Are these the correct HID fog lights?

[Newlin]

I noticed the other night that one of my fog lights is out so I figured while I was getting a replacement I should get HIDs. Are these the correct ones?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/880-893-894-Xenon-White-HID-Kit-Replacement-Fog-Bulbs-/230841679875?hash=item35bf3c8003&item=230841679875&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr#ht_3545wt_1411

[Shiwnath]

894 Bulbs are what you need yes.. You need a ballast with that as well. You should buy them from DDM. They're larger company in the US that offers lifetime warranty. A lot of people on here that have HIDs are using these and have had very little issues. For the fogs, you're going to want the 35W ballast because it's a smaller enclosure.
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-HID-Kit-Slim-Ballast-35W-or-55W

[sleepyalero]

:agree:

[Newlin]

So I pick the 35w model, the 880/881 etc..., and then what do I want for the color? 6000k?

This can all be wired into the existing light enclosure then, correct?

[sleepyalero]

So I pick the 35w model, the 880/881 etc..., and then what do I want for the color? 6000k?

This can all be wired into the existing light enclosure then, correct?

yes they are plug n play, meaning hooks to stock plugs and blah blah blah....

color is up to you.... do you want more looks? or more for actually seeing at night?

i suggest 6000k or 8000k. 6k is best visibility but i got 8k in my headlights and love it.

[Newlin]

More for seeing at night. Deer are a bit of a problem where I live, though my fogs probably wont get much use since my brights will be on. (Which I should also get HIDs for)

[tw0123]

If you get hid's for your low beams and fog lights you probably wont use yiur high beams again...
Imho if you want visibility for night go with either 4300 or 5000k bulbs...

[Newlin]

Couldn't I just get HIDs for my high beams as well as the lows or is that redundant?

Are the 4300s yellow or not quite? I'd like to avoid that while still getting good lighting.

[colonel6632]

again. im rocking dual hids

6000k 35w low beams, 5000k 55w high beams. when on low beam, just the low beams are on, go to high beams, lows stay on, dont even flicker, then the high beams kick in. the low beams never flicker, or nothing. bright as hell

[Newlin]

Can you point me to what you bought specifically for that? And did you have to do additional wiring to get both headlights on at once?

[sleepyalero]

Can you point me to what you bought specifically for that? And did you have to do additional wiring to get both headlights on at once?

you need 9006 and 9007 hid kits. and yeah he made it to where both stay on at once.

[jhubbz]

If you are running HIDs in the fogs, the correct way to go is 3000k. Also only do 35w as a 55w would heat up too much in that small housing. Not a lot of people have it, but I strongly recommend the wiring harness for an HID kit. its an extra $15, but it will charge the ballast faster and won't risk frying the stock wiring. I used to run 35w 6000k in my lows and fogs and I loved it, but ended up switching to a different setup because the fog housing was cracked and leaking.

Here is my original setup:

http://i.imgur.com/h62PE.jpg

[Newlin]

again. im rocking dual hids

6000k 35w low beams, 5000k 55w high beams. when on low beam, just the low beams are on, go to high beams, lows stay on, dont even flicker, then the high beams kick in. the low beams never flicker, or nothing. bright as hell

I'm thinking that for down the road and then 4500k (Edit: 35 watt) for the fogs.

Do I need a wiring harness for each HID set of lights? Let me rephrase that, if I am going to use the HID harness do I need one for each set of lights?

Off topic, but I absolutely love you guys for the plethora of information and help I have at my finger tips.

[jhubbz]

If you decide to use wiring harnesses, yes you would need one harness per kit. ex, if you did your fogs, hi's and low's, you would need three harnesses. Again, they are not totally necessary, but I use them, and noticed immediately how quickly the ballasts charge since they are juiced directly from the battery.

[mfuller]

I also recommend a dedicated relay harness for HIDs.
One relay harness runs two ballasts. so if you're putting HIDs in your lo beams, you'll need one relay harness. HIDs in both low beams and fogs; two relay harnesses. HIDs in fogs, lows and highs? Don't be silly.
I have 3000K HIDs (35W) in my fogs.

[Newlin]

I also recommend a dedicated relay harness for HIDs.
One relay harness runs two ballasts. so if you're putting HIDs in your lo beams, you'll need one relay harness. HIDs in both low beams and fogs; two relay harnesses. HIDs in fogs, lows and highs? Don't be silly.
I have 3000K HIDs (35W) in my fogs.

Are the 3000k yellow in color? I'm trying to stay somewhat away from that while still maintaining the best lighting I can.

Is there anything else I should be worried about down the road after installing all three kits?

[xXManwhoreXx]

I would go with yellow hids because while they are not the brightest they offer the best night visibility, because on the light scale yellow makes it all the way through your retnea, while blue tends to sit on the iris and tires out your eye quicker

[JLw7123]

On my car now I have 3000k 35w for my fogs and they are great. I also have 6000k 35w and I plan to get 4300k highs. It I have the wiring harnesses.

[Newlin]

The 3000k seem to be pretty popular for the fogs, does anyone have pictures of how those look on their alero? That'd be great.

Not to take the thread off topic but I noticed in jhubbz's picture that he has a mesh screen over his lights and radiator and I was looking at mine which for some reason doesn't have that. I'm kind of worried since that would make it all too easy for a rock to come up and hit my radiator.

[03glgold]

that mesh is a mod...they didn't come with it from the factory

[Newlin]

That makes me feel a little better then.

[jhubbz]

I believe they are yellow bc white colors reflect off water particles more, thus reducing visibility. Thats why Ferrari's have yellow headlights when they race in bad weather. I think I remember alerobmxer having 3000k hids in the fogs

[xXManwhoreXx]

The blue'er/whiter you go, the longer the wave lenghths of the light, blue kind of hogs your vision, thats why we see the sky as blue

[Newlin]

3000k fogs then and 5000k lows as well as 4500k highs in the future then.

[sleepyalero]

that mesh is a mod...they didn't come with it from the factory

ive got it too, but its painted black lol

[Newlin]

I hate to bring this thread up again but do I need the mounting brackets on DMM Tuning? I'm about to order 35w 3000k HIDs and I'd like to make sure I have everything I need for the install.

[jhubbz]

Not necessarily. I just tucked my ballasts under my headlights. Main thing you want to do is keep it away from heavy water areas

[MiLo]

i was just wondering if these fog lights would need a ballast? http://www.amazon.com/37-5W-Light-Xenon-Stock-Yellow/dp/B008F06OCU
or these
http://www.amazon.com/Nokya-Arctic-Yellow-Headlight-Stage/dp/B0013J9R5G/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_2
or should i just go the ddm tuning route?

[mfuller]

i was just wondering if these fog lights would need a ballast? http://www.amazon.com/37-5W-Light-Xenon-Stock-Yellow/dp/B008F06OCU
or these
http://www.amazon.com/Nokya-Arctic-Yellow-Headlight-Stage/dp/B0013J9R5G/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_2
or should i just go the ddm tuning route?

No ballasts needed for those; they're aren't true HID.
Regular old filament bulbs.

[MiLo]

so ddm tuning it is!! thanks!

[MiLo]

ddm tuning offers 862/880/881/893/898/899... would this work even tho the bulb # is 894?

[mfuller]

You can use bulbs with an 880 base.
It's just a straight plug instead of the 894 bulb's 90 degree plug.

[02AleroGLS]

i was just wondering if these fog lights would need a ballast? http://www.amazon.com/37-5W-Light-Xenon-Stock-Yellow/dp/B008F06OCU
or these
http://www.amazon.com/Nokya-Arctic-Yellow-Headlight-Stage/dp/B0013J9R5G/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_2
or should i just go the ddm tuning route?

I have them exact same yellow bulbs and they look pretty well stock..

[Redog]

You can use bulbs with an 880 base.
It's just a straight plug instead of the 894 bulb's 90 degree plug.

I wouldn't use an 880 style bulb.

880's are 27 watts and the wiring in our cars is set up for 35 watts. I put 880's in my car a while ago and they only lasted 6 weeks

[mfuller]

I wouldn't use an 880 style bulb.

880's are 27 watts and the wiring in our cars is set up for 35 watts. I put 880's in my car a while ago and they only lasted 6 weeks

Perhaps I should clarify.
MiLo asked about 862/880/881/893/898/899 from DDM Tuning, so I interpreted that as wanting to use an 880-based bulb with HIDs.
I personally use 880-based bulbs with the HIDs in my foglights, and have not had any issues (had them for 4 years anyway).
If staying halogen, then yes, stick with a 894 bulb.

[MiLo]

sorry to get off subject, but i was told that the relay for fog lights was 5170 relay... what i have as my relay now in my fuse box on the passenger side dash is a 3412.... which one am i supposed to use?

[MiLo]

I have them exact same yellow bulbs and they look pretty well stock..

which one? i posted 2 links???

[Nas Escobar]

Couldn't I just get HIDs for my high beams as well as the lows or is that redundant?

Are the 4300s yellow or not quite? I'd like to avoid that while still getting good lighting.

4300 is the equivilent of the Halogen color.

3000k is the yellow you see ricer civics with. Before you go on and label yellow lights rice, the yellow in those lights actually help you see better at night. Long story short, you will see a lot more stuff at night, moreso when it rains as yellow does not reflect when it is raining.

As far as high beams with HID....don't do it. It's really not worth it. The problem with this is that HID lights aren't turn on and go, they need to be heated for them to work. This would negate the need of high beams in situations such as flashing someone or using the high beams for 5 or so seconds to get across a dark spot. Instead, I would recommend you get HIR lights. They're made by GE and are twice as bright as normal halogens.

Your high beam bulb is 9005, not 9007 as someone said. 9007 is the dual light that can be used in a single housing Stock Grand Am's come with 9007 whereas the Alero uses 9006 for the low beam and 9005 for the high.

[simonclay]

Listen to him ^^. He knows his stuff

[RalphP]

I wouldn't use an 880 style bulb.

880's are 27 watts and the wiring in our cars is set up for 35 watts. I put 880's in my car a while ago and they only lasted 6 weeks

I think you're a bit confused.

Wiring that properly supports 35 watts will do 27 watts just peachy keen. On the wiring side, that's a capability, not a forced-consumption item.

Exactly how do you think the wiring caused the lamps to quit?

Now - unrelated to what this, and to add to Nas - do consider that what makes our sky blue is the blue light being scattered by water vapor. That's one reason why you tend towards the yellow end for fog lights - if the light is too bluish, it'll reflect back into your eyes, causing the pupils to contract, and the light will ALSO not penetrate the fog well. 3000K is ideal for fog lights - 4300K is not bad. 10000K is pretty darn stupid for a fog light. (IMO for head lights also, for similar reasons, but eh.)

If you DO go HID for the high beams, DO consider a 4-light mod to get around the dwell time. Where I drive, the time to heat up HIDs isn't that big a deal for high beams since there's usually enough distance to get them nice and warm, but I've converted to HIRs at least partly to help keep a constant beam going.

Do also consider a good quality relay harness, so that you get better voltage to the bulbs.

RwP