Live from ASS '13

[Redog]

Deer guts cleaned off the car, just sitting in my room eating pizza with Adam. First one here, baby!!

[billytheman1188]

Deer guts cleaned off the car, just sitting in my room eating pizza with Adam. First one here, baby!!

Actually, i was the first! :P about to go get some food myself.

[Redog]

No, I was here yesterday :p :p

[sleepyalero]

Im hungry too. Me eric fisdad and bruce en route.

[Oldsnut]

Slight delay, waiting for flatbeds and cleanup

[Crazytaxi37]

Hopefully they get here soon. Kinda sad to see things like this every year.

[sleepyalero]

Ass ass ass ass

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[Redog]

Pretty bad thunderstorms last night. The back lot has trucks and huge pipes in it, so I guess we as don't it in the side lot this year

Rest of the weekend look pretty clear

[Oldsman]

I swear I and going to kick the crap out of the bastard.

[sleepyalero]

Who? Lol

[Redog]

what's going on Andy, Greg and, Scot?

[billytheman1188]

So nice out. Half my drive was in pouring rain so i'm enjoying this sun

[Oldsman]

Arghhhhhhhhh

We may need bail money.

[Redog]

That's not Andy's car is it? I don't remember the sticker on the trunk lid

[billytheman1188]

How far out are u guys sleepy?

[billytheman1188]

Btw ken...redog is looking sexy. I need to tint my windows

[Crazytaxi37]

Here we go again.

[billytheman1188]

Well...just saw a mid 90s accord rear end someone in front of the hotel. Totaled.

[billytheman1188]

Here we go again.

Uh oh....

[Crazytaxi37]

and I just got it back to stock

[jackal2000]

Sounds like hell up there! Geez.

[Babyblue]

Where? Haha some nasty looking clouds here .

[Redog]

Michigan people, COME TO LANSING!! YOU HAV NO EXCUSE

[billytheman1188]

Michigan people, COME TO LANSING!! YOU HAV NO EXCUSE

x2. Redog drove 13 hours, took me 14. Some of you are like 30 min away and have never been to one. LAST ONE!!! GET OVER HERE!!! :)

[Babyblue]

I am sitting in Frinley's bar. I really am lost on where to go lol.

[Redog]

I can't come down to meet you, I can't leave my son alone

[Babyblue]

It's okay. I am sitting in my car now . I couldn't find someone to share a room with and I don't have enough money for my own room so I'm roughing it tonight. Lol.

[Redog]

My son and I are on our way down to you now

[mfuller]

See you guys Saturday morning.
Currently, I'm waiting in a bus depot at my resort to go to dinner at Downtown Disney.

[sleepyalero]

28 mins

[03glgold]

we will come across the street after I get done looking at the forum...had to check in real quick

[xXManwhoreXx]

We are here

[Redog]

Scot could get away with murder

[[ion] C2]

Well...just saw a mid 90s accord rear end someone in front of the hotel. Totaled.
who

[xXManwhoreXx]

Me chris my car is screwed up ill take pics in the morning

[sleepyalero]

He also ran over a ladder on the way here. :lol:

[jawa]

Me chris my car is screwed up ill take pics in the morning

Do it nooowww

[sleepyalero]

No drift Zone.

[jawa]

Drift dat bimmmmmeeerrrrr

[Oldsman]

2 way channel is ........................................#6 ........sub channel #0

[sleepyalero]

" i picked it out of my teeth "


" far right bathroom stall "

[Redog]

We are at Hooters!!

[sleepyalero]

ohhhhh

Can you see it? ;) :lol:

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[xXManwhoreXx]

Dat booty meat

[billytheman1188]

Love that booty. I've got a boner!

[xXManwhoreXx]

I went 6 to midnight real quick

[Redog]

Nioce!!!

[sleepyalero]

Hahahahaha

[jawa]

Live feed

[Oldsman]

^^^^^ very nice.

Nice shot

[[ion] C2]

my flash went off trying to take a pic like sleepy

[sleepyalero]

2 for 2!!! On a roll!!!

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[sleepyalero]

Kenny and i set off silents bmw alarm with our exhausts lol

[TDavis]

LOL @ were that little kid is looking.

[sleepyalero]

Hahahah good find!

[Redog]

Kenny and i set off silents bmw alarm with our exhausts lol


Where's that video?

[Nas Escobar]

That's something I would have loved to see. Video anyone?

[mfuller]

Well, we got off to a late start this morning; probably won't roll into Lansing until 9:15. Any chance of you guys waiting for us?

[Oldsman]

Leaving at 9:30

[sleepyalero]

Ken, i will get it uploaded today.

Matt, book it! We will see!

[sleepyalero]

Heres the alarm vid, sorry ken we hear you more then we see you in it! :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVNqNAQg5TA

[sleepyalero]

S10's think they are tough sh!t

[Oldsman]

Their pussies when 20 Alero guys go running.

[sleepyalero]

And when one pulls up beside them to shut em up. Lol they were scared.

[AleroB888]

ha, with ya in spirits, guys, wish I was there and you were here, or somthing like that

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[[ion] C2]

I swear my friend Tony is bad luck. Every long ride I've had with him something happens. Last week my belt shredded randomly on our way to the movies. Last year ASS my turbo was nearly falling apart.

Today we were almost home, about 3 miles away. Had to pull over because I basically ran out of fuel/fuel pressure. My #4 injector o-ring wasn't seated and I was spraying fuel everywhere. Fixed it easily after waiting for things to cool down. :rolleyes2:

Pretty sure it was leaking during the weekend here and also the cause of my goofy high RPM behavior.

[jawa]

Well that was a effin blast

[xXManwhoreXx]

I'm home sleepy and ryan should be before long

[xXManwhoreXx]

C2;641937']I swear my friend Tony is bad luck. Every long ride I've had with him something happens. Last week my belt shredded randomly on our way to the movies. Last year ASS my turbo was nearly falling apart.

Today we were almost home, about 3 miles away. Had to pull over because I basically ran out of fuel/fuel pressure. My #4 injector o-ring wasn't seated and I was spraying fuel everywhere. Fixed it easily after waiting for things to cool down. :rolleyes2:

Pretty sure it was leaking during the weekend here and also the cause of my goofy high RPM behavior.

Bad luck tony should become a meme

[sleepyalero]

Eric got home at 250 am, i arrived home at 320, fisdad will probably be home at 350

Thank you all for a great time had fun. Wish i could say "i cant wait to see you at ass 2014" ... :(

[fisdad]

Eric got home at 250 am, i arrived home at 320, fisdad will probably be home at 350

Thank you all for a great time had fun. Wish i could say "i cant wait to see you at ass 2014" ... :(

I made it home about 3:25 even with Drunk and swerving Allie one-eying it home after an early HID failure.

Thanks for a great weekend! I think ASS managed to go out with its head held high! Looking forward to whatever comes next! Thank you to all or organized ASS for 10 years! Andy, Scot, Kenny and Kyle! We all love what you've done!

[03glgold]

As soon as stuff is packed in the car we are hitting the road...it has been a good year and I am glad that I was able to make it

[sleepyalero]

Everyone else who leaves tonight/tomorrow.. Be save out there, keep in touch!

[billytheman1188]

Made it to Ohio safely. Going back home in like 5 days. I had an AWESOME time. Definitely had the most fun this year. Thank you guys (you know who you are) for putting on the show for so long. It's always a good time. I'm going to miss it :/

[[ion] C2]

haha. i found out the other reason my car was acting weird and slow. I lost a vacuum cap so i had a boost/vacuum leak

[jawa]

Im stuck in Chicago blew the damm tranny cooler line split open. My brother is on his way with a reinforced line and fluid. On a good note im stuck at north beach. With very nice scenery

[falloutboy]

:cry: :cry: and I am sitting here in good ol' germany looking at the pics, and vids

damn wish I were there.
well, this only means, I have to visit each and every single one of u, if I ever get back to the US

[jawa]

Well im underway again

[Oldsnut]

Just got home. Great to see every one there.

[mfuller]

We are home. Was great seeing old friends and meeting new ones.

[fisdad]

Other than Greg, Andy and Probably Bruce... Did any of us in an Alero make the entire trip without ANY surprise issues on the way to or from?

I had a surprise wheel bearing on the way up and an HID failure and svs light surprise shortly after we began our trip home.

Sleepy's sunroof broke.

Eric's stereo, battery and starter went all haywire.

Ion had a cap and fuel leak.

Jawa had a tranny line blow.

Kenny went on an animal killing spree (but I don't think he had any car issues?)

Who am I missing?

[sleepyalero]

Yeah i had it cracked and was doing 120 and the fuckin thing came out of its track lol

[Crazytaxi37]

Home. Had a good time all. See you all in august.

[03glgold]

We got to Concordia at 3 to drop off spencer (irishpope) and talked a little then me and my brother got home at 4:15...I briefly heard what I thought might have been a hub starting to go, not sure though

[sleepyalero]

She got a much needed wash today. She got rained on. :(

All clean though! :)

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[jawa]

You dont need dem seats

[jawa]

Made it home with no other iseues

[[ion] C2]

sweet

now find me the shifter and shift cables and stuff :awesome:

[sleepyalero]

You dont need dem seats

You need new seats. ;)

[AleroGLS_00/04]

Made it to Indy at 2PM.

No Issues.

Thanks to all for the great weekend!

[sleepyalero]

Good to hear!

[fisdad]

So maybe Manwhore, sleepy and I were all just tired last night?... My HID went out on my passenger side. As did my high beam after I hit a bump and briefly (split second briefly) lost all power. The car kept going but when power came back on... My passenger light was out! The markers and led strips still worked though. We pulled over to mess with it. Three of us (who all own Alero's) didn't realize that each headlamp has its own fuse! So I drove home with one light.

Today, I use my new multimeter to test connections. I was getting a reading from the harness for the light, but not the internals. I had assumed at this point that the inner assembly wiring had somehow gone bad. As it turns ou, my high beam bulb in the passenger side is blown as was the fuse for that headlamp?... We learned this only AFTER sleepy and I tore my headlamp apart, then drive to his place and back to get another stock housing to replace my euro housing backing that I thought was messed up. After cutting my wiring and splicing into the new housing... Still nothing. At this point we assumed faulty wiring, but decided to check my DRL fuse to be sure that wasn't the cause. When that was good, we looked over the fuse panel and noticed that there was a fuse for each headlamp individually and sure enough... One was blown! Only after destroying my wiring and having to redo my headlamp... Bah!

So for all of you other noobs out there... Double check the simple things first before you get crazy.

[sleepyalero]

We are good at tough tasks, but when something is so simple we are idiots.

[xXManwhoreXx]

Lol yep....

[falloutboy]

lol :)

U guys remember what I wrote on 06-20-2011, the first entry in my journal for the trip
My cheeks still hurt, and Dr. Fellatio and the gang will be painfully missed.

to be honest, every once in a while I just remember how we all read it, and look at each other :)
Ahh the good ol' times

[sleepyalero]

HAha wish you could have made it to the last one!

[Babyblue]

My car is doing some wired shit with heating up. I looked under my hood when I got to New York and where the tube that plugs in your T-Stat housing had a very very small leak but I tightin it and thats fine. My low coolent was coming but drove it today and didnt come on but I smell a little bit of coolent when my heat is on. My temp gauge stays pretty much under half untill im sitting around in some traffic but I don't see a leak with my eyes and smell coolent when the heat is on. Anyone?!?!

[sleepyalero]

Well the sensor might be fked up when you pulled the whole thing out lol. Other then that the coolant smell could be whats buring off the motor from when it was leaking.

[Babyblue]

LOL. I did pull that thing out. It has not over heated so I guess I should not be worryed.

[sleepyalero]

Unless things get worse i think you are okay.

[Redog]

Made it home in 11.5 hours.

Car was running super lean in PA. I got 34.6 MPG from Lansing to Verona, PA, then From Verona, PA to Langhorne, PA (had to take Adam home first) I got 41.2 MPG!!!

Of course I was running about 16.5 on the WB the entire way home :eek:

Well I can still say, fuck you mr Hybrid! My V6 did the same as a Pruis was doing in 2003 :p

[mfuller]

That's crazy, Ken.
I thought I did well averaging about 32.5MPG.
Let me know if those table changes help at all. Don't want you melting a piston from running too lean.

[[ion] C2]

wtf, i want to lean cruise. how'd you do it? must have more tables unlocked on the 3400 than the LD9

[Redog]

Add vs RPM was all at zero. That is the only thing I changed. Now that table mirrors Matt's

I'm going to download it into the car on Wednesday and see what happens, the car is sitting until then anyway

[[ion] C2]

Can you screenshot that table? I don't believe anything like that is decoded for my engine.

[Redog]

Yeah, either tomorrow or Wednesday I will

[[ion] C2]

Yeah so my car is like night and day now.

My fuel leak and vacuum leak must've started before I left, which is why the car was acting so sluggish and not shifting properly. Now it's responsive as hell and way faster. Damn. Wish I had it like this at ASS.

I'm tempted to throw on the slicks and go to the track next Wednesday and get my low 12/high 11 slip finally. I guarantee it will hit around there.

[Redog]

^^ IF you do, and something seems to go wrong at anytime in the run, GET OFF THE THROTTLE!!!

You're run's going to be fucked anyway, no need to fuck the engine too

[[ion] C2]

I'll probably wait until I get the 5-speed and learn to race it or fly spyhunter up here to race it haha. My auto trans slips under load and I expect it to blow up when I launch with slicks. I drove 3 people around today weighing the car down and the trans stuttered sometimes even on slow takeoffs.

[Babyblue]

Some how I busted a drive axle? There is bearing greese everywhere.

[04PONTIACGA]

Could've just torn the boot.

[Babyblue]

Could've just torn the boot.

That's what I ment. Is that okay to drive 400 plus miles with greese spraying out of it? Cuz I won't be going back home till Friday.

[04PONTIACGA]

That's what I ment. Is that okay to drive 400 plus miles with no greese spraying out of it? Cuz I won't be going back home till Friday.

No, I wouldn't. You can buy a split boot to replace it. Some say they aren't as good, but I used one on my GP for over 2 years until I got rid of it.

[jawa]

Mine pushed some grease out when I lowered it

[Babyblue]

No, I wouldn't. You can buy a split boot to replace it. Some say they aren't as good, but I used one on my GP for over 2 years until I got rid of it.

If I have it under warranty should I just take a chance ? Or will it break apart when I am driving it?

[sleepyalero]

My driver side leaks a bit every once in awhile. Ive looked and looked dont know why, i said screw it and dont really care atm

[Babyblue]

I had clobs of greese on my tie rod end, caliper, and steering knuckle .

[04PONTIACGA]

I don't think It's a good idea at all, unless you can find a way to keep it greased the whole time. I guess really it depends on how big the tear is, how much you're losing and how fast It's coming out.

I don't know if someone would warranty something like that, most likely something caught it while driving and ripped it.

For around $15 you can get the repair boot, not too shabby imo.

[04PONTIACGA]

My driver side leaks a bit every once in awhile. Ive looked and looked dont know why, i said screw it and dont really care atm

Take a needle greaser, slip it under one of the band to get some geese in there. Should help out since you lose some once in a while.

[Babyblue]

I don't think It's a good idea at all, unless you can find a way to keep it greased the whole time. I guess really it depends on how big the tear is, how much you're losing and how fast It's coming out.

I don't know if someone would warranty something like that, most likely something caught it while driving and ripped it.

For around $15 you can get the repair boot, not too shabby imo.

I had some globs on my tie rod end, caliper, and steering knuckle. I have been listing out side my window and I don't hear it clicking or whatever it does when I turn. I do seem to find some every time I drive it goes on my rims only a small amount, cuz I've been cleaning them everytime I get back where I'm staying.

[04PONTIACGA]

If It's not coming out really bad and you can find where the tear is to keep adding grease you'd probably be fine, but I wouldn't recommend it though.

[sleepyalero]

Take a needle greaser, slip it under one of the band to get some geese in there. Should help out since you lose some once in a while.

Yeah i will its just annoying to keep cleaning it. Lol

[04PONTIACGA]

Yeah I hear ya, grease is some nasty stuff to keep cleaning.

[sleepyalero]

Yeah it is!

[JLw7123]

[QUOTE='[ion] C2;642142']I'll probably wait until I get the 5-speed and learn to race it or fly spyhunter up here to race it haha. My auto trans slips under load and I expect it to blow up when I launch with slicks. I drove 3 people around today weighing the car down and the trans stuttered sometimes even on slow takeoffs.[/QUOte

Are you going to get launch control or anti lag when you get the five speed.

[sleepyalero]

Dat 2 step.

[[ion] C2]

Would be cool, but as it is I reach full boost at 2500 RPM, shouldn't be a problem. I might do a 2-step. I really have limited experience with manual transmissions.

[jawa]

you will gain exp fast lol clutch in, in gear, light throttle, let clutch out slow , more throttle as car starts to move, clutch out all the way, floor it, at redline clutch in grab next gear dump clutch floor it. and repeat

[[ion] C2]

obviously but need practice haha

[jawa]

honestly dirt roads are your best friend for practice

[[ion] C2]

for launching? no lol.

i'm fine with driving a manual, i just never really drove it hard

[jawa]

oh i thought you never drove a manual lol, just take your time and expirment with hard pulls in one gear untill you got shifting hard down good

[04PONTIACGA]

C2;642205']for launching? no lol.

i'm fine with driving a manual, i just never really drove it hard

Best way to launch in a stick and get traction is to slip the clutch. Basically you rev up to desired RPM, dump the clutch, the push it back in about half way, maybe a little less, you'll have to play with it a little. You'll get traction and launch really hard.

My cousin showed me that neat little trick in his ranger.

[mfuller]

Best way to launch in a stick and get traction is to slip the clutch. Basically you rev up to desired RPM, dump the clutch, the push it back in about half way, maybe a little less, you'll have to play with it a little. You'll get traction and launch really hard.

My cousin showed me that neat little trick in his ranger.

Hmm....I can see that working on a solid axle, but I'd be very worried that halfshafts (or CV joints) would break using that technique.

[04PONTIACGA]

Hmm....I can see that working on a solid axle, but I'd be very worried that halfshafts (or CV joints) would break using that technique.

I thought about that too, but either way with enough power I would think the would be in need of some upgrading.

What have you found that works good in your Alero?

[sleepyalero]

C2;642205']for launching? no lol.

i'm fine with driving a manual, i just never really drove it hard

2nd to 3rd can be the most complicated quick shift, ill be honest ive missed a couple of times. But havent in the past couple months.

Also, i dont downshift unless i really need to. Like coming up to a stop, leave it in gear till rpms drop to like 1200 or so, clutch in and stop. Remember brakes are cheaper/easier job then a clutch. ;)

[xXManwhoreXx]

Lol I think he knows how to drive

[Babyblue]

Okay, Idk if we are still posting our problems happing on cars here but, The platic piece that conected the heater tube to the hose that goes to the heater core came loose? Coolent was spraying everywhere and it was a mess. I didnt over heat or anything but man can I say THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!! FIRST MY DRIVE AXLE NOW SOME STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS!!!!!!! btw I found my warrenty at napa for the axle, now I have to find the tools to do it lol.

[sleepyalero]

Lol I think he knows how to drive

He said hes never driven a manual hard... So why not give some insight and small tips? Just trying to help a little he doesnt have to use my advice.


Babyblue - thats odd man. Never had that problem.

[Babyblue]

Babyblue - thats odd man. Never had that problem.[/QUOTE]

I honestly think it might have been my fult not putting it on right but it for sure as hell is now! I just gotta run to the store and grab coolent now and that drive axle im going to just wait to do till I get back home. I'll just stop and pump some greese in it half way back,

[mfuller]

What have you found that works good in your Alero?

To tell you the truth I haven't launched it hard yet since I had the manual transmission put in.

[04PONTIACGA]

To tell you the truth I haven't launched it hard yet since I had the manual transmission put in.

Really? Maybe It's my age, but I would have a blast after the clutch was broken in.

[mfuller]

Really? Maybe It's my age, but I would have a blast after the clutch was broken in.
Maybe I'm just being a wuss.
At my age I find it amusing that I get better gas mileage in my Alero than my wife gets her Mazda 3 hatchback.
Although I'm sure I'll give it hell when I get the new motor and limited slip differential installed.

[04PONTIACGA]

Maybe I'm just being a wuss.
At my age I find it amusing that I get better gas mileage in my Alero than my wife gets her Mazda 3 hatchback.
Although I'm sure I'll give it hell when I get the new motor and limited slip differential installed.

:lol: That's awsome about the mileage. I get excited about that too, I average 30 with my GA, but I don't drive it hard, want to keep the trans as long as I can. Already have 171,000 on it, don't want to push it.

I'm interested to see the outcome of your build, as far as I know nobody has done that much to an N/A build.

Just in case anyone was wondering about the harsh driving in a ranger, here's why It's soooooo fun.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=tCgUOmddT0E
That's my cousins '86 ranger, Thunderbird turbo coupe 2.3 ported head, cam, ported custom intake, bigger turbo(dont recall the size) 100 shot of nitrous and a 3.73 8.8 locker rear end. Very fun little thing, runs at 22psi.

[Redog]

Still trying to figure out how to launch a stick here. Wanna go to the track in a stick car :cool:

[[ion] C2]

It seems like launching wouldn't be too difficult. I figure I'll keep the RPMs not too high to start with, and just dump the clutch and get into the throttle not too slow not too fast and go balls out after that. I'll play around and learn what works the best though. Hopefully this guy gets back to me on the Texas car and I can go pick it up and get this swap going.

2nd to 3rd can be the most complicated quick shift, ill be honest ive missed a couple of times. But havent in the past couple months.
Yeah I can see how I could slip up there pretty easily.


Also, i dont downshift unless i really need to. Like coming up to a stop, leave it in gear till rpms drop to like 1200 or so, clutch in and stop. Remember brakes are cheaper/easier job then a clutch. ;)
I typically disengage the clutch anytime I expect to slow down significantly, and shift to another gear depending on what I want to do afterwards. I don't usually leave it in gear during braking, I dunno if that's just a personal preference thing or if you're supposed to do it one way or the other.

[Secord]

I try to stop with the clutch whenever possible, never letting the engine rev past 2k on the downshift. I usually let it float around 1250rpm. If it is a hard stop I depress the clutch and just leave it in gear most of the time while I use the brakes.

[03glgold]

while I am not a professional, You should technically always downshift as you slow down even if you don't let out on the clutch so that you are prepared if something happened with your brakes

[sleepyalero]

C2;642226']It seems like launching wouldn't be too difficult. I figure I'll keep the RPMs not too high to start with, and just dump the clutch and get into the throttle not too slow not too fast and go balls out after that. I'll play around and learn what works the best though. Hopefully this guy gets back to me on the Texas car and I can go pick it up and get this swap going.


Yeah I can see how I could slip up there pretty easily.


I typically disengage the clutch anytime I expect to slow down significantly, and shift to another gear depending on what I want to do afterwards. I don't usually leave it in gear during braking, I dunno if that's just a personal preference thing or if you're supposed to do it one way or the other.

All about personal pref. whatever is comfortable. Yeah 2 to 3 just gotta watch out for the "retard bar" lol that little notch that seperates 1st from 3rd, go to shift quick out of second and bam! Your hitting betweem 1 and 3 lol

[xXManwhoreXx]

Yeah... ain't nobody got time fo that...

[Babyblue]

Lol ����funny ass video. I didn't have time to put my shoes on Jesus

[Oldsman]

Far as launching hard, well it depends on your traction. Normally at the track if you launch at like 5-6k and you have slicks you'll probably break something with fwd. if you launch to low like 2k then you'll more likely bog off the line. That is what test and tune is for. Depending on track temp and tires and how sticky the launch pad is going to determine where you launch. On average when I have raced with a manual on street tires and its a fwd around 4k was not bad. Even 3500 was decent.

As for downshifting, I have always engine braked. Coming up to a light start downshifting keeping rpm under 3k. I drove my Hyundai for 168k on the original clutch with engine breaking. It does not hurt your car if done properly. Now where people have problems is riding the clutch too much when letting it out or not revving rpm up to about what they will be when you let clutch out for the next gear. Which when people just push clutch in and downshift they will normally ride the clutch more.

My previous clutch vehicles got a min of 75k on the original clutch.

The hardest thing on a clutch and will make it go out the fastest is riding it or burning the clutch. This is all amateur mistakes that people make. Which is why a lot of people don't downshift and engine break cause they don't know how and was never properly taught.

[sleepyalero]

Match rpms when downshifting, sitting at 1500 and going one gear down rev it up a little higher then 1500 before letting clutch out.

[[ion] C2]

But what's the point of the extra work in downshifting? Why not simply disengage and shift to the gear you want when it's time to accelerate? Why screw around with the gears while slowing down, seems pointless. I get 40mpg and have no problem doing it the way I said. No need to keep engaging the clutch over and over as you go down the gears.

[tw0123]

the point to downshifting has already been mentioned... what if your brakes fail? what if you have a car coming up behind that doesn't slow? how will you get out of the way if there is enough room while you are in first gear? simply put, you cant... you need to be in control of the vehicle at all times... thus downshifting a manual... autos do it for you so you do not have to worry about it... if you don't want to drive the stick properly, stay with an auto...

[[ion] C2]

the point to downshifting has already been mentioned... what if your brakes fail?


You have an e-brake.
Shift it into a low gear.
Or do what everyone with an automatic would have to do, turn towards something to slow you down the safest.

what if you have a car coming up behind that doesn't slow? how will you get out of the way if there is enough room while you are in first gear?

You're in neutral, not first. You're waiting to choose a gear as you slow down with the clutch disengaged.
Shift it into the gear you want if you decided you must accelerate before making your complete stop. I don't see the problem with leaving the shifter in the middle until you decide what gear you want to be in when it's time to move faster.

you need to be in control of the vehicle at all times... thus downshifting a manual... autos do it for you so you do not have to worry about it... if you don't want to drive the stick properly, stay with an auto...
Autos do it because the program says at certain speeds and loads to be in certain gears. Not because it helps you brake more quickly. Fuck you and your pretentious professional 5-speed driver mentality. I'll drive a manual if I like, and I'll shift to the gear I want to when coasting, when it's applicable.

[fisdad]

Maybe I'm just being a wuss.
At my age I find it amusing that I get better gas mileage in my Alero than my wife gets her Mazda 3 hatchback.
Although I'm sure I'll give it hell when I get the new motor and limited slip differential installed.

Where is the "like" button?!:haha: I get better gas mileage than most people I know with newer cars and car payments. It's awesome!

[Redog]

When shifting in "race" mode (talking 1/4 mile) Should I just keep on the throttle or let off between shifts like I do for street driving?

[sleepyalero]

Ken, when drag racing you WANT to let off throttle, clutch in, change gear let pff clutch and go WOT again.

I forget what its called if you keep throttle mashed and clutch but its NOT good on a transmission period.

Powershifting is whats its called

[mfuller]

When shifting in "race" mode (talking 1/4 mile) Should I just keep on the throttle or let off between shifts like I do for street driving?
Unless you have dogrings or straight-cut gears in your transmission for clutchless upshifts, or are really good at rev-matching, let off the throttle between shifts.

[xXManwhoreXx]

Granny shiftin not double clutchin like your supposed to

[sleepyalero]

Unless you have dogrings or straight-cut gears in your transmission for clutchless upshifts, or are really good at rev-matching, let off the throttle between shifts.

You tear up the clutch plate and stuff.

[Oldsman]

If you powershift in newer cars you will tear your transmission up.

The muncie m-22 rockcrusher is the original powershifting tranny.

Back to the downshifting debate, everyone drives different. Some think downshifting is stupid. I think just putting it in neutral and not downshift is stupid.

[sleepyalero]

To each his own scott. I feel its easier to go to neutral coming to a stop. I just dont feel the need to down shift unless im coming up on a green arrow and im doing... 40 in 5th ill let it idle down in 5th clutch in, come into right turn (depinging on how fast im going into it) i will then rev match and put it in 2nd or 3rd and continue on my way.

But yes everyone is different

[Redog]

I tried the powershifting last night and it didn't feel good, in fact it felt like I was losing time vs the clutch, off gas, clutch method.

Auto it easier. Rev up motor to about 1000 or 1100 (in the Delta the Alero I go to 1000 or 1250 but 1000 seems to work better in that car). then off brake and on gas and cutting .030 lights :D

My WORST light a few weeks ago was a .238

[sleepyalero]

Gotta go stick some day ken, its something new to master.

[Redog]

Well, The stick in a station wagon is a hell of a lot different than one in a International 4900 single axle ;)

[sleepyalero]

True, you need an f40 in that alero ;)

[jawa]

Every ones jumping on tbe f40 tranny. Go with a f23

[04PONTIACGA]

Gotta go stick some day ken, its something new to master.

Does this sound wrong to anyone else? It does to me.:lol:

[Babyblue]

When I have to amount of money saved to swap. I am.

[billytheman1188]

Every ones jumping on tbe f40 tranny. Go with a f23

Everyone jumps at getting a stick now for their 6. I'll be going built auto and blowing past you guys as you shift :P See yaaaaa!

[jawa]

Yea but manuals can bark tires way better

[Redog]

Yea but manuals can bark tires way better

What the hell does that mean? :wtf2:

[Oldsnut]

If you powershift in newer cars you will tear your transmission up.

The muncie m-22 rockcrusher is the original powershifting tranny.

Back to the downshifting debate, everyone drives different. Some think downshifting is stupid. I think just putting it in neutral and not downshift is stupid.
I would have to agree with you. Once it is in neutral you are out of control of the vehicle and in most cases you have to use the brakes more.

[Oldsnut]

What the hell does that mean? :wtf2:
That must be the new term for chirp or squeal the tires.

[sleepyalero]

Everyone jumps at getting a stick now for their 6. I'll be going built auto and blowing past you guys as you shift :P See yaaaaa!

We'll see, pal.

[mfuller]

An automatic is still the preferred transmission for drag racing.
Manual transmission is where it's at for road racing and autocross.

[AleroB888]

I would have to agree with you. Once it is in neutral you are out of control of the vehicle and in most cases you have to use the brakes more.

I think I remember way, way back when it was illegal to let your car coast downhill in neutral (to save gas?) . Could have been B.S. though

[falloutboy]

I think I remember way, way back when it was illegal to let your car coast downhill in neutral (to save gas?) . Could have been B.S. though
Letting ur car coast downhill in neutral will not save gas. (EFI cars provided)
letting ur car coast in gear (clutch disengaged) and above idle rpm on the other hand will cause fuel shutoff and hence save gas.

[sleepyalero]

^ thats what i do

[Redog]

Yea but manuals can bark tires way better

What the hell does that mean? :wtf2:

That must be the new term for chirp or squeal the tires.

Well that's retarded then.

I love it when newbs think burnouts and smoking up the tires on a launch equals power. What it equals is loss of traction and slower times.

My Delta can do a nasty burnout, and sometimes spin the tires off the line (rear wheels are 60 lbs a piece) but with it's 140 HP engine putting down about 120 HP and he car weighing in at just a touch over 4000 lbs, it's turning an impressive 18.27-18.80 in the 1/4 mile.

[billytheman1188]

it's turning an impressive 18.27-18.80 in the 1/4 mile.

Slow down speed racer! :lol:

[Redog]

Slow down speed racer! :lol:

:lol:

When I drop the 330 in, should be in the 14's. Hoping for 13's though ;)

[AleroGLS_00/04]

I'm finally home! After being in Indy for two days, I went to St. Louis and toured the Gateway Arch, etc. Tues.. Then decided to visit my sister and family in Minnesota! Got there Wed., left Sun. AM, then arrived home 5:30PM today.

Stats:
Total miles - 3925
Cruising speeds - 70 to 80+
MPG - 31.5
Issues - Only the *}#%:$? 18 whlr trying to flatten me into the side of a RV and the ditsy blonde merging on the freeway @ 45mph flipping her hair!

I'm tired... ��

[xXManwhoreXx]

Glad you got home safe bruce

[Redog]

Glad you made it home in one piece :D

[Oldsman]

Glad u made it home safe, Bruce. Thanks for coming......road warrior.

[sleepyalero]

X10

[kwhauck]

Its hot, I was in New Mexico on fires the last two weeks came home for two and went right back to Colorado. Currently still in Colorado on fire duty......

Honestly I really regret never making it to one of these but hopefully if life slows down for a moment or two in the future I can make it to a fall or spring meet at Scot's house, or i'll buy another oldsmobile on the east coast which is the reason for the last two times I've gone to Scot's house.....