im going to need the ecu and everything else that comes the a 3800 is there anything else i need to know?

Shiwnath

10-30-2011, 12:15 PM

Im not going to start a fight here but wot tech sucks

Yeah, but you can't just say WOT-Tech sucks without backing it up. Is there a particular reason why? Have you ordered parts from WOT-Tech or MMS?

Also it doesn't matter if you're not trying to start a fight, you're still going to get flamed for it.

EDIT:
i know its going to take a lot of work... i have gone engine swaps b4 and i know im going to need the ecu and everything else that comes the a 3800 is there anything else i need to know?

The Stock 4T45 transmission that comes with the 3400s aren't designed to handle a lot of power. The supercharged 3800 come with a 4T65-HD transmission that can handle much more power than the 4T45. So If you're doing an engine swap you should also be doing a transmission swap so your transmission doesn't fail. Also there is more aftermarket parts available for the 4T65-HD as well.
MMS has a tranny swap kit available. It has a list of the parts that are needed, but you may be able to find some of the parts for less elsewhere:
http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=4t45to65conv

kwhauck

10-30-2011, 10:32 PM

Im not going to start a fight here but wot tech sucks

You are just still mad about the headers, suck it up pansy......

Hellfire5670

10-30-2011, 11:31 PM

The Stock 4T45 transmission that comes with the 3400s aren't designed to handle a lot of power. The supercharged 3800 come with a 4T65-HD transmission that can handle much more power than the 4T45. So If you're doing an engine swap you should also be doing a transmission swap so your transmission doesn't fail. Also there is more aftermarket parts available for the 4T65-HD as well.
MMS has a tranny swap kit available. It has a list of the parts that are needed, but you may be able to find some of the parts for less elsewhere:
http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=4t45to65conv

so i need this kit right? Or could i just get other parts?

Shiwnath

10-30-2011, 11:44 PM

so i need this kit right? Or could i just get other parts?

You dont need this kit, but it makes everything a lot easier because it's the only all-in-one solution.

For the bare minimum, I would say you would atleast need the transmission mounts which can be bought without having to buy the whole entire kit.

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=TransMounts_N-body4t65eConv

Maybe even the axles as well:

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=Nbody4t65eAxles

Just realize that doing a 3800 swap is going to cost a lot of money and you're probably better off just beefing up the 3400. Let's say you spend 7 grand doing all this work.. thats 7 grand you could have put into the 3400 and make it much more faster than a stock sc'd 3800

guiguilandry

10-31-2011, 12:00 AM

ha, I love when someone put pictures of my car... it makes me a little proud... Doing this swap is very costly and time consuming... that is unique for sure and that is not the best bang for your buck if you leave the 3800 stock, believe me, to get this going under 5grand you gotta do it all yourself (pretty intensive wiring, new plate and tube frame a bigger exhaust and something to manage the engine vital parameter... the gauges arent there only for showoff... nones of the stock gauge work with the 3800 pcm, new axles, bigger radiator, better front brakes, custom engine mount, custom P/S lines, custom everything, etc...

Doable, yes
But you gotta be as crazy as me to do it....

xXManwhoreXx

10-31-2011, 07:18 AM

You are just still mad about the headers, suck it up pansy......

Hell yea im mad about the headers.... Milzy announced them than made them, wot tech announced them...... Years ago and still hasnt done anything

03Sleepr

10-31-2011, 08:25 AM

Hell yea im mad about the headers.... Milzy announced them than made them, wot tech announced them...... Years ago and still hasnt done anything

I could announce that I'm making headers and have a set done in a matter of days..doesn't mean they will be worth a damn..I'd rather wait a little while for some tested and proven headers than throw money at the first thing that comes along.

Hellfire5670

10-31-2011, 01:01 PM

You dont need this kit, but it makes everything a lot easier because it's the only all-in-one solution.

For the bare minimum, I would say you would atleast need the transmission mounts which can be bought without having to buy the whole entire kit.

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=TransMounts_N-body4t65eConv

Maybe even the axles as well:

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MMS&Product_Code=Nbody4t65eAxles

Just realize that doing a 3800 swap is going to cost a lot of money and you're probably better off just beefing up the 3400. Let's say you spend 7 grand doing all this work.. thats 7 grand you could have put into the 3400 and make it much more faster than a stock sc'd 3800

ahhhh i see now my friend was pretty confident about getting a GTP and throwing it in my car hahaha ima have to tell him everything you told me xD
i guess ill just do up the engine maybe if i get the cash ill get the 3800 but right now ima get stuff for the 3400

Shiwnath

10-31-2011, 01:33 PM

ahhhh i see now my friend was pretty confident about getting a GTP and throwing it in my car hahaha ima have to tell him everything you told me xD
i guess ill just do up the engine maybe if i get the cash ill get the 3800 but right now ima get stuff for the 3400

Also, IIRC the 3800 is also a heavier engine so that's going to be another drawback. Lol you cant be confident with out knowing what's really required and how much money is going to be spent doing the swap and getting it to run properly. If you bought something like this:

http://wot-tech.com/shop/gm-60v6/3400-stage-3-performance-package/prod_322.html

You'd probably be able to dust a stock GTP no prob.

Hellfire5670

10-31-2011, 01:44 PM

Also, IIRC the 3800 is also a heavier engine so that's going to be another drawback. Lol you cant be confident with out knowing what's really required and how much money is going to be spent doing the swap and getting it to run properly. If you bought something like this:

http://wot-tech.com/shop/gm-60v6/3400-stage-3-performance-package/prod_322.html

You'd probably be able to dust a stock GTP no prob.

what kinda HP would the kit give? it seems to be worth it how long would it take to do it myself with a friends help? we're both experienced at doing engine builds

Shiwnath

10-31-2011, 02:00 PM

what kinda HP would the kit giv? it seems to be worth it how long would it take to do it myself with a friends help? we're both experienced at doing engine builds

Not sure how long it would take tbh. As for HP contact Ben at WOT-Tech. I remember when he posted on 60degreev6.com he posted 3 different kits: a budget kit, a performance kit and a high performance kit. I think his stage 3 kit on WOT-Tech's website is a variant of the high performance build he posted on the 60degreev6.com forums.. When i asked how much hp it was capable of he said something around 100. Contact him as this kit i think is slightly different so the numbers may or may not be the same.

Hellfire5670

10-31-2011, 02:09 PM

Not sure how long it would take tbh. As for HP contact Ben at WOT-Tech. I remember when he posted on 60degreev6.com he posted 3 different kits: a budget kit, a performance kit and a high performance kit. I think his stage 3 kit on WOT-Tech's website is a variant of the high performance build he posted on the 60degreev6.com forums.. When i asked how much hp it was capable of he said something around 100. Contact him as this kit i think is slightly different so the numbers may or may not be the same.

thanks (: also i seen something about a 3500? do you know what that is? is it just upgrading the engine?

Shiwnath

10-31-2011, 02:14 PM

thanks (: also i seen something about a 3500? do you know what that is? is it just upgrading the engine?

LX9 3500 = our 3400s but redesigned.

Stock vs stock the intake manifolds and the cylinder heads are a more superior design than our intake manifolds and cylinder heads. Switching to them increases how much air is capable of flowing into your engine.. You dont really want to swap the 3500 upper intake manifold onto our cars because its more of a hassle then it is worth. I dont think the 3500 upper intake manifold increases horsepower just broadens the powerband.

Edit:
Read this for easier understanding: http://wot-tech.com/shop/articles/3400/3500-hybrid/cat_104.html