Hid help

[Blackthunder99]

I'm About to buy my Hids from ddm tuning. I already have the relay for the 9006 bulb and I was going to get one for the fog light bulb 894 bulb does the relay really help much. Need help

[sleepyalero]

i just bought the hid kit itself, no error eliminator or anything like that, its just plug and play.

ive got the 8000k 35w Slim ballast HID kit from them. had it for about 2 years now with no problems.

[Blackthunder99]

I know they last long but should I get a relay for the fog light or not worth it

[sleepyalero]

umm im not sure on the fogs, i never got the hid fogs. someone will pop in and answer the question. but i doubt you need it.

[Blackthunder99]

I run with my fog on just has much has my headlights

[Papa Rad17]

there is a direct fit bulb number for the hids on here. little bit of searching you should find it. DO NOT run a 55w kit in the fogs, must be 35w. dont bother with them if you have cracked or leaky housing, you will just blow bulb after bulb.

[sleepyalero]

yeah 55w will melt the housing from what ive heard, or the wiring.

[RalphP]

Yes, do get the relay harness.

It NEVER hurts to have bigger wire to the lamps than the thin spaghetti stuff GM used factory.

RwP

[Blackthunder99]

The relay not a bigger wire it just hook to the batterie for my power right

[jhubbz]

First of all, it's a harness. Not a relay. Second of all, get it. Faster ballast charging, more reliable and less likely to blow a fuse. I have ran with and without harnesses, and I can tell you, it is definitely worth it.

[RalphP]

The relay not a bigger wire it just hook to the batterie for my power right

The RELAY? No wiring, you're right.

But hanging a relay in air does nothing - you'll need wire to interconnect everything.

So, the HARNESS with the relay - it SHOULD be bought with heavier gauge wire than factory.

THAT is where the advantage comes in.

Besides, you've got a relay in the wiring already ... it's right there in the underhood fuse block! Check your service manual (you DO have one, don't you? If not, GET ONE - Preferably a Helm manual, either new from www.helminc.com or used off eBay - used will claim to be a factory manual, it will be, since Helm did the printing for GM and others.)

RwP

[sleepyalero]

all you need is the kit and harness, plug it in, and go..

[HazMatt24]

I ran the ddm HIDs in my fogs and about half the time, one light wouldn't come on at start up, just had to turn the fogs off then back on and it was ok, but unless you are parked somewhere where you can see your reflection, you didn't know if it was on or off to start with unless you got out and looked.

[Blackthunder99]

I'm going to get the relay from ddm tuning with the fogs

My 9006 are going to be 4300k slim
My 894 are going to be 3000k slim

Any idea where to but the Ballast at so they don't get mass up and brake

[sleepyalero]

uhh, i would get 6000k or 8000k those are really best lighting.

the ballasts come with the kit.

[RalphP]

uhh, i would get 6000k or 8000k those are really best lighting.

the ballasts come with the kit.

Err - no.

They are BLUER, but that's not BETTER.

Actually, the human eye has its best sensitivity in the 4300K to 5000K range.

By the time you get to 8000K, you've gotten about 2/3rds of the rods in your eyes deactivated (no red or green!), so all you're using are the less sensitive BLUE rods.

Better to get into the red/green overlap and use 2/3rds of your eye, instead of only 1/3rd.

I suggest you study up sometimes on human spectral sensitivity.

[Blackthunder99]

I'm going for visibly at night. And I know they come with the kit I'm asking we're should I put the ballast under the hood at

[Blackthunder99]

I'm getting headlights in 4500k and fogs on 3000k

[sleepyalero]

below/behind headlight.

[Blackthunder99]

How you mount the below or behind it

[03glgold]

use the search button some :ninja:
http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28389

[Blackthunder99]

So my question to you guys are is 4500k for my 9006 and my 3000k not going to look good or should I do 6000k for my 9006 and 3000k for my fogs

[HazMatt24]

it's your preference. I like the 8 - 10K look, but if you want visibility go with 4500K. Fogs, again personal preference. I live where there is never any fog so I didn't need the fogs for function, I had them for show, so I put 10K in the fogs. If you need the fogs to actually function, go with 3K

[sleepyalero]

idk about fogs but i highly suggest 6000k ATLEAST for 9006.

6000k is like a super white. not really blue. im sure you wont regret 6000k,

ive got 8k and the light output is just amazing.

[RalphP]

idk about fogs but i highly suggest 6000k ATLEAST for 9006.

6000k is like a super white. not really blue. im sure you wont regret 6000k,

ive got 8k and the light output is just amazing.

8K won't have ANY visible light.

8000K is too blue for the human eye to work with as efficiently as we could wish.

(Amazing what three zeros can do ...)

Let's start with the human eye spectral efficiency. If you gander at http://lea.hamradio.si/~s51kq/V-CIV.HTM , it has a nice chart that correlates to the wavelength.

However, that doesn't help when the lights are rated in degrees Kelvin. So how do they relate?

Well, here's two charts - one of the degrees kelvin vis the effective color at http://images.digitalmedianet.com/2004/Week_42/h99b1hi0/story/02.jpg . The second is of the wavelengths vis the effective color at http://www.giangrandi.ch/optics/spectrum/visible-a.jpg .

When you line them up with the spectral sensitivity chart in the first link, we find that the BEST color is about 5600K. Which, strangely enough is ... the color of sunlight! (Funny that.)

8000K is that of "daylight", where it's so bright our eyes iris down.

This is NOT a good thing at night - since the retina is not as sensitive, but the mechanism that controls the iris is not that color sensitive, we get smaller irises due to the light level, but we Just Plain Can't See.

For a show car, that's one thing.

For one on the road, that's something different.

5600K would be perfect if we could get it. Barring that, looking at the charts in the first link again, it's better to get closer to 4300K to 5000K instead of going up where we're losing visibility no matter how bright it is.

Of course, that ignores the fog lights. We really DO want it down below the reflectivity index of water in the air - so we go to 3000K to get some usefulness out of the light being emitted, instead of it just reflecting back off the water in the air.

But eh. Your car, do what you want. Just be accurate when you describe lights by Kelvin as to their efficiency (which is what's important. If you see better with color A at 1000 lumen than with color B at 3000 lumen, which is brighter, and which is BETTER? Think about that for a bit ... )

RwP

[sleepyalero]

to each his own, but i love my 8k's.

anything below 10k (unless for show) is way better then stock imo for night drivig, i drive 95% of the time at night anyway, and its never gave me problems.

[jhubbz]

RalphP, are you telling me my 10,000k hids don't produce visible light? Last time I drove down the road, I'm almost positive I saw light coming from my headlights. Also, my brights are 12,000k and it lights up everything around me like it was daytime. Now I will admit 5000k or 4600k would definitely be brighter, but don't go around saying other areas of the light spectrum won't produce light. If you have not used or seen their effects in person, don't go talking down on it.

[Blackthunder99]

Well I'm thinking should I do 4500k or 6000k for my 9006 bulb I know for sure I'm going 3000k for fogs this is hard. Does anyone know where to mount the ballast for the fogs to

[Papa Rad17]

mount them wherever. they should be able to breath a bit but out of water and dirt and crap.

[Blackthunder99]

I know that just won't to know the best place

[sleepyalero]

RalphP, are you telling me my 10,000k hids don't produce visible light? Last time I drove down the road, I'm almost positive I saw light coming from my headlights. Also, my brights are 12,000k and it lights up everything around me like it was daytime. Now I will admit 5000k or 4600k would definitely be brighter, but don't go around saying other areas of the light spectrum won't produce light. If you have not used or seen their effects in person, don't go talking down on it.

Quoted for truth.

[sleepyalero]

I know that just won't to know the best place

they should be shock proof (water resistant) basically as far as the ballast can stretch to be out of the way of most weathering and all that fun stuff. they should come with 3M double sided tape for mounting

[Blackthunder99]

Okay

Real fast what will look better 6000k in 9006bulb and 3000k in fogs or 4500k in 9006bulb and 3000k in fogs

[03glgold]

Okay

Real fast what will look better 6000k in 9006bulb and 3000k in fogs or 4500k in 9006bulb and 3000k in fogs

look for pictures and such...everybody is different so everyone has different opinions...search and there are pictures everywhere that will let you see the different colors that are available...in the end the only opinion as to what colors you should use that matters is your own

[sleepyalero]

heres a taste of 8k, 6k is more super white then this.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/676D5577-C36F-4456-B230-1664BE541C91-870-000000376C640681.jpg

[Blackthunder99]

But I have stock headlights

[03glgold]

i think that he just has cleared corners, it is still stock lens unless the lens is tinted it won't change the color anyways...not to come across as a joke but it seems as if you are shooting down all the help that anybody is trying to give...I can't post any pics of hids because i don't have any

[Blackthunder99]

Know I'm taking it in thanks

[03glgold]

did you look at ddm's color charts...if not then when you look at the kit there is a tab under the pictures that could be of some help

[Blackthunder99]

Yea I also trying to find a different headlight has well

[03glgold]

you either modify the stock to your liking or get the euro, there aren't any aftermarket options for already modded lights...if you find something on here then it is because someone else modded them...they really aren't that hard to take apart and do yourself

[sleepyalero]

yeah mine are stock, took apart, popped orange reflector out, and painted the chrom bezel inside black and put back together. pretty simple, just time consuming. first time took me about 5 hrs to do both lights, but ive done it numerous times now so its like a 3 hr job for me. heres a close up for it without lights on just so you get a better look... this was back in 2010



http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/alero3.jpg

[RalphP]

RalphP, are you telling me my 10,000k hids don't produce visible light? Last time I drove down the road, I'm almost positive I saw light coming from my headlights. Also, my brights are 12,000k and it lights up everything around me like it was daytime. Now I will admit 5000k or 4600k would definitely be brighter, but don't go around saying other areas of the light spectrum won't produce light. If you have not used or seen their effects in person, don't go talking down on it.

No, I'm not saying they don't produce some visible light.

I'm saying the light isn't as efficient as better temps would be.

I suggest you re-read what I typed.

Light very far off from sunlight isn't used as efficiently by the human eye, so if you're wanting to SEE down the road, you want something very close to 5300K (the color of the Sun). Anything too far from that and you're losing some of the benefit of the brighter light.

And then you can get hit with the SECOND whammy - the portion of the eye that is used to control the iris? Is sensitive OUTSIDE of the range that the rods and cones respond to. So a bright 10,000K source can cause the iris to contract (it goes "Oh, bright stuff!" and stops down to protect the retina), while the portion of the eye you SEE with goes "Bright light? What bright light? I don't see much there ..." A waste of money.

Let's also add that such lights, shining into OTHER people's eyes, will tend to blind THEM. So a safe driver won't go for a street car with 10,000K HIDs.

Let me repeat something else here - NONE of this applies to show cars! If your car is a trailer queen, or a show horse, don't pay ANY attention to this!

If, however, you drive it, you DO need to pay attention to the actual Kelvin rating to get the benefit of what you're paying for.

A good example of this is that halogen bulbs put out a LOT of "light" in the near and far infrared range, where our eyes don't see it. I'm currently running HIRs for my low beams, HIDs for my high beams, and a 4-light mod. The HIRs use a special reflective coating inside that takes a major chunk of the infrared output, redirects it back to the filament, and causes a much brighter light that's still in the 4300K range, albeit with a bit less "red" to it (because that red is now being reradiated as a whiter color ... Funny what we can do with modern chemistry! :cool: )

RwP

[RalphP]

heres a taste of 8k, 6k is more super white then this.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/676D5577-C36F-4456-B230-1664BE541C91-870-000000376C640681.jpg

Actually *puts pedant's hat on* That looks more like 8000K.

8K wouldn't be visible - it's down in the low bass audio frequency (!!) IIRC, from the conversion charts, it's about 10Hz in effective frequency. Red light (just above infrared), however, is somewhere between 10^13 and 10^14 hertz.

The "K" isn't Kilo, it's Kelvin.

And now back to your regularly scheduled forums.

This PSA brought to you by the letters K, the digit 0, and the units of measure for both temperature (Kelvin) and counting (Kilo).

RwP

[sleepyalero]

those are 8ks

[03glgold]

He is saying you are forgetting some zeros
http://www.ddmtuning.com/images/custom/hid-color-chart-projector.jpg

[Blackthunder99]

Yes I know I'm just not good at modding headlights

[03glgold]

as long as you are a little careful, it isn't a very hard headlight to mod...heat up the silicone that holds them together and it comes apart fairly easy...the silver part that everyone paints separates from the main housing so you can put it on a piece of cardboard or something and over spray doesn't really matter...Mine were a little easier than most because both times i took them apart it was so hot and humid outside that my face was raining, so i didn't have to apply heat...if you search I believe there are multiple how-tos on it

[sleepyalero]

He is saying you are forgetting some zeros
http://www.ddmtuning.com/images/custom/hid-color-chart-projector.jpg

8k, 8000k.......... i think hes just being a smart ass. :rolleyes2:

i know there is supposed to be 3 zeros. im just lazy, and most people around here should know what i mean.

[RalphP]

those are 8ks

No, they're not.

They're 8000K.

Consider - if you earned 8,000$ and your boss paid you 8$, would you be happy?

Them zeros DO matter! :p

RwP

[Papa Rad17]

I had 12,000 and 10,000k in my alero. the 12tho were a bit to blue but the 10tho made it clear as day even with all the blue. they were 55w kits though. the goat has 10,000k 55w in it but the projector housing seem to exaggerate the blue so theres less ambient light then the ones on the alero put out.

[sleepyalero]

No, they're not.

They're 8000K.

Consider - if you earned 8,000$ and your boss paid you 8$, would you be happy?

Them zeros DO matter! :p

RwP

.... quit typing rwp put it in your sig smart one.

[Blackthunder99]

Thanks what color do you think the stock Hids in the Altima 2010

[03glgold]

spending some time with google i learned they are 4300k...here is my source it is asked in post 11 and answered after that
http://www.altimaforums.net/2011-hid-kit-t3479.html?

[Blackthunder99]

Sweet just made my mind up I'm doing 4500k in 9006 and 3000k in fogs

[jawa]

I have 5k in my lows. 35 watt. pure white with a slight hint of blur

[Blackthunder99]

Just seen a wrx drive by me tonight with 5000k headlights and 3000k fogs it look could stuiped and that's what I order did I make wrong move

[RalphP]

Just seen a wrx drive by me tonight with 5000k headlights and 3000k fogs it look could stuiped and that's what I order did I make wrong move

Are you more concerned with how it LOOKS, or how it WORKS?

And do you plan to use the fog lights as fog lights, or as "Moar lites on de rawd!"?

You don't have to answer here, but think about both of those questions.

RwP

[03glgold]

Nobody can tell you if you made the wrong choice as it is your car so you are the only one that has to like it. It is your car and if you try to get everyones approval for what you chose to do then you are never gonna get anything done because everyone has different taste. This I have been trying to tell you through this whole thread.

[Blackthunder99]

So your tell me I should get between 4300k-5000k for both headlights and fogs

[03glgold]

we are saying consider what you want and what information we have given you... there is enough information here for you to make an informed decision...the rest is up to you... we could sit around for ever and everybody could tell you their opinion about what is best but none of that matters everyones opinion differs and it is completely up to what you want now...if you don't like the first colors you get you can get different bulbs to change the color

[Blackthunder99]

Buying 6000k headlights and 6000k fogs

[RalphP]

Buying 6000k headlights and 6000k fogs

Then they're not fog lights.

I gather you turn them on without fog? And you're having them lit for looks, not to see what's going on down the road, right? Then they're not fog lights.

Unless you have an Oldsmobile Mustang ... :p

RwP

[jawa]

...

[sleepyalero]

...

:agree:

[03glgold]

Then they're not fog lights.

I gather you turn them on without fog? And you're having them lit for looks, not to see what's going on down the road, right? Then they're not fog lights.

Unless you have an Oldsmobile Mustang ... :p

RwP

all that you are doing is confusing someone who was already confused...how much do the fog lights actually increase your vision anyways unless it is snowing or something else and then it can still help...everybody has different opinions so quit tearing down everything but what you think is best...You offered your advice and leave it at that it is his decision to do what he wants...quit tearing down all his ideas because they aren't what you consider to be the best

[mfuller]

Hopefully this will help (at least from an appearance standpoint).
This is 4300K low-beam HIDs in the stock European headlamp housings (the bulbs were an H7 base). I no longer use HIDs in reflector type housings because of all the glare and because the light is not focused at all.
The stock projector foglamps have 3000K HIDs (the bulbs are a 880 base).
FWIW, I used the relay harness as sometimes only 1 light would turn on.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1371/4201/3427100064_large.jpg

[Blackthunder99]

Hopefully this will help (at least from an appearance standpoint).
This is 4300K low-beam HIDs in the stock European headlamp housings (the bulbs were an H7 base). I no longer use HIDs in reflector type housings because of all the glare and because the light is not focused at all.
The stock projector foglamps have 3000K HIDs (the bulbs are a 880 base).
FWIW, I used the relay harness as sometimes only 1 light would turn on.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1371/4201/3427100064_large.jpg


How much did your 3000k fog lights help

[grannysalero]

I'm going to post a thread about this but after reading all this want to let u guys know about the cheapest HID lights I've ever seen I stumbled upon by accident! Tmart.com has everything we need l.e.d and HID. HID's are $10 a pair! Ballasts are $16 each! Ordered and patiently waiting :-)

[RalphP]

Then they're not fog lights.

I gather you turn them on without fog? And you're having them lit for looks, not to see what's going on down the road, right? Then they're not fog lights.

Unless you have an Oldsmobile Mustang ... :p

RwP

all that you are doing is confusing someone who was already confused...how much do the fog lights actually increase your vision anyways unless it is snowing or something else and then it can still help...everybody has different opinions so quit tearing down everything but what you think is best...You offered your advice and leave it at that it is his decision to do what he wants...quit tearing down all his ideas because they aren't what you consider to be the best

So, insisting that people state things accurately is tearing them down?

Fog lights, BY DEFINTION, are supposed to help in fog and rain.

They are yellowish, BY DEFINITION, to avoid the blue component glaring back in the water vapor (study up sometimes on why the sky is blue.)

Insisting that they be 6000K is nice if you're using them as DRIVING lights, but last time I looked, DRIVING was not the same word as FOG.

But eh.

To each their own.

As I said, calling them "fog lights" at 6000K and leaving them on all the time is like saying "I gots an Oldsmobile Mustang" or "I gots a Ford Alero". Not quite what it really is.

RwP

[03glgold]

So, insisting that people state things accurately is tearing them down?

Fog lights, BY DEFINTION, are supposed to help in fog and rain.

They are yellowish, BY DEFINITION, to avoid the blue component glaring back in the water vapor (study up sometimes on why the sky is blue.)

Insisting that they be 6000K is nice if you're using them as DRIVING lights, but last time I looked, DRIVING was not the same word as FOG.

But eh.

To each their own.

As I said, calling them "fog lights" at 6000K and leaving them on all the time is like saying "I gots an Oldsmobile Mustang" or "I gots a Ford Alero". Not quite what it really is.

RwP

Using your "DEFINITIONS" is not what I am considering tearing him down the fact that you have called everyone who has said they like any color other than what you say is best wrong. This is what I call tearing them down. Nobody is insisting that they be any particular color, however if that is what he wants then that is what he should get. I am pretty sure that everybody knows what fog lights are meant for as we are not in kindergarten any more, and a certain color may work best for a specific purpose, however that doesn't mean it will be totally worthless a different way. Like I say a lot it isn't always in what you say but how you say it. Most of your responses in this have been to tell people that their color choices are wrong. Post your help response and then leave it at that. He asked what people used and what they liked best, you told him, which was good but then you continued to push and push what you consider best. Also how does the whole mustang comment even make sense, I believe that your definition of a fog light would still pertain to them unless as noted you used them as driving lights. Believe it or not but that little button to turn them on allows that to work for any car. It is quite the novel idea, and is not only done in mustangs.

[JLw7123]

I have both 3000k on my two hella fog lights on my light bar and I have 2 hella driving lights with 4300k. I love them. Also have 6000k on my low beams for my projectors.

[RalphP]

Using your "DEFINITIONS" is not what I am considering tearing him down the fact that you have called everyone who has said they like any color other than what you say is best wrong. This is what I call tearing them down. Nobody is insisting that they be any particular color, however if that is what he wants then that is what he should get. I am pretty sure that everybody knows what fog lights are meant for as we are not in kindergarten any more, and a certain color may work best for a specific purpose, however that doesn't mean it will be totally worthless a different way. Like I say a lot it isn't always in what you say but how you say it. Most of your responses in this have been to tell people that their color choices are wrong. Post your help response and then leave it at that. He asked what people used and what they liked best, you told him, which was good but then you continued to push and push what you consider best. Also how does the whole mustang comment even make sense, I believe that your definition of a fog light would still pertain to them unless as noted you used them as driving lights. Believe it or not but that little button to turn them on allows that to work for any car. It is quite the novel idea, and is not only done in mustangs.

Again, the whole color thing is due to "Do you want to see, or want to look cool?" If you want to see, spending money on lights that are not effective with human eyes is a total waste of money. Oh, do it if you want - but DO be aware of WHAT are the most effective light colors.

As to the "Oldsmobile Mustang" type comments - if you're not using the fog lights as fog lights, don't call them fog lights. I'm sorry if the simile didn't make sense to you - I was trying to point out "Use them for their intended function, or don't call them what they used to be." Using them to light up the road all the time is NOT what they're for. Or at least, not what they're INTENDED for. (They're also too low for driving lights, but eh.)

I'm glad you think most folks are aware of what fog lights are for. I don't see evidence of that myself - otherwise, we'd have more of them amber/yellow in color, and fewer of them on with high beams and wired with parking lights.

Plus, it's always nice to be aware of why things are the way they are. You'd be surprised (or maybe not!) at what's NOT taught nowadays in schools. Stuff that was basic when I went to school in the 60's and 70's (why, yes, I AM an ancient geezer, thank you for noticing! :p ) is now skipped or not even mentioned. So I like to point out WHY certain choices are better for actually using something. People ignore the facts, that's obvious.

Now if that's tearing people down, to keep insisting that facts and logic be used - Congratulations! You're a product of our school system where everyone's a winner, it's all opinion, and it doesn't matter what you do, it's all right! *sarcasm there*

RwP

[03glgold]

Again, the whole color thing is due to "Do you want to see, or want to look cool?" If you want to see, spending money on lights that are not effective with human eyes is a total waste of money. Oh, do it if you want - but DO be aware of WHAT are the most effective light colors.

As to the "Oldsmobile Mustang" type comments - if you're not using the fog lights as fog lights, don't call them fog lights. I'm sorry if the simile didn't make sense to you - I was trying to point out "Use them for their intended function, or don't call them what they used to be." Using them to light up the road all the time is NOT what they're for. Or at least, not what they're INTENDED for. (They're also too low for driving lights, but eh.)

I'm glad you think most folks are aware of what fog lights are for. I don't see evidence of that myself - otherwise, we'd have more of them amber/yellow in color, and fewer of them on with high beams and wired with parking lights.

Plus, it's always nice to be aware of why things are the way they are. You'd be surprised (or maybe not!) at what's NOT taught nowadays in schools. Stuff that was basic when I went to school in the 60's and 70's (why, yes, I AM an ancient geezer, thank you for noticing! :p ) is now skipped or not even mentioned. So I like to point out WHY certain choices are better for actually using something. People ignore the facts, that's obvious.

Now if that's tearing people down, to keep insisting that facts and logic be used - Congratulations! You're a product of our school system where everyone's a winner, it's all opinion, and it doesn't matter what you do, it's all right! *sarcasm there*

RwP

Honestly I don't even really like HID's because they blind me when other people have them and it annoys me so I won't get them. I understand what you are saying with the color, because for whatever reason the lights that were put in as my brights have a bluish tint where as my regulars are a more true white and while the brights are visibly brighter, the light isn't as usable. Sure one tone of color might be proven to be the best, however what you use still comes down to opinion. They make so many colors so that you can choose what fits best to what you are trying to accomplish from most effective, to plain show and anywhere in between. Ultimately what you choose IS opinion, while it is good to make a informed decision about what you get. You pointed out many times that it was the optimum position in the light spectrum and nobody actually said that you were wrong about what worked best, just that they had used something different and liked their results. You seem to be one of the people who take everything too personal. Just because people don't follow your exact advice doesn't mean that they ignore it. Ignoring would imply that they didn't consider it and at one point he was talking about 6000k for the headlights, and 3000k for the fogs. He decided that he wanted something different. Your first advice was helpful and I even tried to help you out a little when you were being given crap for repeatedly correcting 8k to 8000k even though we all knew what was intended. You did start to get pushy as you advice wasn't followed though and when it was pointed out you got angry about it. Part of life is that you don't always get what you want, (I am pretty sure that is what your school system taught you) so why are you getting so irritated that your advice wasn't followed. All you can do is offer up your opinion or knowledge and it is up to the others as to how they want to use it. While it is necessary to give proper information it isn't necessary to be so serious about it. I am done commenting back and forth to you because I don't want to get his thread locked if he has more questions.

[sleepyalero]

gold: you need hids, you will be very satisfied. i used to hate hids too, but after getting em. i never want to go back to stock. they look great and work very well. think about it, all those people you dont like with them, you can just blind em right back.

speaking of... my "foglights" are useless.. but i like it better that way. hids are enough for me in the normal low beam lights.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/022748A2-55FF-46B9-A8DD-441DB365EC4D-870-000000376575613C.jpg

[RalphP]

Heh.

03glgold - I don't understand why you think I'm angry. I'm not angry. I WAS a teacher at one time, and had to rely on "Repeat it until it soaks in" method for a lot of the students. I tend to do that today still.

OTOH, you twig onto one reason why I tend to be somewhat insistent on intelligent choice of headlight color ...

Honestly I don't even really like HID's because they blind me when other people have them and it annoys me so I won't get them. I understand what you are saying with the color, because for whatever reason the lights that were put in as my brights have a bluish tint where as my regulars are a more true white and while the brights are visibly brighter, the light isn't as usable.

OTGH, on my daily driver, I have HIRs for the low beams and HIDs for the high beam, 4300K HIDs for high. Don't have the fogs mounted YET, but I'll be moving over the 3000K HIDs that my old car had (the bulbs, the housings are incompatible). That was at least partly to avoid this for other drivers.

I don't really expect most of today's drivers to think of the other drivers - but hey, maybe I can mention it and it gets a "Oh, yeah, I hate that also. I don't want to be That Guy that's blinding everyone else! And it's interesting why it works that way." I mean, truthfully, have you ever thought about why certain things are the way they are? It helps when trying to fix a problem if you know how something's SUPPOSED to work, and how it DOESN'T now.

But eh. To each their own.

RwP

[cavaliers60]

I don't see how they are blinding.... Don't look at the lights, and you'll be fine. :lol:

[RalphP]

I don't see how they are blinding.... Don't look at the lights, and you'll be fine. :lol:

Heh.

Indiana is probably flat enough it's easy to follow your advice.

Down here in North Louisiana / South Arkansas, we have these things called "HILLS" and "CURVES" ... and the only way to avoid the headlights 100% is to close your eyes.

NOT what you want the guy coming at you at night to do, trust me! :p

RwP

[sleepyalero]

we have hills and curves too.

tint your windshield quit cryin! :jk:

[RalphP]

we have hills and curves too.

tint your windshield quit cryin! :jk:

Heh!

I've met folks who do.

Depending on where and how much, I think of Forrest Gump myself. Or one of my favorite quotes from that movie, anyway.

RwP

[jhubbz]

This thread has turned into a giant trollfest

[Papa Rad17]

This thread has turned into a giant trollfest

:haha: :haha: :haha: :lol: :lol: :lol: I had pretty much chimed out but yes, yes it is.

[Blackthunder99]

Question 4300k have some yellow in it because I'm thinks 4300k for fogs now I just want some yellow in my fogs and 5000k in my headlights

[Nas Escobar]

4300K is the equivalent of halogen headlights IIRC so if you like that color, then go ahead.

[Blackthunder99]

4300K is the equivalent of halogen headlights IIRC so if you like that color, then go ahead.

What you mean equivalent!

[03glgold]

What you mean equivalent!

while since they are hid's they will have greater light output, the light they produce is about the same color...I believe that is what he is saying

[Blackthunder99]

So it would it have light yellow or just white or warm yellow

[Nas Escobar]

while since they are hid's they will have greater light output, the light they produce is about the same color...I believe that is what he is saying

Yeah. Exactly what I meant. Halogen bulbs are the equivalent of 4300K HID lights in terms of color. They have the same lumen but a 4300K HID kit will have stronger light. It's just the color that's the same, the yellowish bronze ish color.

[Blackthunder99]

Oh but would they be brighter then a normal bulb

[03glgold]

yes...same color but more light output...while your average halogen is rated to put out anywhere from 700-1200 lumens per bulb, the HID 4300k is rated anywhere from 2000-3200 lumens...the higher the kelvin number on a HID the lower the lumens it puts out an example being a 7000k only puts out around 1390-1790 lumens

[Blackthunder99]

I just won't something good

[sleepyalero]

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/hid_color_chart.jpg



you sure you own a 600 or so hp camaro? :lol: i figure with that car you would have already gone through this and upgraded the lights from stock..



keep in mind, that light chart shows a car with projectors, which can throw off color a bit from no projector housing headlights. Here is a chart of non projector headlights, and you can see the colors better.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/ColorChart1.jpg


I wouldn't really look at the "20000k and 30000K" it shows.. its honesly like this..

4300k/4500k - yellowish/white.
5000k - Bright white.
6000k - Super white/cool blue.
8000k - Medium blue.
10000k - Deep blue.
120000k- Purple.

you ever see hondas rolling around with straight PURPLE headlights? Yeah, thats 12000k HID's. I see atleast 6 hondas rolling around each weekend with them in the summer.

[03glgold]

I would just pick a color...for the price of ddm's it doesn't cost much to change it to something else if you don't like it and you can recoupe most of your money by selling the color you didn't like

[Blackthunder99]

I do own a 600hp Camaro I just don't wont to waste my money I want to make the right decision right the first time

[Blackthunder99]

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/hid_color_chart.jpg



you sure you own a 600 or so hp camaro? :lol: i figure with that car you would have already gone through this and upgraded the lights from stock..



keep in mind, that light chart shows a car with projectors, which can throw off color a bit from no projector housing headlights. Here is a chart of non projector headlights, and you can see the colors better.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/ColorChart1.jpg


I wouldn't really look at the "20000k and 30000K" it shows.. its honesly like this..

4300k/4500k - yellowish/white.
5000k - Bright white.
6000k - Super white/cool blue.
8000k - Medium blue.
10000k - Deep blue.
120000k- Purple.

you ever see hondas rolling around with straight PURPLE headlights? Yeah, thats 12000k HID's. I see atleast 6 hondas rolling around each weekend with them in the summer.

Hey dude that pic help a lot thanks I'm going to do 3000k fogs and 6000k in headlights

[jhubbz]

Dude, if you are really worried about it, just buy extra bulbs in different colors. I own a pair of 6k, 8k, 10k and 12k. I'll switch em out sometimes. I have 10k's in right now, but the color is fading and looks more like 6k.

[sleepyalero]

no problem.

[Blackthunder99]

What Hids you got

[Blackthunder99]

Well just order them i order the 6000k for 9006headlights and I order 3000k for my 894bulb number

My question is ddmtuning only had the bulb number 880/881/893/889/ect I pick that one that's the right one right

[jhubbz]

Well just order them i order the 6000k for 9006headlights and I order 3000k for my 894bulb number

My question is ddmtuning only had the bulb number 880/881/893/889/ect I pick that one that's the right one right

You got the right one. The only difference will be the base is straight rather than 90° bent.

[RalphP]

Well just order them i order the 6000k for 9006headlights and I order 3000k for my 894bulb number

My question is ddmtuning only had the bulb number 880/881/893/889/ect I pick that one that's the right one right

In that family, there's two physical differences.

Some are 90°, some are straight at the connector.

There's three pairs of different wattages.

And past that - they're pretty much interchangable.

So yah, that'd be the right HID kit.

RwP

[Blackthunder99]

Do you guys have alot of hot spots and does your guess 3000k start up green and the. Turn yellow

[sleepyalero]

Do you guys have alot of hot spots and does your guess 3000k start up green and the. Turn yellow

My low beam HID's have 2 hot spots, get used to it after awhile. Yes hids change colors when warming up.. Mine is 8000k and when they first come on there a deep blue and look 10,000k then once warmed up they are 8000k color.

[Blackthunder99]

Finialy got my Hids in here few pics

[Papa Rad17]

Looks good!