Racing

[FutureEcotecOwnerAgain]

just give the type of car you raced and what the outcome was

[FormulaNERD]

ehh, you're looking to get flamed if you're talkin about street racing man...

[FutureEcotecOwnerAgain]

what do you mean? I aint trying to start anything. sorry for that post.

[wy3134]

hey man, theres an anything off topic forum which this would be better for, could a mod move it?

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by wy3134@Sep 1 2004, 04:03 AM
hey man, theres an anything off topic forum which this would be better for, could a mod move it?
or maybe the at the track forum?

[doubleN0alero]

i'm assuming you're talking about track races..so we'll just move this one to the track forum. and who the hell you burnin in a 2.2?

[b-spot]

^ obviously someone who doesn't know poop about the 2.2 :rolleyes:

[Redog]

Not a good way to start posting on Aleromod :rolleyes:

[Daytona]

^Not with the B-Spot manning the keyboard.

[b-spot]

lol.. just tryin to keep everyone in line here B)

[MikeSS]

You can "burn" quite a few cars with the 2.2 after a few mods, I hate people ragging on the 4 cyl just cause they assume it should be slow.....two words, less weight.

[Sundayalero]

Originally posted by MAlero@Sep 1 2004, 02:31 PM
You can "burn" quite a few cars with the 2.2 after a few mods, I hate people ragging on the 4 cyl just cause they assume it should be slow.....two words, less weight.
Yep. A whopping 58lbs. :rolleyes:

[b-spot]

To Quote MAalero's sig: 2003 2 Dr. 2.2L 5-Speed. 1/4 Mile = 15.46 @ 89.03MPH


Whats your best 1/4 sunday alero??

[Sundayalero]

Umm, don't know. I have not been to a track since I've had the Alero.

But, my point was not to say that the 2.2 is slow (i've never driven one), more that I did not think that 58lbs. would make that much of a difference.

[b-spot]

Someone posted the block weight differences between the 3400 and the ECOTEC... (final reality?) I searched and couldn't find the exact numbers but it was in the 100's of pounds. Plus a manual tranny is lighter than an auto. I'm not sure why the curb weights are listed at a 58lb difference to tell you the truth.

[Youngblood77]

Interesting. That said, I gotta think a 4 banger would be the car to have, IF the aftermarket support was better... The 4's make almost as much power as the 3.4's stock, just not near as much torque, right? :huh:

[Redog]

/\/\ Yes

[Youngblood77]

I wouldn't mind the 4 banger's gas mileage either. ;)

[Sundayalero]

/\/\/\ Or manual tranny...

[b-spot]

^ until your stuck in rush hour traffic going up a hill, then you wish you had an auto again :) Although the workout my left leg gets in these cases is very beneficial.

[FutureEcotecOwnerAgain]

lets see here doule0alero, an eclipse, a civic ex, and a kia sephia which really isnt nothin, but those are a few.

[FormulaNERD]

ok, first of all, i'm pretty much completely against street racing... but tonight this really really white guy wearin BCG's (jackal knows what i'm talking about) was in a newer camaro, exhaust sounded good... well anyways, he was a few car lengths behind me, and i'm guessing he heard my exhaust, cause he went from about 25 (in a 25) behind me, and just sped past me.... well we came up to a stop light, and i just gunned it, we were pretty much head to head, then he went to shift for second, i pulled away, and waved obnoxiously back at him.... we come back to another light, sit there for a min, he looks at me all funny like, and now i didnt see the cop at the time, but i decided i already beat him, made him look like an ass, and didnt want him to regain any self esteem or whatever he planned on doin, so it turns green, and i accellerate normally, and he takes off like a bat out of hell, the speed limit is 25, and turns 15 almost immediately after the light, well needless to say there was an MP there waiting for him. it was so great.

[MikeSS]

Someone posted the block weight differences between the 3400 and the ECOTEC... (final reality?) I searched and couldn't find the exact numbers but it was in the 100's of pounds. Plus a manual tranny is lighter than an auto. I'm not sure why the curb weights are listed at a 58lb difference to tell you the truth.

Yeah, I know. But '03 GX coupe is listed at 2888lbs, the GLS 4-Door was over 3100LBS, out of the facotry, and I only got two options (15' rims, power drivers seat) which didn't add much weight if any. Plus losing the stock exhaust saves a bit of weight. And loses aal of that fender well stock air box crap probably saved some weight which I just gained back with the CAI.

Interesting. That said, I gotta think a 4 banger would be the car to have, IF the aftermarket support was better... The 4's make almost as much power as the 3.4's stock

It's coming.......slowly.... <_<

until your stuck in rush hour traffic going up a hill, then you wish you had an auto again Although the workout my left leg gets in these cases is very beneficial.

LOL!!!! You must be an urban commuter too. :lol: Man, driving from the Burbs into Toronto and back everyday in rush hour traffic is not fun.....I'll get lazy and not want to shift, so I am just cruising in traffic at 25MPH on the highway in 2nd gear while everyone gives me dirty looks for the noise coming from the exhaust/high RPM combo.

[Crolero]

Originally posted by b-spot@Sep 1 2004, 09:53 PM
^ until your stuck in rush hour traffic going up a hill, then you wish you had an auto again :) Although the workout my left leg gets in these cases is very beneficial.
i get confused sometimes. i drive my alero (auto) to work in the morning then get into my company car witch is a nissan primera station wagon (stick), drive all day around the city up and down hills. i get back into my alero going home and im constatly reaching for the clutch.

[MikeSS]

Originally posted by Crolero+Sep 2 2004, 09:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Crolero @ Sep 2 2004, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-b-spot@Sep 1 2004, 09:53 PM
^ until your stuck in rush hour traffic going up a hill, then you wish you had an auto again :) Although the workout my left leg gets in these cases is very beneficial.
i get confused sometimes. i drive my alero (auto) to work in the morning then get into my company car witch is a nissan primera station wagon (stick), drive all day around the city up and down hills. i get back into my alero going home and im constatly reaching for the clutch. [/b][/quote]
LOL, I work for a rental car comapny, and when I ever I have to move a car, I do the same thing.

[noodle]

FormulaNERD, Thats not a street racing story is it? May I remind you of this section's posting rules http://invision.aleromod.com/index.php?showtopic=124


Originally posted by "Big Poppa Naich"
Aleromod.com does not condone or encourage street racing. Illegal street races are dangerous to yourselves and all the innocent bystanders you come in contact with. We have seen that posting street race stories leads to unnecessary debating and flame wars....

Also about weight. If I remember correctly with 2 even cars, a 400lbs difference is like a .10 of a second faster. And my '99 GL2 3.4L 2dr is listed at 2989 or somewhere around there sothe 2.2 does not have that much of a weight difference to make up for difference of power.

[MikeSS]

Originally posted by noodle@Sep 2 2004, 09:40 AM
Also about weight. If I remember correctly with 2 even cars, a 400lbs difference is like a .10 of a second faster. And my '99 GL2 3.4L 2dr is listed at 2989 or somewhere around there sothe 2.2 does not have that much of a weight difference to make up for difference of power.
I heard 100LBS = .10, meh, who knows. And thats is one light GL2, you must fly in the 1/4

[b-spot]

^ something tells me he wouldn't take your times though.

Lol.. all these v6 owners trying to convince themselves they made the right choice :drink:

[Daytona]

There's no replacement for displacement. :thumbsup:

[b-spot]

Yes there is. Forced induction.

[Sundayalero]

Forced induction V6... Mmmmm Sweeeeet....

[MikeSS]

Originally posted by b-spot@Sep 2 2004, 11:33 AM
Yes there is. Forced induction.
LOL, yup, and having more gears you get to fully control :)

[Sundayalero]

Originally posted by MAlero+Sep 2 2004, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MAlero @ Sep 2 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-b-spot@Sep 2 2004, 11:33 AM
Yes there is. Forced induction.
LOL, yup, and having more gears you get to fully control :) [/b][/quote]
Argh! Low blow! :lol:

[FormulaNERD]

Grr, double post... Damn cell phone.

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by noodle+Sep 2 2004, 02:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (noodle @ Sep 2 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> FormulaNERD, Thats not a street racing story is it? May I remind you of this section's posting rules http://invision.aleromod.com/index.php?showtopic=124


<!--QuoteBegin-"Big Poppa Naich"
Aleromod.com does not condone or encourage street racing. Illegal street races are dangerous to yourselves and all the innocent bystanders you come in contact with. We have seen that posting street race stories leads to unnecessary debating and flame wars.... [/b][/quote]
Bah, everyone and their mom guns it at a stoplight.

Besides, I was on private property. And a race of 0 to 30mph isn't exactly dangerous.

[Daytona]

You can add all types of "forced induction" setups on a larger engine and get more net increase in power on the bigger motor than a similar set up on the smaller engine.

[b-spot]

Originally posted by Daytona@Sep 2 2004, 02:52 PM
You can add all types of "forced induction" setups on a larger engine and get more net increase in power on the bigger motor than a similar set up on the smaller engine.
Tell that to this guy:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040204/sp3.jpg

He doesn't even need forced induction, and somehow his 3.0 smokes your 3.4. I guess displacement has been replaced.

People who feed you the "no replacement for displacement" sound like the golfers that refused to use metal woods. Afraid of technology.

[Daytona]

With what he did to that, I can get a 3.4 liter engine (a 305 cu in. in American terms) that'll smoke that motor. I don't see many Civics and Aleros running with that F1/Indy motor you show there. Know what is in several of the 8- and 9-second dragsters at my track? A 305 small block Chevy motor. It's been bored out and such but they all started as the same 305 that was originally in my Camaro.

I can get an 8-to-1 compression engine running relatively stock internals in a 305 and a similar 8:1 in a 350 and guess what? The 350 will win all the time (all else being equal with the cars).

Do the same "enhancement" to both a small engine and a big one and the bigger engine will win every time hands down. No need to fear technology. That Indy-type racer you show there is not a stock motor at all. It may not have add-ons like a blower or nitrous, but it's far from what you'd call a stock engine. Make the same upgrades to a 350 and you get? = a NASCAR Cup Car. Make the Cup Car as light as the Indy car and all the Indy car will see of the Cup car is its taillights.

[b-spot]

Ok, who at your track could afford an F-1 motor? No one. Maybe thats why shockingly as you point out there are no civics running them yet :o

Do you also realize how many restrictions there are on F-1 engines/cars? As soon as you are allowed to boost one of those bad boys they will tear a new ass in every car you throw at it.

[Youngblood77]

that might be "just" a 3.0L motor, but it's replacement for displacement is revolutions. I'f I could turn my 3.4 @ 9,000 rpm and still make power, you can bet there'd be some kick-ass Alero's runnin around, THAT'S for sure. Comparing that indy car to our motors is like comparing apples to oranges, so-to-speak.

[b-spot]

Originally posted by Youngblood77@Sep 2 2004, 03:59 PM
Comparing that indy car to our motors is like comparing apples to oranges, so-to-speak.
That is assuming apples kicked the crap out of oranges.

[Youngblood77]

that's pretty much it, yup. lol

[b-spot]

lol

Just for reference, I'm not a hater on V6's. My dad was just car shopping and I told him to get anything with the Nissan V6 because that is one of the best production engines out right now. Trust me, I'd take that thing over my lil ecotec in a second.

[Sundayalero]

I think what Daytona is saying is that if you take the 3.0 F1 motor, versus an 3.4 F1 built engine... the 3.4 would put out more power.

Am I reading right Daytona?

[b-spot]

Well, yes, it does make since that a 239872394872342.3 L engine will destroy a 3.0 L. My point is, If I want lets say 170 HP, I'll take it out of a 2.0 L before a 4.0L because that means the 2.0 L is a more efficient engine. Effeciency is good. If I have plans of getting 800hp, i'll take the 4.0L me thinks. And if there was an 8.0L available makeing 800hp vs the 4.0 L making 800hp, i'll take the 4.0L. Thats all I'm saying. F1 cars don't need eleventy billion horsepower, or it gets too dangerous. Thats why they stick with the 3000cc max.

[Daytona]

I want eleventy billion horsepower! :eek:

Think I can fit enough stickers on my car to get there?

[MikeSS]

Originally posted by Daytona@Sep 3 2004, 06:46 AM
I want eleventy billion horsepower! :eek:

Think I can fit enough stickers on my car to get there?
Well if you badge your car

Oldsmobile VTEC Alero A-Spec GT-R-S V-Spec Supercharged Turbo Stage-II.......powered by Mugen-Nismo-TRD
theres your billion.

[b-spot]

^^ but now you need to multiply that by eleventy!

Thats were you start putting NOS stickers everywhere. If your not careful, those stickers could blow your body panels, but they're cheap power.

[ptrudel]

MAlero, that's a really good time for the eco...no way in hell would be 2.4 do that...unless i had a few lil mods maybe...but best i ran was a 16.1@87mph(with 18's, prolly next to no difference tho)

[MikeSS]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@Sep 3 2004, 11:14 AM
MAlero, that's a really good time for the eco...no way in hell would be 2.4 do that...unless i had a few lil mods maybe...but best i ran was a 16.1@87mph(with 18's, prolly next to no difference tho)
I did that with my 17's on :thumbsup:

Best I have gotten with my 15's is 15.54, 15.555, 15.556 etc....

I know, it weird, I think it is the lack of grip on my factory poop tires.