Alero To Nascar

[Eh_nigma]

Hey,

Well, thought this would be the place to start askin for any advice. I've got a 2dr. 02 Alero. I'm in the works to change the outside look to resemble a NASCAR style, and the interior to a street-car style. I've got ideas...

Under the hood, headers, cold air, throttle body, all from mantapart.com, and the exhaust (already done), is a driver side, side exhaust (will have pics soon), coming out right infront of the read tire.

Body wise, looks like I'll have to get a custom body kit, but, that part's the last. Wheels are going to be an interesting project, as I'm looking for 15 inch steel rims, with rubber to fit to the desired size.

Inside I'm lookin' at putting in racing seats, removable steering wheel, deck, already have the lights, and instrument clusters done.

The reason for this post is two fold. First for me, being able to ask for advice along the way, and second, for all of us... sharing things I've learned, done, and helping anyone who would like to do something similar. (The Side Exaust for example was made with all the parts from the original exaust system, and about $20 worth of 2" pipes from Canadian Tire... and about a weekend of doing it with my dad). Anyway, that's it for now, I'll try and get some pictures up soon... step by step I suppose... but if anyone has any input or advice already, please pass it on.

Later all,
Ej.

[kwhauck]

welcome...and your car sounds interesting lets see some pics.....

[Oldsman]

i can see this getting flamed, so will have to keep an eye out.

it diffintely sounds different.

[Super White Alero]

Are you trying to get sponsor by mantapart? Sounds like it to since you are using all mantapart only. I would suggest you post some pics of the enigine before you post pic of the body. And see about suggestions from mantapart. They may accept you for sponsor since I saw that their site is adversiting sponsorship (can't remember which circuirt).

[jturkey69]

awesome idea....questions...
1. what motor do ya have...i assume an eco, but i may be wrong
2. how does it sound with no muffler, or did you use something else like a turbo tube style
3. back seats??are they gonne get pulled and are you gonna put in a rollcage?(if you do a rollcage and have a shop do it, it should cost around 250 to 300 american)
4. the OSV style kit that is being done by SILENTALERO would look the best for the NASCAR look
good luck! :thumbsup:

[Redog]

Sound interseting, I wanna see some pics

O yeah, Welcome to the site

[FormulaNERD]

welcome to the site.... sounds like a good idea on paper, have any pictures?

[Eh_nigma]

Hey all, and thanks for the welcome, much appreciated.

So far, the engine is stock. I manages (a tip perhaps?) to add a little air into the stock baffle for the air intake. I was amazed how useless it seemed when I opened up the wheel well and looked at it, and saw where the opening for the air is... *sigh*... I took some aluminum sheet metal, and made a small intake underneath on the bottom of the 'tub' (I also shaved off the front bit of plastic that was attached to the radiator, which gave room for the scoop). It works great... haven't lost it yet...

The exhaust, well... I'll have a pic up next weekend. Very simple. But effective. It's loud jturkey69, but it's crisp. From the mount in the center underneath, right after the catalytic converter, I cut it all off... from there I mounted a straight through muffler ($15 from Canadian Tire). Then with a 45 degree bend in a pipe, welded the dampner on (without it, which I tried, it was a little TOO loud). Then I added a split pipe, and welded on two 2 3/4 inch boom tubes... the picture will make more sense... parts total were about 70 bucks, a day of welding, and mounted... works GREAT... used to get about 440 km per tank of gas on the highway, after the exhaust, I'm averaging about 550-600 km! Plus, with the split near the end and the dampner, there's enough of a back pressure that you don't lack any low end torque.

The next step is the cold air intake and the throttle body (want to do those both at the same time). Instead of adding a hood scoop to force air in, I'm planning on having the small window behind the drivers seat changed to plexi glass. Then add an air scoop, feed the hose in along the drivers side floor, and feed into the cool air. Two birds with one stone I suppose (looks, and effectiveness). It's a 2.2 Eco, but it's got potential as I've read on here so many times... smile on my face. But once the first two items are done, the headers would come in.


When it comes to body kits... I run the concern of a low clearence mixed with a cracked body kit... came up with the idea of using sheet metal. Hear me out here...
using my Alero as an example... if I want about a 2 inch ground clearence... that's asking for trouble. So, make the front piece 4 inches. Along the bottom edge, rivet or mount in some other way a piece of sheet metal, with cuts every inch or two inches... making teeth in a way. Over that, duct tape or something that can be put on to cover up, and painted. If I hit something, the small "teeth" of sheet metal bend, not the kit. When it happens, once back in the driveway, bend them back, or replace that segment... cheeper than fixing cracks right?

I've got a lot of ideas floating around in my noggin, and one by one they'll be put onto the Alero. One thing I can suggest right now, and it will be done to the car, but if you do the exhaust the way I have... it's cleaner, louder, better performance, and takes out a lot of 'junk' under the trunk... there's A LOT of room. Enough room, and I kid you not, to cut the original spare tire mount, flip it over, weld it, and be able to mount a full size spare with room to boot! *I've got a pic that I'll scan of the exhaust, pre painted and before mounting, and I'll explain that a little more. You'd be surprised how well it works... and it doens't sound like your car is running on hampster power like most after-marked grape-fruit launcher exhaust ends... it's unique, easy, and cheap. As for HP, it's good for 3000-4500 RPM, you'll notice a diff... probably between 5 and 10 HP, but, it'll push you a little more into your seat for a little longer off the line. Well, that's about it this time... thanks again everyone,

Ej.

[jackal2000]

damn this sounds very interesting. i'll be waiting on the pics :popcorn:

[FormulaNERD]

hmmm... sheet metal... duct tape... who said nascar had to be redneck? cant wait.

[Eh_nigma]

I'll be sure to keep the pictures of me with the cowboy hat off of here :D Speaking of pictures, I'm hoping I can get a couple on here sometime tomorrow.

[bnight04]

yeah yeah ^^^^

[GainesvilleAlero]

makes my wanted opinions of what color calipers for
my car sound a little um ...... :(

sounds very intersting man hope it works out.
keep us posted.

[Eh_nigma]

I'm headin back to work this week... but I'm hoping by Wednesday the latest I'll have a pic or two up from the exhaust. And if anyone's interested in doing something similar, please don't hesitate to ask for advice or anything, I'd me more than happy to help out...

[Final-Reality]

I take it you guys don't have emissions tests since it doesnt sound like you have a cat. converter on there anymore... anyways, like others have said, sounds interesting, and I've thought about a side-exit exhaust as well, if I were to get a turbo system simply because turbo's hate backpressure... but I'd need to keep the cat. on there to pass an emissions test and I'd want to keep the noise down somewhat at least...

[Eh_nigma]

NOPE! The Cat. Converter is on it! I'll have the pictures this week sometime and show it with a bit of explaining if needed. In Alberta here we dont have emissions tests, but in the rest of the provinces we do. Love Alberta ;) I'll keep you all posted for sure.

[Aleromaster]

So how about those pics its been 10 days now

[mike2002]

omg

[Eh_nigma]

Hey guys, sorry about the delay... I've been posted to a base (CFB Wainwright) which leaves little to the imagination... as soon as I'm down in Lethbridge for a weekend, I'll get them up.

Ej.

[ptrudel]

can't wait to see this

[Eh_nigma]

Need advice/tips on the Roll Cage. That parts coming up (then the seats, or should the seats come in first?). In short guys (and gals) I want to replace the two front seats with Momo seats, and remove the rear seats, and put in the roll cage. Has anyone done this or have any advice on the best way to go abouts doing this? Thanks again in advance for your help. Those pictures I have so far will be up if not this weekend, then soon! Take care all,

Ej.

[Silentalero]

best way, use the stock tracks and weld the seat to it

btw, any pics? its been 2 months

[Pimpalero03]

yeah wtf..... pics man

[Eh_nigma]

Pics are back home, but I've been at a base away from them for some time, but coming home this weekend...

What do you mean by the tracks exactly?

[justinusaf]

He ^^^ means use the stock seat rails and weld the new seats to them. Its kind of difficult to mount aftermarket seats to our cars.

[jturkey69]

ej, i got your pm....do the seats first, this way when the cage gets welded in, your door bars will contour with the seat....ie...wider or lower or higher...etc.

if you dont have a speed shop around you somewhere that will do a custom cage for you...for at the most 240 bux...then order the vega/monza cage ...6 point, and go from there. keep in mind that most speed shops want all the carpet out and the interior stripped as much as possible..like seats carpet, and rear deck/or back seat surrounds so they can weld in the plate for the rear bars

as far as the back seat coming out...you will have to use something other then tin(very noisy!!) so maybe ask silent or someoone one the best way to lay a sheet of dynamat(i think thats what its called) over the back seat opening, and mold fiberglass, or sheet plastic, and cover it with carpet....yeah carpet is not in a stock car, but then again you want to be able to hear yourself think

[Eh_nigma]

That helps a lot, Thanks! Okay, well, I've FINALLY got those pictures here. The first one is a side view once mounted. The next one is just holding it up prior to final painting. You'll notice a couple of stock parts there. The entire project took 1 day of work, some pipes from Canadian Tire, a can of spray paint, patience in figuring out the angles, a $15 muffler (got it for a deal), and did the welding in my front yard.

[Eh_nigma]

*sorry, forgot the second pic* if you'd like more pictures, I'll see what I can do, as well as any questions, I'll try to answer. Sorry again for the delay, but thanks for being patient with me.

Ej.

[wy3134]

i like the idea, i think however it looks way outta place, i think it would look better if you had some side skirts to form fit around the exhaust and it would be a killer look

[crammers]

:blink:

[Eh_nigma]

Side Skirts will be put on (once the body kit will be made, again, the NASCAR theme for the body of the Alero will be the most difficult part. The side skirts bottom edge will hopefully be between 1/2 to 1 inch below the bottom of the exaust pipes). This was just the first step of many in obtaining the final look I'm working towards.

[Sportalero]

I see you got the Sport Model with the "removed" wheel center caps and the red inner ring/caliper combo. I think those model came with an extra 20 horses due to weight reduction of the caps. :thumbsup:

[jturkey69]

i like the idea also, however, i dont see a use for the resonator unless its obscenly loud with out it, also i think that muffler you have on there might not be the best choice...that is a louvered one way core right?...i prolly would have used a aluminum "turbo tube"...from jegs, or summit.....as for the side skirts, and kit....for a true NASCAR theme and being cost effective, maybe use 1/4'' industrial sheet plastic/nylon combo.....that make sense???...anyone??

[Eh_nigma]

Does make sense. At the time though, it was the easiest and most economical way of doing it - as well as fitting it in... there's not much room under there... as for the resonator, it was added after trying it without... it was louder than... well... it was too loud. There was also a problem of vibrations felt through the drivers seat, stearing wheel and shifter. With the resonator, the vibrations are still there, but noticably less - along with complaints from neighbors.

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

Originally posted by Sportalero@Dec 11 2004, 05:48 PM
I see you got the Sport Model with the "removed" wheel center caps and the red inner ring/caliper combo. I think those model came with an extra 20 horses due to weight reduction of the caps. :thumbsup:
The caps were taken off because ppl at the U of Calgary have a tendency to steal them... why is beyond me, but meh... also, the paint covers the rust... too much salt is put on the roads in Alberta during the winter *shakes fist*

[Vtolds]

That exhaust must sound mean as hell, you do need to put side skirts on it to make it look right.

[Eh_nigma]

If you've got the side skirts, it's no problem, in time I'll try to get a side picture to show the profile of the pipes. They stick out about a CM (10 mm) from the edge of the stock side skirts, which gives you some room to work with. As for sound, it's great. No complaints from myself or passengers what so ever. The ONLY problem I've found with the exaust is due to the end pipes being tilted up slightly... water build up. Simple solution, two 1/8 inch holes drilled at the lowest point in the chrome "boom tubes" (one in each) lets the build up of water drain out without a problem.

[Eh_nigma]

Has anyone removed the seats, and or carpet from the interior? If so, what steps are needed with the seats, and carpet? One thing I'm curious about is what exactly is under the carpet. Some have told me sound reducing "tar" others say just sticky film... I'd just like to know what I'm getting myself into. Thanks,

Ej.

[johny_boy32]

ask ander...he just took his seats and carpet out i believe

[Eh_nigma]

right on, thanks.

Also, this weekend I'll be adding some, SOME, side skirt to the side. After sitting down and talking over beers with a couple guys, ideas started to fly. I'll try and get some pictures ready... just to show what's going to be done, as well as welcome any other ideas or comments as to "how much were you drinking you fool!"

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

Just a quick heads up - I'm picking up a set of the instruments available from speedhut. I'm going to try to get some picture in and make almost a step by step (but a lot simpler and quicker). Hopefully they arrive before my christmas leave is used up. But while on that, I searched through quickly on the product reviews, and not much was written. For anyone who's got these, is there anything that I, or anyone else looking to get them, should know (I'm mainly aiming this question at installation).

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

Has the idea of using sheet-metal for parts of a body kit every come up?

[Youngblood77]

Originally posted by Eh_nigma@Dec 20 2004, 04:44 PM
Has the idea of using sheet-metal for parts of a body kit every come up?
Nope. and for good reason, too. <_<

[nex]

eh nigma you make me ashamed to be from canada never mind the same province as you.

[Eh_nigma]

Now why would that be?

[Vtolds]

You could make a kit out of metal. but the real question is do you have the skill to make one out of metal? not may people do and if you can find soeon to do it it would cost so much money you would wanna kill your self. You would be better off buying a fiber glass kit and modding it to the way you want it.

[Eh_nigma]

For the multi-dimensional parts, such as the front piece on most body kits, without question it would be easier to make it from fiber-glass. But with relatively flat pieces, and areas away from the high risk of cracking from hitting something, it would seem to almost be easier.

Flush Rivetting (as done on some aircraft around the cockpit area, especially when the cockpit is pressurized) comes out nice and smooth. It's also cheaper and easier to fix/replace. That at least is the idea I had.

I was curious as to whether or not someone has tried it. Just another question floating around in my little ole head.

[wy3134]

i highly doubt many, if any people have tried using sheet metal for body kits in the automotive world, outside of modifieds, outlaws, nascars, etc... its just way easier to replace/repair a bumper made of fiberglass with a little fiberglass resin bought at your local hardware store or automotive shop, than to work with sheet metal, trust me i worked at a sheet metal fabrication shop over the summer, good money, but its a bitch, big bitch to form sheet metal into curves that arent direct angles

[Youngblood77]

Without a doubt, it would be nicer in that way yes, but I just think it would look like crud, and i'd hate for you or anyone else to go riviting tin to their car just to find that out later. sheetmetal work isn't that hard, especially if you know your way around a brake, but it's just ASKING for people to break your balls over the way it looks. ;)

[Eh_nigma]

Very true. Very True. I'd imagine it would be brutal to try to get a great paint job on it too...

[Youngblood77]

I've found in my own personal experience that you can indeed get a decent, durable paintjob on sheetmetal, but it almost HAS to be sandblasted in order to do so. Which means custom making the pieces and fitting them perfect, THEN sandblasting them, painting them, then riviting them to the car, touching up the rivets afterward. This in effect, would also allow you to keep the stock finish on the already-painted stock parts you're attaching to.

BUT.......Another aspect to consider is the NOISE it will make. Unless you've got a wind-tunnel @ your disposal, it would be "trial and error" until you found a design that wouldn't whistle like a locamotive going down the road. Not only that, but because of it's angular shape, the sheetmetal would shake and rattle going down the road just from the wind aspect, let-alone the vibrations that occur while driving. This would ( and I'm assuming here) make the rivited connections fail in time due to stress. And I'm guessing it wouldn't be the rivets or the sheetmetal cracking either, it would be the stock body components you're attatched to.

Just a few notions to consider......

[Eh_nigma]

Thats too much. It's close to what we would do for aircraft, but, on aircraft, white is white, red is red, and so on... no real attention given to matching it up too closely. On a car, especially to show it, it's much to much work...

[Eh_nigma]

On the underside of the car, just infront of the rear tire about 6 or 7 inches from the side edge of the car, there is a black 'rod' (about 3/4" in diameter). Can this be bent upward to meet with the floor, or say 1/2" away? And what exactly is it?

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I don't think it's a good idea to bend a rod that's on your car from the factory, especially if you don't know what it is. It might be connected to the canuter valve.

[Youngblood77]

Originally posted by AlbinoMonkeyRat@Dec 22 2004, 07:34 PM
It might be connected to the canuter valve.
aaaaah hahaha you wiseass. :lol:

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

gotta love the tricks that my risk intervention teacher taught me. :lol:

[Eh_nigma]

Its flexible, just looks like the heat-shrink is think around it... I'm sure if someone looked in that area they would see it, it's the only one there...

[Eh_nigma]

I changed the headlights to the clear corners (and am also waiting in anticipation for those Halo's :D ). It looks great, and was s**t simple too! I'll try and get some pics up soon.. or wait till the Halo's are done.

As for the exaust, it's being a pain in the butt, cause of the weather... it's a slow-going project, but hopefully will be done soon.

The only thing left is waiting for those speedhut overlays, and that'll sum up the Christmas vacation.

With the overlays, has anyone gotten the polished/brushed aluminum overlays? Any tips on that specific kind (mainly cleaning fingerprints and grime off of them... is it safe to wipe them?)

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

That "Cherry Red" that Olds used for the last Alero's... is there a paint # or easy access to a sample I could use as a ref?

[sound_xtreme]

sheet metal sides would be easy long as ya got the proper tools.

[Eh_nigma]

for some parts, yes... but for larger parts, looking at it in the long run... there's just too many problems that go along with them.

[Eh_nigma]

:angry: DAMMIT this project isn't easy! :angry: <_< *groan*... SOOO many ideas that needa be looked into and followed through, but just keep coming into one problem after another... although some progress is being made... not at the tempo I was hoping for... I need 6 months leave from the military, not 17 days... :D Oh well, there's my little vent... now where did that 2-6 run off to... *gone searching*

[Eh_nigma]

Okay... progress... seats on order... still haven't found the 2-6

[Eh_nigma]

It was a little cold on the drive back last night... when we pulled in at 4 AM, the car was completely covered like this...

This is a two part pic though - just cleared the corners on the headlights too... still waiting for the Halo's though..

[Eh_nigma]

Well, came home for the weekend... *24 hours without anything to bug me*. I've got both the speedhut guages and Anderbra's Halo's to put in, so, I'll be pretty busy tomorrow. Hoping to get both done, and some pictures up here. First things first though, going to sleep before I tackle the guages.

[Oldsman]

car sure looks cold.

[Eh_nigma]

Well, as an update to this thread *talk about bringing up the dead* here's what's going on...

1. The exhaust is being fabricated today. The pieces are cut and bent, and when I get rid of this hangover I will be welding it. It's 1/16" stainless steel triangle at the end, a cherry bomb "muffler" replacing the old straight through muffler... and still keeping the original resonator.

2. Interior's coming along. The car is completely gutted as I type... the central part where the arm rest was, well, that's all exposed, primed and painted red. The e-brake, well, I'm trying to get rid of the handle and replace it with an electric servo, if this doesn't work, then I'll use the handle, and put it in a black bag. Fire extinguisher was added as well. The interior will keep the dark gray colour to it, but the tan is being changed to black, along with red/chrome trim all through out the car. The floor will be replaced with dyna-mat, and shaped in fiber-glass.

3. The seats are still a question. I have two Sparco Fighter seats with one 6 pt. harness and one 4 pt. harness are sitting in my basement. Reason being, is I found a guy who races 1/4 mile dragsters. The one thing I learned is that his seats are replaced after each race. If they work, I'll pick up two for $500 bucks (that's 2 seats and 2 harnesses), and return the sparco's and get my $1500 back.

4. The fuel cap idea is on hold until I start working on the body.

5. The APC steering wheel I picked up is on hold until I can get the car driving again, and then I'll find the right adaptor, or fabricate one.

I should have pictures of the ongoing project up today... as I shake my fist at my digital camera...

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

Okay, Pictures... first one is the car how it sits right now. The next are self explanitory, and the final one shows the sheet of 1/8" h.aluminum that I will be shaping into the exhaust "face" panel, and roughly where it will be mounted. More pics later.

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

...and the last one...

[2fst4u]

keep the pics comin buddy, you're in deep. there's no turning back now. you may surprise everyone.

[Eh_nigma]

Oh it's coming along... repainting the instruments again... but the whole console is going to be redone down the road... there's always something more to do... but the end isn't too far off...

[majicmike954]

:wtf:


C'mon guys thats gotta be worst then my yellow! :cool:



Na, just j/k keep it up

[Oldsmopimp]

hey I got respect for anyone doin some custom work. Keep it up man, Its nice to see somthin diffrent around here!

[jackal2000]

lovin the cig lighter :thumb:

[Eh_nigma]

Thanks for the support! I'm going to look into getting a sound recording for the exhaust... *crossing my fingers*

-and that cig lighter, yeah... saw it, thought of the old bike, had to put it in.

[StockAlero00]

Hmm, you really have some ambition over there EJ. Glad to know you are not jumping on the bandwagon. That you are actually looking to set your car aside from everyone else. The exhaust looks strange sticking out from the side like that. Probably cause i'm not use to it. When you post pictures, make sure you are in there as well, because if by any reason the car doesn't look good, least there will be a good looking guy in the pictures, the females can drool over.

[Eh_nigma]

^don't say that too often, it'll go straight to my head ;) Thanks though.

As a quick update... doing the final-final touches on the shield over the exhaust... finish it tonight, pictures tomorrow...

[pawzbear]

Hehe, i agree with ya fully there, stock.

[StockAlero00]

Hmmm mmm and yeah make sure u are wearing your cowboy hat.

[Eh_nigma]

:blink:

Should I strike a pose?

[StockAlero00]

Lol.. let's go back on topic, any updates on the ho'.

[Eh_nigma]

Yes, good call. Pictures will be up tonight of the completed exhaust. Looking into getting a good quality sound clip in too.

[Eh_nigma]

Pictures of the exhaust... keep in mind, this is the first bit of bodywork done towards the goal of a NASCAR look to the exterior.

First off, sorry for the poor quality... bad light, not so good camera... anyway... [attachmentid=7986]

The Side profile... the old running board is only temporary. The tip of it however was shaped to fit, and the end rounded and smoothed out.

[attachmentid=7987]
The "silver part" on the face-plate will gain the look desired as I drive more... for now, it's just bright and shiney.
[attachmentid=7988]
[attachmentid=7989]

Well folks, lemme know what you think... *again, a NASCAR look*

[Crolero]

looks good eh. Are you running duals? One more thing, wont the tires get hotter with the exhaust almost on top of them...?

[Eh_nigma]

It's a straight pipe...

Engine > Headers > stock piece with the catty > straight through exhaust > 45 degree bend > 1/8" stainless steel triangular "box" > face-plate... everything past the collar under the car is custom.

The force of the exhaust coming out blows past the tire. With both this and the old exhaust, the rim was never dirty due to gasses expelled. In the Winter time it's very easy to see it blowing out and past the tire.

Thanks by the way.

As a further note... like mentioned, the running boards are only temp. When the rest of the body kit comes on, the 8 inches infront of that face plate will remain open (car jack location, to lift one side of the car with one jack). Ground clearance is roughly 4 inches... and yes, bigger tires will be going on...

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

looks good so far! one piece of criticism for the stickers....if it's going to be a "Nascar" alero, try lining those things up on the front edge of the door. :thumb:

[ptrudel]

geezus that's gotta be loud....i like it!! :alcoholic:



^must be the norhtern ontario/northern canada comin out of me there :emotlol:

[Eh_nigma]

Originally posted by AlbinoMonkeyRat@Jul 29 2005, 08:32 AM
one piece of criticism for the stickers....if it's going to be a "Nascar" alero, try lining those things up on the front edge of the door.
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Oh definately! Yeah, those stickers are from previous days... They'll pretty much be there until the body kit comes on. Slowly the collection of sponsor decals is growing...

[Eh_nigma]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@Jul 29 2005, 10:04 AM
geezus that's gotta be loud....i like it!! :alcoholic:
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Yeah, it definately doesn't sound like a 2.2L :banana: It's loud, not too loud... but it's very deep and low. I'll do my best to get a sound clip in for y'all

[StockAlero00]

looks different, but i like it.

[seed_o]

Looking good so far. It's nice to see something original. I'm looking forward to further updates/pics. Keep up the good work! :thumb:

[Eh_nigma]

Thanks guys. Sometime next week I'll get some pics up of what I've managed to do inside (Ie., door panels, guages, steering wheel, etc., etc., etc...). Anywho, Long Weekend Camping for this guy... you all take care...

[StockAlero00]

Don't forget to strike a pose!!

[Eh_nigma]

Will do...

[majicmike954]

lets here that sound clip :beerchug:

[smlzalero]

Ok, I could very well be retarded... but it looks in these last pics like you put a metal plate over your exhaust... :blink: ....

I thought I knew what you meant by the NASCAR look... apparently I was confused... and I still am....

Aside.. I had no idea you were working on this project, Eh, it sounds killer :thumb:

[Eh_nigma]

Well, here's a pic from a NASCAR in the setup they have for exhuast... sorry, the best pic I could find... [attachmentid=8013]

This shows a side profile of how the exhaust sits. Each team has their "own" design, and depending on the race/engine set up, the exhaust can be driver side only, pass side only, on both sides, could have 4 openings on a side, or 3, or a combination of 2 per side... it varies a lot. But yes, hope this clears things up a bit smlz.

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

Originally posted by majicmike954@Jul 31 2005, 11:22 PM
lets here that sound clip
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I've got the sound clip recorded on my mp3 player... what would I need to do to get it up as either a file or a link for you all to give it a listen to?

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

Originally posted by Eh_nigma+Aug 1 2005, 02:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eh_nigma @ Aug 1 2005, 02:50 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-majicmike954@Jul 31 2005, 11:22 PM
lets here that sound clip
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I've got the sound clip recorded on my mp3 player... what would I need to do to get it up as either a file or a link for you all to give it a listen to?
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you need a host. I use www.yousendit.com to host big files for temporary usage (30 DL's or 7 days, whichever comes first) others might suggest their preferences. :thumb:

[smlzalero]

Originally posted by Eh_nigma@Aug 1 2005, 01:23 PM
Well, here's a pic from a NASCAR in the setup they have for exhuast... sorry, the best pic I could find... [attachmentid=8013]

This shows a side profile of how the exhaust sits. Each team has their "own" design, and depending on the race/engine set up, the exhaust can be driver side only, pass side only, on both sides, could have 4 openings on a side, or 3, or a combination of 2 per side... it varies a lot. But yes, hope this clears things up a bit smlz.

Ej.
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Ok, I get it... however.. I see no exhaust outlets on yours.. just a solid metal platehttp://www.eztechhelp.com/style_emoticons/default/dontgetit.gif... what am I missing?

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

sarah, look at the 3rd pic in that post. the exhaust is easier to see in that one.

[smlzalero]

Is it like the one in the NASCAR pic and I just can't see it? If that's the case, I'll just have to simmer in anticipation of the next set of pics, lol.

[Eh_nigma]

Smlz,

There is an 18" x 2" opening with four sections inside, I'll take a better picture in better light soon, should show it better (the last pic I posted of the car shows it slightly... again, sorry for the poor photo quality).

[smlzalero]

holy crap are you having 4 pipes??

[Eh_nigma]

No, not 4 pipes... it comes from a central pipe, and inside the triangular stainless steel box there are three "ribs" that split the airflow into 4 openings. I wish I had 4 pipes :P

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

1 pipe per cylinder! easy flow!

[Eh_nigma]

for a 2.2, the weight added by each individual pipe and accessories... leaves me saying NUTS!! Would look interesting though...

The thought did cross my mind to have dual on both sides... but yea-no... there's not enough room... and seeing a Mustang with 2" pipes, one sticking out each side... kinda left me laughing...

[Eh_nigma]

Hokay... quick pic that will show a little better the setup I've got going on. Excuse the dirty dirty 'Ho... too busy to clean the car lately.

[smlzalero]

OH, Ok! Yeah it looked like you just slapped sheet metal over the pipes, lol!

So are the rivety things staying or what? ANd is that going to be painted to match the car?

[pimpnalero99]

u gonna take that thing to daytona when you're finished?

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

Originally posted by smlzalero@Aug 1 2005, 08:45 PM
OH, Ok! Yeah it looked like you just slapped sheet metal over the pipes, lol!

So are the rivety things staying or what? ANd is that going to be painted to match the car?
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the Nascar look is all about a looking like a rugged race car, so I doubt the "rivety things" (they ARE rivets!) would be removed, nor would he worry about the paint. :cool:

[Eh_nigma]

Exactly... I still need to put on two more screws, and fix the rivet on the right side. It wont be painted to match the car. With time the gloss around the opening will fade to a flatter shade of black. The car will have a combination of black, silver, and red on the exterior...

As for Daytona... haha... we'll have to wait until it's finished. So far though, that's the only body work that's going to be done for a while... until I get another long vacation. The interior will be finished up this week, and pics (along with a sound clip) around Friday/Saturday.

Thanks again for the support guys and gals. Much appreciated.

[smlzalero]

ok, I see. I'm the opposite, I hate that kinda crap, lol :P

So what's the main color of the car gonna be? (since I notice green isn't one of the colors you'll be using)

[Eh_nigma]

Well, The main colour's going to be black... with large amounts of red and silver. Add the sponsor decals, the number (02), and "OLDSkool Custom" as the main sponsor name, and a few other small things, and yeah, that's the basic idea.

[Eh_nigma]

Sound clip is up... 59 seconds of various clips put together. Includes start up, driving up the curb onto the driveway, shut down, and driving around from various distances. No rev's though... I tried it but it ended up damaging the mic... oops... Anyway, enjoy...

ps. don't mind the birds in the background...


Exhaust Sound Clip (http://www.savefile.com/files/4512211)

[Eh_nigma]

Way too much painting goin on today - my eyes feel like they're gonna bleed. But, should have pics done today, and the whole sha-bang of what I wanted to do will be done either tonight (pending drinking), or tomorrow morning.

Whoever said you can't smoke while painting was dead wrong...

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

painting and smoking don't mix....with dumb people. obviously you were careful. :thumb:

[Eh_nigma]

Best pic I can come up with tonight... really doens't show the extent of what I did, but it was taken while going to the bar as a DD t'night. Night was cut short... have to pack now to head back to the base... but yes... enjoy...

The central vent isn't painted fully red/silver yet... ran out of time :angry: but, this is pretty much it until I get another chance to work at it again.

But, I did manage to change the e-break from the old style we have, to a new servo (mounted behind the drivers seat)... the break now activates with the push of a button. Legal? Oh, I don't know... about as legal as not having an airbag now, but yeah, we can all tell how much that bothers me right... :biggrin:

The light tan around the glove box and the glove compartment itself are painted black, the pillars are painted black as well as the weather stripping. Door panels are black with the red "leather" over the material pad, and all the plastic pieces are red. The stick shift has a black bag over it, and I'm leaving the central part exposed. In the spot where the old e-break was, there will be mounted a switch board for interior lights (soon) and the e-break. Starter switches will be mounted over head.

So that's pretty much it for now, for a while. Going back to Shilo, so I don't know when I'll be online again. Either way, you all take care. Thanks for the support and words of encouragement. Keep up the site, keep yourselves safe, and I hope I'll talk to you all soon.

Ej.

[StockAlero00]

isn't the outside of your alero green? I dont know if i like the red/grey interior with the green alero. A nice dark metallic green would have looked nice, with a black dash, or creme. AWesome Tattoos though!!

[StockAlero00]

the exhaust definatly looks different, but if that's what ej wants to accomplish more power to him. maybe he might put everyone into their places, when he's done with everything.

[bigmikerlo]

what are you doing to your car...nothing? okay. If you have nothing good to say, shut your trap.


Ill be posting my pics this week seeing the cars got out of paint yesterday so i believe i did do somthing, its called constructive critism if you post pics you open yourself up to opions. Sorry you cant take opions that dont say awwww its so nice, but if you want me to say that AWWWWW...Its so nice.

[mrmike]

'ugly as all hell' and 'good way to ruin a nice car' are examples of insults, not constructive criticism. You shouldn't have said anything at all because it didn't add anything relevent to the conversation.

:gun: people who try to start a flame war in a 7 page topic

Besides, if you only did things that everyone liked, then you would just be a poser/sellout/wannabe who follows mindless and meaningless trends. His is an original idea, so let him be! I hope he fiberglasses over his headlights just to piss off the haters!

[ptrudel]

lay off the insults, and get back on topic please

[RoninKouga]

wow thats a sound !! WOW

ure very good making ur mods man.

[Cyber Knight]

That is a very nice sounding exhaust, keep up the good and original work :thumb:

[Molson]

Keep up the good work, can't wait to see it when it's done.

[StockAlero00]

Out of curiosity, if nascar can have their exhausts coming out from the sides, and no one calls that stupid, then why if a guy with an alero decides to re-route his exhaust to come out of the side, it's gay or stupid?

[Pimpalero03]

a monte guy did it. i like it. he is gonna put on the razzi body kit and cut out a spot for it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/quickmallek/scan.jpg

[Eh_nigma]

Hey all... Well, got my internet (as one can see) out in Shilo. Thanks for the input and the support. First off, reading the last few posts here... I never had the intent of impressing people or trying to win everyone over with what I'm doing to my Alero. I am "rebuilding" a car that I enjoyed as a stock vehicle, into something I would want. This is a hobby we all share, and we all put in our own input, blood sweat and tears (not to mention wallets) into it. The great thing about this hobby is that no one creation is the same as another.

We all have our opinions. I value mature criticism. Ie., "those panels look great" or "the idea isn't a great one", perhaps even "I wouldn't do it myself... but if I could offer advice"... anything, whether good bad or null, I'll listen to and appreciate someone taking the time to make a comment. If someone does mention something negative, I'll listen to it - it offers a different point of view that gives me the chance to perhaps change things around a bit using their insight. However, people that simply throw insults, or drop an f-bomb, I don't waste my time.

What I really like about this NASCAR path I'm going down with the Alero, is that it hasn't been done. Every step of the way, every idea, every thing on it, presents it's own set of challenges. It's not easy, and that's a great part of this! What's common to hear though is "it can't be done" or something along those lines... it's simply motivation to keep on goin.

So, to sum this up... thank you to those who have given me feedback - those that support me, those that encourage me, and those who use the right to voice their opinions whether they like this or not. To those that simply toss insults, I'm not playing a game of throwing them back. There's no point to it.

I love this forum for the maturity and collective knowledge we share. Each person brings to the table a different point of view, a different set of likes and dislikes on vehicles, but the best part is that we all share the same common interest and hobby - working on our Alero's (except for Swat, who's only Alero's come from his paintshop program... just kidding). That's my two cents.

Anywho, back to work for this guy.

[ptrudel]

very well said man...and now, for that soundclip...rev it up a lil...i wanna hear it at over 4k...and just to clarify, its not gonna hurt nothin...trust me....i know others will say it does, but thats why theres a rev limiter...

[StockAlero00]

Very well said! :wub:

[Eh_nigma]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@Aug 11 2005, 12:07 PM
very well said man...and now, for that soundclip...rev it up a lil...i wanna hear it at over 4k...and just to clarify, its not gonna hurt nothin...trust me....i know others will say it does, but thats why theres a rev limiter...
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Thanks boss. Unfortunately for the sound clip, it's going to have to wait until I get my butt back home and get my gear going again. But I'll do it as soon as possible.

The plan for my next trip is to install the guages and switchboards inside... and work more on the interior. I'm waiting until the spring to start working on the body - that should be a world of fun :glare:


And thanks again for all the support from the guy's and gal's here.

[bluephoAm]

Looks and sounds great, dude. :thumb:

[Eh_nigma]

Thanks!

Speaking of sound... picked up the new line of Infinity speakers (2 3", 2 6", 2 6x9's, and 2 12" subs). Great deal on them too... I've got an ex. coming up soon though, so I'll be getting the deck and amp's when I get back in November and getting it all put in...

Then put in the seats... finish up the instruments... and oh my goodness... winter time! Gah...

[Eh_nigma]

Called buddy that I was ordering the instruments from... they're in!!! Picking them up next weekend:

Tach, Speedo, Voltmeter, Fuel Level, Oil Temp, Water Temp, Cyl Head Temp, Tranny Temp, Exhaust Temp, Fuel Pressure, Oil Pressure... oh this is going to be fun...

[smlzalero]

Which cherry bomb muffler is that you got on it?

[Eh_nigma]

I don't understand... My cherry bomb is just your standard 2.5 inch cherry bomb from Part Source... 34 bucks but picked up for 27

[smlzalero]

er... there's all different types & sizes & shapes of cherry bomb mufflers.... or are you talking about something else...?

[Eh_nigma]

PartSource Part Number 50251 Cherry Bomb muffler (2.25 inch... not the 2.5 like I thought before). High Performance, Straight Through Glass Packed muffler. Hope this helps

[Daytona]

Originally posted by StockAlero00@Aug 10 2005, 10:19 PM
Out of curiosity, if nascar can have their exhausts coming out from the sides, and no one calls that stupid, then why if a guy with an alero decides to re-route his exhaust to come out of the side, it's gay or stupid?
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I agree! And, Eh_nigma, good luck with the mods. I, for one, think what you're doing is a great original attempt and I can't wait to see the final output! :thumb:

Once it's done NASCAR-style are you going to put a number on the side and get your signature done in vinyl script on the roof rails? (I'm being totally serious with this question.)

[Eh_nigma]

Thanks! And as for your question Daytona, I'll be totally serious with the answer... Yes! The number is 02 (for a number of reasons). All the "sponsors" will be those who have helped me out (whether in parts, work, so on). The actual "Team" for the car is OLDSkool Custom. Colours will be black/red/silver...

[Daytona]

Sweet! Back in '94 I did some work for a NASCAR Busch team (Randy MacDonald) and helped with the graphics on the car and the press kits because the driver/owner had a vinyl machine.

Pitted next to Earnhardt & Irvin and nose-to-nose with Waltrip in the garage at Daytona and got to work as pit crew there, too, though we had too many guys over the wall and I ended up having to stay back handling refilling of the gas cans at the pump and working with the Hoosier tire reps on our tires (we were one of only 5 teams running Hoosiers that race when they just came out).

[Eh_nigma]

I would kill for an opertunity like that! I guess I know who to go to when I need to come up with a paint scheme eh?

[Daytona]

Yep. :thumb:

[Eh_nigma]

The biggest problem I'm going to run into is Rims. The "D" cut rims that are available for RWD's aren't a problem to find. FWD rims that fit even close to that pattern, are near impossible to locate. 15 or 16" rims are all I'm looking for... any ideas where one might be able to find them?

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

lol...the closest I could find are victorywheels.com
they're not even really Nascar-style though. They just have Nascar emblems and logos all over.

[Molson]

try here:

http://www.bartwheel.com/stocksw.htm
http://www.bartwheel.com/econsw.htm

[Eh_nigma]

Molson - You are a GOD SEND!!! Thanks Boss... gave the company a call, it didn't work, so I called the nearest dealer... and yes, they have a rim that will work... the best part is... the rims are cheaper than the shipping... *let's see... a set of street wheels, with a set of slicks...*

The main reason I said that the rims are the hardest part... was that before I could size up the body kit (for ground clearance) I needed to know how the car sits on the set of tires that were to be used... now that this is taken care of, I'm laughing... thanks again!

[Justy311]

been watching this for a while. I wish you luck on this man, been an enjoyable read. Hope to see it when its all done! Have fun

[Eh_nigma]

Thanks Boss!

[ptrudel]

any updates man?

[kwhauck]

woah deja vu.........i just searched and was reviewing this thread as well^^^^^

[kwhauck]

oh and eh_nigma what steering wheel adapter did you use with the steering wheel (grant challenger 414 from what i can tell) I am looking at the same wheel on polished silver (challenger 415) due to its similarities to the 442 steering wheels......

[Eh_nigma]

It was a combination of the above mentioned adaptor. However, to get the whole thing to work how I wanted (it is now a removable wheel), I used the center mount from the original wheel by cutting it off and screwing it inside the adaptor.

The central cap on the new wheel is left off, instead there is a "twist-lock" and as for the 5 screws that held the wheel in place, they were replaced with pegs. To remove the wheel, all that is needed is to lift a tab, two turns, and a strong pull and the wheel comes off (the adaptor).

As for other updates, things have recently been put on hold. I just returned from a 10 day exercise, and on Tuesday I leave for a 2-3 month exercise. As well, there is a strong chance I'll be going to Afghanistan in February... but I wont know until closer to Christmas.

I have redesigned (on paper) the main instrument cluster, as well as a few other minor things... but I'll let you all know how the project is going when I get back into the swing of things... soon I hope.

[Daytona]

Don't try to do too much now before you go. If you really are going to get deployed, take your time and enjoy being stateside.

[b-spot]

Originally posted by Daytona@Sep 15 2005, 11:59 AM
Don't try to do too much now before you go. If you really are going to get deployed, take your time and enjoy being stateside.
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He's Canadain.

We stay provinceside.

Dumbass :lol:

[King Asoka]

^ROFLMAO

Provinceside!!!

oh and still cant wait to see the finished product. Its going to be one hell of an original HO!

[Eh_nigma]

Hahahaha.... Provinceside... rich... thanks guys... it is coming along bit by bit... should have some good pics by the Decemberish...

[Eh_nigma]

The steering wheel project is done finally! I'll have a few detailed pictures up hopefully by the end of the week.

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by Eh_nigma@Sep 19 2005, 08:18 AM
The steering wheel project is done finally! I'll have a few detailed pictures up hopefully by the end of the week.
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looking forward to it! :beerchug:

[Matthewfinlay04]

Eh_nigma,

love what you have done so far

[Matthewfinlay04]

Eh_nigma, where did you get your instrument cluster at? and what was the part number for it?

[pimpnalero99]

any more updated pix?

[StockAlero00]

update update update.... we want updated pictures!!!

[bu01]

updated pictures!!!

[jackal2000]

i think he is gone on that 2-3 month exercise now

[Hpkittedalero]

anytime.. lol

:)

[Eh_nigma]

Hey all! Well, the first part of the ex went well... back until the 9th. Went cruisin with the Ho all night last night and today... she's running good, and my livers trying to run away as we speak... anywho, the pics of the steering wheel will be up by the end of THIS week... as well, I'm about to start throwing in the sound system anytime now...

A quick question though - has anyone got any information on custom steel rims? Not aluminum, but steel...

Ej.

[alero35b]

why wouldn't you use powder-coated aluminum wheels to save on weight? or why not just use the stock 15" black steel rims that come on the plain jane aleros.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

Originally posted by alero35b@Oct 27 2005, 02:48 AM
why wouldn't you use powder-coated aluminum wheels to save on weight? or why not just use the stock 15" black steel rims that come on the plain jane aleros.
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for the NASCAR look, dude. FWD steelies really don't look like Nascar wheels.

[FormulaNERD]

i have a link for custom steelies, any specs you want, polished lips, etc. i'll find it.

[Eh_nigma]

BUSTED! The idea behind the removable aspect of the wheel is temporarily crossed off the list... as I was working on it, I got seen by an officer riding a bike... off duty, sure... but he came to take a look at it and, well... no fine, but, well, dang. And I was having such a good weekend .

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

well, when you get your racing seats, get them scotchguarded so that you can still stand up on the seat when you get out of the car through the window. :P

[Eh_nigma]

Oh, it shall be done. Has anyone used the carbon fiber hood available for the Alero? If so, how hard would it be to drill in 4 holes in the front for hood pins? Any advice on how to do this?

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by Eh_nigma@Nov 3 2005, 10:36 PM
Oh, it shall be done. Has anyone used the carbon fiber hood available for the Alero? If so, how hard would it be to drill in 4 holes in the front for hood pins? Any advice on how to do this?
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i drilled in two holes for hood pins on my old OEM style carbon fiber hood with no problems......

[Eh_nigma]

Excellent... what about certain things like throwing rivets through the hood? And cutting into it to add hood flaps near the rear edge of the hood? Do-able?

[aleroboss]

you should put the flaps that pop up when you go in reverse.

[Molson]

that is what he is talking about.

[Eh_nigma]

Took the words right out of my mouth...

Is there a site anywhere to get schematic images similar to what GM can provide about various parts of the Alero? The plan is to remake some schematics to match up with the "upgrades" I have put into my Ho. Make for easier explainations of what is done and how to do it/repair it...

Also... going back to Wainwright on Friday until the 30th... GAH! Will this mad insanity ever stop?

[Eh_nigma]

Need a bit of advice...

I got a pair of rubber, only because it was as steal of a deal... and I was planning on using these two for rear tires:

275-60-15, using a rim size of 15 x 9 (at the least, 15 x 8.5).

Now it's not a question of will they fit... as they will, and give the exact look inside the wheel well that I would want. However, is there any way to minimize the chance of them rubbing the edge of the wheel well?

As for the fronts: 215-70-15, 15x7. Will a 15 x 7.5 size rim work for the front?

[Eh_nigma]

Scratch last about using the rear tires... right now my crew and I are working on how to get more room near the rear struts...

[ptrudel]

on the fronts with the right offset you can go up to an 8" wide i think...maybe more but i'm not sure

[Eh_nigma]

Ahhhh... a fellow Leafs Fan

As for the tire situation, I'm pretty much beginning to get a little frustrated. The issue I have with getting the proper rims that will work on a FWD to get the NASCAR look has become the biggest headache of the whole project. I have found a couple of leads that could help, however, for the time being, I'm moving onto the interior and am going to finish that up prior to going any further.

Whoever said Custom comes in a box was smokin' something strong... but, that's half the fun... right? RIGHT?!

Ej.

[SweetNLow]

:Noooo:

[Eh_nigma]

Hey all. Well, I've got some good news and some better news. Good news being that I found out recently that I'll be going overseas (although not until August). The better news, is that with the money I will be saving up from tour, I'll be more then financially ready to get the Alero project finished up.

Basically, from now until then, I'm going to be sitting over the drawing board (literally), and planning out with greater detail how I want the interior and exterior to look. My main focus right now is the interior (sound system, box, fiberglass, roll cage, seats, etc., etc., etc...). SO! Thought I'd toss that in...

Ej.

[Eh_nigma]

Hey All, and happy New Year to you all.

As an update to my NASCAR project, it's split now two way. The Alero is still being worked on. In the next months the interior will be started and hopefully finished prior to going overseas in August. All the components are bought, and now it's a matter of speaker wire, and fiberglassing the interior. Plans are also being layed out as to what to do with the engine compartment (Ie., what's moving where, what's staying, new parts and so forth).
As a side project, myself and another friend have began to lay out plans on building a NASCAR from scratch (but street legal).

As for plans for this new year, hopefully the groundwork for "OLDSkool Custom" will be layed out and early 2007 it will take birth. Didn't realize starting up your own shop takes so much.

But yes, best wishes to you all in 2006,

Ej.

[eag182]

hows bout some pics?

[Eh_nigma]

Right now my car's packed full of my gear (getting ready to head back to the base after vacation). But, most definately, once we start having a little fun in the back of the car... (with fiberglassing that is), for sure.

One of the ideas that I think might get a good response has to do with the 6x9's on the back deck. I'm going to cut into the deck where the speakers sit, and tilt them forward about 45 degrees, reweld it in there.

On the other hand, showing how I managed to fit a 6 cu.ft. box for the subs in there, that's also going to get some response...

[S_Gibson]

Good luck man. By the time you get it done the 2007 package will be in use with the ugly new front end NASCAR is planing. http://www.rubbins-racin.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27297

When you get ready to paint it take a hike over to to www.rubbins-racin.com and hit up someone on the 2003 Racing Season forum to throw something together for you. http://www.rubbins-racin.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20 Our site is for the PC racing game papyrus did and the main focus of the site is NASCAR racing. Many of us live in the Winston Salem and Charlotte area and although they will be hard to pick out for obvious reasons there are several NASCAR drivers that frequent the board. Some of the guys that visit the forums have done schemes for some local drivers as well as some USAR Pro Cup drivers.

You picked a tough car to apply a NASCAR theme to. I wish you the best. You might find rims to fit the theme, but the center will have to set out farther from the inside of the rim. The bottom wraps in quite a bit also, but for the theme it should not matter.

I'd say you are running pretty good for the old "How bad have you got it?" commercials, but just for kicks here is a picture of me at a friends house in his "RACING Simulator". The seat is a BGN Butler seat from a #21 Rockwell Automation car from a wreck Mike Dillon had at Texas. The frame is from a #31 Lowes car Mike Skinner wrecked at one of the superspeedways, and the sheet metal is from a Tally car Robby Gordon finished a race without wrecking. It has the removable wheel and window net w/ a 64 bit AMD under the hood. You have to bring your own HANS device to play this game :)

http://www.rubbins-racin.com/member_ftp/sgibson/2_1041802116.jpg

Good luck man. I'm as interested as many others here to see what this turns out like. Personaly I think I'd have bought a Monte or old Lumina and started with that. I preferred the '80, so an old Monte Carlo SS or Thunderbird Supercoupe would suit me.

[Eh_nigma]

WOW! Thank you for that great post!

I will definately be keeping in touch and sending updates once the second project starts. As for the Alero... what you said about the wheels (rims) is very true. To date, I still haven't been able to find rims that would work and I'm beginning to think that I will need to find someone who can make them specifically for this car. It has been a slight headache, but it's not an impossible task.

Once this is done, my best friend and I are going to pile into the Alero for a bit of a road trip, down to a superspeedway to take in a NASCAR race. Problem being up here in Canada (and not to knock on CASCAR), but there is very little available for a die-hard NASCAR fan. All in good time though,

Thanks again!

[El Pablo]

good luck dood cant wait to see what it looks like

[Eh_nigma]

So, there I was, walking into my favorite pub here in Brandon, when something literally stops me dead in my tracks. I can't believe it. I literally dropped my drink *yes, I know, not in the pub yet, but that hardly stops the drinking*... anywho, back to the story at hand...

Walking over slowly, sure enough, it's the old Catapillar NASCAR used at last seasons Road Course. With a dash of lightning quick speed, I run across the street, grab two disposibly cameras, and proceded to take about 45 pictures inside and out of this NASCAR... all was fine and dandy until the owner came around the corner, seeing me with my tape measure, camera, and a bit of drool coming down my mouth. That wasn't a pretty site.

Anyway, lots of great ideas for the Alero are flowing from these pictures, as well as for the upcoming NASCAR project itself. Talk about Pubs coming to the rescue!

[elitecloud]

did he kill you or did you explain the situation?

[Eh_nigma]

I think that if I were just someone looking at the car, then it would be okay... but once he saw the camera, tape measure, and opening the hood, trunk, etc., etc., etc.... I don't think he knew what to make of it... so he threw a mini-tantrum... not bad for a 50+ y/o man.

[El Pablo]

LMFAO thats awesome

[derek_ski99]

opened the hood, trunk, measured....


...damn dude should have just rubbed the wires and taken the thing haha


Would have been sitting here posting Project Olds Nascar completed instead (would have fooled 90% of the people on here haha)
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[Eh_nigma]

Hahaha... and the funny thing is, you're not the first one to ponder the thought that I would try something like that... *rubbing the wires that is*

As for the project, it's going along little by little... but being as busy as work is right now, not much of a chance to get things done. I have however built the starter box (just the metal construction), got the switches and wiring done on it... but it's not yet mounted. Still trying to figure out how I will wire it exactly. I'm thinking thats what I'll be doing this weekend.

The ironic thing being that over the weekend I had my keys lifted (among other things)... so I'm paying for a new key, and in less than a week, I'll never be using it again...

[Eh_nigma]

Starter Box is in. It's composed of three main components:

Starter Box (mountec slightly left of center above the rear view mirror). Three switches - Aux., On, and a momentary starter switch.

Bypass Box (couldn't come up with a better name). contains the wires used to connect from the connections in the original ignition, to the starter box. It's located inside where the old key-ignition used to be in the dash.

Original Starter - now located under the dash, under the stearing wheel column. It is set to the "ON" position using the old key. This is more of a 'safety'. Ie., if the car is being left somewhere for any period of time, it is switched to the "Off" position, key removed. Otherwise it's on.

I'm not going to get into how much of a PITA it was to get it all done, but finally it's done. Next thing (after the interior) is to shave the door handles. Tons of fun :)

But, it works! And I will have pictures posted as soon as I fix up the hole in the dash, and make a fiberglass cover over the box (for asthetic purposes only).